NFL Conference Championship Games Discussion

[Hurst2112]

Ed Reed who????

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

...the Clippers and/or Maple Leafs have to be getting theirs soon.

Let's not get carried away.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by stevew

So. I wonder how many years in jail Tank Carter is going to risk to go to this super bowl. Assuming he got out.

Sure, Troy's int return was nice...but who makes the int that sealed the game??

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Sure, Troy's int return was nice...but who makes the int that sealed the game??

Pretty sure that was Polamalu.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Sure, Troy's int return was nice...but who makes the int that sealed the game??

If I ever win the lottery expect to see a Carter authentic heading your way.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Funny a Cowboys fan would use the word Choke, but I guess they are experts at watching something choke (Romo, the king of choke).... How long has it been since they've even won a playoff game?

How many Lombardi Trophies does the Eagles have again?

This shouldn't take too long.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by duckman

How many Lombardi Trophies does the Eagles have again?

This shouldn't take too long.

The Niners have 5, just like the Cowboys...but I'm not gonna start talking trash to fans of a team that actually did something positive this season, besides be the most annoying soap opera in sports.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by duckman

How many Lombardi Trophies does the Eagles have again?

This shouldn't take too long.

About as many Super Bowl appearences for Romo.

Seriously, isn't he the most overrated quarterback in this league right now?

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by stevew

If I ever win the lottery expect to see a Carter authentic heading your way.

He was on the post game with Bob Pompeani and Edmund Nelson. And they started bringing up the 2005 run.

I am pleading "PLEASE ASK HIM ABOUT TANK!!!!"....but no luck.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

I have this feeling on most games with Phil Simms but never more so than today. I get the feeling he and I are not watching the same game and he just learned the rules of football about half an hour before game time.

"If you're going to run on this Pittsburgh team, you either need to run inside near the center, or outside."

I think he was trying to say you don't want to go between the tackle and guard, although I'm not sure how much that really matters...

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by duckman

How many Lombardi Trophies does the Eagles have again?

This shouldn't take too long.

LOL!!

Love these well thought out, relevant retorts. In fact, you're probably still wearing that 15 year old boys medium Super Bowl t-shirt and your Zubaz right now, aren't you?

C'mon, if you're going to play the "we have more SBs" card the least you could do is provide us with a little comic relief.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

The Eagles are about to lose and it's all because McNabb can't hit wide open receivers.

And for every pass he misses one of his receivers drops one that hits them right in the hands.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Seriously, isn't he the most overrated quarterback in this league right now?

Yes, Romo is one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the league, but so is McNabb. Just like you can count on Romo throwing a pick or putting the ball on the turf at worst possible time, you can count McNabb overthrowing wide open receivers or even throwing the ball into the turf two yards from an open receiver when the Eagles need a big play. The only difference between the two is McNabb has had some playoff success while Romo has not.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

LOL!!

Love these well thought out, relevant retorts. In fact, you're probably still wearing that 15 year old boys medium Super Bowl t-shirt and your Zubaz right now, aren't you?

How did you know?

I had to cut out the sides to make fit. Hell, I still watch reruns of the Cowboys glory days because that'll be the only time I'll see them win anything again in my lifetime. Fuck you, Jerry Jones!

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

C'mon, if you're going to play the "we have more SBs" card the least you could do is provide us with a little comic relief.

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Sure, I can provide you with some. The Cardinals (yes, those Cardinals) just beat the Iggles for a shot a Lombardi Trophy.

I find it hysterical!

[Dr. Sak]

Romo has had 10 times better WR than McNabb has had in Romo's short little career.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by duckman

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Sure, I can provide you with some. The Cardinals (yes, those Cardinals) just beat the Iggles for a shot a Lombardi Trophy.

I find it hysterical!

Almost as funny as those same Eagles crushing the Cowboys when a playoff spot was on the line the last game of the year.

Maybe someday you can tell your kid about the Glory days when the Cowboys would actually win a playoff game.

[Dr. Sak]

I can't blame that game on McNabb. The defense was totally confused in the first half and when they needed the big stop at the end of the game they didn't come up with it.

McNabb missed some open receivers, and at the same time the receivers had some key drops. It was a total team effort loss, not just McNabb.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Almost as funny as those same Eagles crushing the Cowboys when a playoff spot was on the line the last game of the year.

Maybe someday you can tell your kid about the Glory days when the Cowboys would actually win a playoff game.

That just hurts, man.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by duckman

Yes, Romo is one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the league, but so is McNabb. Just like you can count on Romo throwing a pick or putting the ball on the turf at worst possible time, you can count McNabb overthrowing wide open receivers or even throwing the ball into the turf two yards from an open receiver when the Eagles need a big play. The only difference between the two is McNabb has had some playoff success while Romo has not.

Rothlesburger is 3rd on this list. If he wasn't so fucking huge and tough to bring down he'd be a mediocre QB in this league.

Anecdotally (not supported by any stats - although if someone wants to challenge me or back me up i'm listening) it seems to me that a high % of his completed passes, particularly his long passes, come when he's shrugged off an attempted sack and rolled out of the pocket. This gives his receivers time to shake the coverage a little more or get open. It also forces the defense to cover longer.

And I'm not saying you can't give him credit for that - sure you can give him credit for loading up on the donuts and being a lardass (and yes I'm sure he's in better shape than me despite probably weighing in the same neighborhood and isn't really a lardass, but it's my post so i can call him that if i want), but my point is that in terms of like "qb talent in a vacumn" or whatever you want to call it, in terms of pure skill, whatever, he isn't all that good.

If you said "throw a 50 yard pass down the sideline to the outside shoulder of this receiver with no pressure on you and just one DB running with the guy to be a body" I'd have more confidence in guys like Brady, Manning, Brees then I would in Big Ben.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Rothlesburger is 3rd on this list. If he wasn't so fucking huge and tough to bring down he'd be a mediocre QB in this league.

Anecdotally (not supported by any stats - although if someone wants to challenge me or back me up i'm listening) it seems to me that a high % of his completed passes, particularly his long passes, come when he's shrugged off an attempted sack and rolled out of the pocket. This gives his receivers time to shake the coverage a little more or get open. It also forces the defense to cover longer.

And I'm not saying you can't give him credit for that - sure you can give him credit for loading up on the donuts and being a lardass (and yes I'm sure he's in better shape than me despite probably weighing in the same neighborhood and isn't really a lardass, but it's my post so i can call him that if i want), but my point is that in terms of like "qb talent in a vacumn" or whatever you want to call it, in terms of pure skill, whatever, he isn't all that good.

If you said "throw a 50 yard pass down the sideline to the outside shoulder of this receiver with no pressure on you and just one DB running with the guy to be a body" I'd have more confidence in guys like Brady, Manning, Brees then I would in Big Ben.

You're just jealous.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Rothlesburger is 3rd on this list. If he wasn't so fucking huge and tough to bring down he'd be a mediocre QB in this league.

Anecdotally (not supported by any stats - although if someone wants to challenge me or back me up i'm listening) it seems to me that a high % of his completed passes, particularly his long passes, come when he's shrugged off an attempted sack and rolled out of the pocket. This gives his receivers time to shake the coverage a little more or get open. It also forces the defense to cover longer.

And I'm not saying you can't give him credit for that - sure you can give him credit for loading up on the donuts and being a lardass (and yes I'm sure he's in better shape than me despite probably weighing in the same neighborhood and isn't really a lardass, but it's my post so i can call him that if i want), but my point is that in terms of like "qb talent in a vacumn" or whatever you want to call it, in terms of pure skill, whatever, he isn't all that good.

If you said "throw a 50 yard pass down the sideline to the outside shoulder of this receiver with no pressure on you and just one DB running with the guy to be a body" I'd have more confidence in guys like Brady, Manning, Brees then I would in Big Ben.

You realize some of those are designed rollouts, right?
How many times have you seen where the QB gets no pressure AND has one-on-one coverage down the sideline. Multiple times a game?

Based on those arguments, I'll start my OL with Tony Mandarich and DL with Mike Mamula, cause they looked fantastic in non-game situations.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

I can't blame that game on McNabb. The defense was totally confused in the first half and when they needed the big stop at the end of the game they didn't come up with it.

McNabb missed some open receivers, and at the same time the receivers had some key drops. It was a total team effort loss, not just McNabb.

Yup, that loss yesterday should be placed squarely on our defense. History should not forget that the Eagles had a 25-24 lead before the defense let the Cards stroll 80-yards down the field for the game winning touchdown

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

You realize some of those are designed rollouts, right?
How many times have you seen where the QB gets no pressure AND has one-on-one coverage down the sideline. Multiple times a game?

Based on those arguments, I'll start my OL with Tony Mandarich and DL with Mike Mamula, cause they looked fantastic in non-game situations.

oh i realize there are designed rollouts in there.

and i was trying to use that example to get at "skills"

and i fully admit, i just don't think the guy is that good. that's my personal opinion. do i like him better than favre? yes. do I think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, like some of the announcers make him out to be? hell no.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

You're just jealous.

jealous? lol nope

[stevew]

I don't think Steeler fans are the ones trying to overrate big Ben. I still cringe every time he throws a pass. Ben will be lucky to last 10 years in the league because he's taken way too much abuse. Some self inflicted, some cause of the poor line. He's still a winner though.

[gstelmack]

But Phil Simms said that Big Ben has learned how to take a hit and doesn't get NEARLY as beat up as it looks! C'mon, PHIL SIMMS said he was fine!

[DaddyTorgo]

i agree with you to a point stevew.

i blame it on the announcers actually. i think i'd be a lot more sane and less irritated if i watched games with the sound off. i'm not sure if it's bradshaw in particular (might make sense?) but it just seems like the announcers fawn over him.

[MikeVic]

I also think Big Ben won't have a long career, because of the abuse. But while he's there, he's winning games and making good throws. Yeah he makes some bad ones too, but they more than even-out in the end I think. I'd still take Brady and Peyton over him for sure, but I'm not upset he's our starting QB.

[stevew]

Simms was so stupid yesterday that I almost went out at halftime and got an FM antenna for my receiver.

[Danny]

Of course not over Manning, Brady or a few others, but I'd take Big Ben as my quarterback no question.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

You have no idea as to my "desired type of QB" (it's not Warner) and just rehashing something from years ago. Shame on you.

Warner's rise in 1999 was one for the ages and that has stuck with us after all of these years.

Heh, sorry then. It was pretty late (early, to be technically correct) when I wrote that.

Somehow the Bucc likes Warner link never stuck, yet a Bucc prefers pocket passers part did. And Kurt Warner, at least to me, sounds like the prototypical pocket passer.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Heh, sorry then. It was pretty late (early, to be technically correct) when I wrote that.

Somehow the Bucc likes Warner link never stuck, yet a Bucc prefers pocket passers part did. And Kurt Warner, at least to me, sounds like the prototypical pocket passer.

The only kind of pocket passer I like are the ones that can make multiple reads and release the ball quickly as pocket collapses. There is only one QB in the last 10 years that I've seen that can do that consistently - Tom Brady. Otherwise, my primary interest in a QB is to make multiple reads and checkoffs - doesn't matter where, in or out of the pocket. My secondary interest is the ability to throw accurate medium and deep balls. Only a very few can see the field and throw good long balls and those are the ones I like (including Warner).

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

The Niners have 5, just like the Cowboys...but I'm not gonna start talking trash to fans of a team that actually did something positive this season, besides be the most annoying soap opera in sports.

Well, Eaglesfan did bring up more then just this season to back up his argument, so I would say the Lombardi trophies are a very good supporting argument

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by stevew

Simms was so stupid yesterday that I almost went out at halftime and got an FM antenna for my receiver.

Then you remembered that Hillgrove cant call the game either...ITS A CATCH..no wait he dropped it....NO HE DIDN"T TOUCHDOWN STEELERS...

[MikeVic]

I listened to the Eagles/Cards first half on the radio, and Marv Albert was announcing. That was weird for me.

[Thomkal]

Belated Congrats to the Steelers and their fans on making it to the Super Bowl. It should be an interesting matchup between head coaches given that Whisenhunt (and Grimm) were passed up for the Steelers job.

Still in a daze over the Cards making it to the Super Bowl.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Then you remembered that Hillgrove cant call the game either...ITS A CATCH..no wait he dropped it....NO HE DIDN"T TOUCHDOWN STEELERS...

Pretty much. And the odds were that cunty Boomer was doing the game on XM 124.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

The only kind of pocket passer I like are the ones that can make multiple reads and release the ball quickly as pocket collapses. There is only one QB in the last 10 years that I've seen that can do that consistently - Tom Brady. Otherwise, my primary interest in a QB is to make multiple reads and checkoffs - doesn't matter where, in or out of the pocket. My secondary interest is the ability to throw accurate medium and deep balls. Only a very few can see the field and throw good long balls and those are the ones I like (including Warner).

Thanks for clearing that up, Bucc.