2007-2008 NBA Regular Season Thread - Page 10

Chief Rum · 02-16-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Bibby - 2 yrs/$13.5m

Lue - 1 yr/ $3.5m
Johnson - 1 yr/ $2.86m
Wright - 1 yr/ $3.25m
Williams - 2 yr/$3.174m

Bull. If they really dealt him primarily for expiring contracts and got nothing else really back in return, they made an awful deal. There has to be a team that had an expiring contract AND someone worth dealing who would have been interested in a solid veteran guard like Bibby.

Plus, what advantage to gain just one year? It's not like Bibby is on one of those awful contracts the Knicks have a ton of for the next seven years or whatever.

nfg22 · 02-16-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Presumably because the league & the players agreed to this oddity in collective bargaining?

OHHHHH....Maybe I should rephrase it so you dont have to be uber-literal. "I dont understand why the league would "allow" the agreement of letting bench players automatically get trade blocking rights when signing a second contract" .

nfg22 · 02-16-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Bull. If they really dealt him primarily for expiring contracts and got nothing else really back in return, they made an awful deal. There has to be a team that had an expiring contract AND someone worth dealing who would have been interested in a solid veteran guard like Bibby.

Plus, what advantage to gain just one year? It's not like Bibby is on one of those awful contracts the Knicks have a ton of for the next seven years or whatever.

I agree but isnt this what we said about two other trades now? Maybe no one that has the expiring contracts and solid players wants to give them up? Or maybe potential is becoming more valuable than reality? I dont know Cheif but you make a good point.

JPhillips · 02-16-2008, 05:43 PM

In the NBA there's no hope being a late lottery team with little young talent. My biggest problem with the trade is that it didn't happen at the beginning of the year where they could have benefited from more losses.

They should trade Artest and Abdur-Rahim if they can as well.

nfg22 · 02-16-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

In the NBA there's no hope being a late lottery team with little young talent. My biggest problem with the trade is that it didn't happen at the beginning of the year where they could have benefited from more losses.

They should trade Artest and Abdur-Rahim if they can as well.

From what I read Artest is being shopped heavily

JonInMiddleGA · 02-16-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

OHHHHH....Maybe I should rephrase it so you dont have to be uber-literal. "I dont understand why the league would "allow" the agreement of letting bench players automatically get trade blocking rights when signing a second contract" .

Sorry for the literality, but it really doesn't seem like brain surgery to me.

Seems kind of obvious that the owners agreed to this because they didn't give a big enough shit about it to say "no", or at least not enough so to need to swap something else for it in the bargaining process.

nfg22 · 02-16-2008, 05:50 PM

Yes. Well I know there was a reason. Everything has a reason,even if a stupid reason. I guess what I was saying is "that was a stupid move."

Groundhog · 02-16-2008, 05:50 PM

Crazy good trade for the Hawks.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-16-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Bull.

Hey, don't blame me, I was just answering the question somebody asked about possible reasons & the salaries seemed like the most obvious & most likely.

They didn't want to pay Bibby $13.whatever million anymore, and they found someone that did.

Hawks being what they are, I would have to figure that this means that Bibby definitely won't be worth $13m at any point in the future while Shelden Williams will suddenly blossom into one of the best players in the league.

Groundhog · 02-16-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- Factor in that the league has also said it won't let Stackhouse resign with Dallas shows just how screwed up the league is. The fact that there are holes this huge in the leagues CBA shows why the NBA has turned into such a joke.

I have no problem with the NBA putting an end to that part of the deal. Having Stackhouse sent along to make up numbers, with the plan of having him cut and re-sign with the Mavs, is using a loophole in the whole salary cap system. It's one of those things where if everyone is quiet about it and it goes down, fine, but you don't come out and say "I'm only in the deal so we can get around that whole salary cap thing, but I'll be back in town in 30 days anyhow".

Chief Rum · 02-16-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Hey, don't blame me, I was just answering the question somebody asked about possible reasons & the salaries seemed like the most obvious & most likely.

They didn't want to pay Bibby $13.whatever million anymore, and they found someone that did.

Hawks being what they are, I would have to figure that this means that Bibby definitely won't be worth $13m at any point in the future while Shelden Williams will suddenly blossom into one of the best players in the league.

Well, I wasn't trying to lay it on you as your belief, just saying I don't buy it. Or if that is that case, the Kings' GM should be fired.

Heh...I know you're used to the bad stuff with the Hawks (like me with the Clips), but if Williams "suddenly blossoms", I will be shocked. Unforutnately for the Hawks, Bibby is already worth well under $13M, but he's better than starting Anthony Johnson every night. And you're only on the hook for two years anyway.

Crapshoot · 02-16-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Exactly.

Lighten up Francis, is George your gay lover or something.

"Gay lover"? What are you, 5?

Crapshoot · 02-16-2008, 06:21 PM

Dola,
on the George, essentially, the league says his bird-rights can't be traded with him on a 1 year deal - therefore, they gave the player the right to block a trade like that in order to retain his Bird rights. In this case, George probably isn't getting resigned by the Mavericks anyway now, so that's that.

Arles · 02-16-2008, 06:33 PM

Sacramento sends out $28 million over the next 2 years and takes back $13 million this year and just Sheldon's $3.4 mil next year (with a team option in 09/10). If they move Artest, the Kings could be under $40 million heading into FA with some decent young guys.

stevew · 02-16-2008, 06:37 PM

Darn, now at least this should close the 50 page bibby thread on one of my cavs forums. Way to go Ferry, make sure to fuck yourself while you're at it.

stevew · 02-16-2008, 06:38 PM

That should make the Hawks a pretty good team, at least by eastern standards, I'm suprised they actually pulled the trigger. They still need some size, though, IMO.

stevew · 02-16-2008, 06:45 PM

tridola,

I think that confirms that Drew Gooden truly has no value whatsoever.

miami_fan · 02-16-2008, 06:46 PM

Wow, I am shocked that Billy Knight could actually pull this off.

Lathum · 02-16-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

"Gay lover"? What are you, 5?

I wasn't the one that started calling people stupid in a normal, civilized sports discussion.

Neon_Chaos · 02-16-2008, 09:32 PM

Awww.... Jamario Moon copped out on that dunk...

Neon_Chaos · 02-16-2008, 09:34 PM

DWWWWWWWWWWWWWIIIIIGHT HOWAAAAAAAARDDDD!!!!!

Groundhog · 02-16-2008, 09:36 PM

This is the best dunk comp I've seen in some time... Dwight Howard with 2 amazing dunks in the first round.

Jas_lov · 02-16-2008, 09:37 PM

What a great dunk contest! Howard's first one was awesome as was the Superman costume. He didn't even dunk that 2nd one. Gerald Green's cake dunk was pretty good too. Can't wait to see Howard's final.

JeeberD · 02-16-2008, 09:38 PM

I haven't watched a dunk contest in probably ten years, and this has been entertaining as hell...

Karlifornia · 02-16-2008, 09:42 PM

I liked Gerald Green's cupcake dunk.

molson · 02-16-2008, 09:43 PM

I remember about 10 years ago JR Rider "stole the show" and won the thing with the between the legs dunk. Now it's done off a pass and nobody cares. They've done a great job breathing life into this.

Neon_Chaos · 02-16-2008, 09:43 PM

WHAT!?!? WHAT!?!? WHAT!?!? WHAT!?!? WHAT!?!?

jeeeeesus.

Dwight Howard is KING!

JeeberD · 02-16-2008, 09:43 PM

Good grief...Howard has been INSANE.

Jas_lov · 02-16-2008, 09:43 PM

Wow. Howard makes these look easy. Good for these guys reviving a once dead contest.

Karlifornia · 02-16-2008, 09:44 PM

Yeah..Dwight Howard rules.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-16-2008, 09:44 PM

Most entertaining dunk contest in at least 5 years, probably a decade. Dwight Howard has been amazing.

Neon_Chaos · 02-16-2008, 09:46 PM

Dwight is probably the most creative dunker in Slam Dunk history.

Young Drachma · 02-16-2008, 09:47 PM

Howard is a monster. He's just crazy good.

Young Drachma · 02-16-2008, 09:48 PM

And what's crazy is, he makes it look really easy.

Neon_Chaos · 02-16-2008, 09:48 PM

Pack it up. Go home. It's OVER.

Young Drachma · 02-16-2008, 09:52 PM

Dr. J is at least being nice trying to Gerald Green. lol

Karlifornia · 02-16-2008, 09:53 PM

lmao@barkley(I'm guessing) snoring during Dr. J's speech

Atocep · 02-16-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

I liked Gerald Green's cupcake dunk.

This was the most memorable dunk of the night for me. Easily the most creative slam dunk contest ever.

EagleFan · 02-17-2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Dr. J is at least being nice trying to Gerald Green. lol

jb is in the house? ...

EagleFan · 02-17-2008, 12:17 AM

dola: very nice show by Howard, quite entertaining

MikeVic · 02-17-2008, 01:35 AM

That was a great dunk contest. Too bad Moon didn't really get to do much. He should of just taken off from way behind the free throw line instead of trying to go for the bounce thing.

stevew · 02-17-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

Yes. Well I know there was a reason. Everything has a reason,even if a stupid reason. I guess what I was saying is "that was a stupid move."

It was done to reduce a cap loophole. Otherwise a team could trade for a player or two in George's situation, and then use them in a sign and trade the next season. The cap is a mockery as it is now, but it would probably be worse with even more creative accounting.

stevew · 02-17-2008, 06:49 PM

Kidd to the Nets will probably get done now. Keith van Horn is getting paid about 4m for simply existing.

Groundhog · 02-17-2008, 06:56 PM

Interesting tid-bit about Jamario Moon I found out this morning. Apparently, prior to the NBA season, he was nearly on a plane out here to Australia to play for a team in our national league before getting a call to go trial with the Raptors.

Would have loved to see him dominate down here, though that's not always the case with NBA talents... I mean, Stephen Jackson gave our league a shot before making his way to the NBA and was cut by his team after a few games in what figures to be one of the most boneheaded moves ever.

Atocep · 02-17-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Kidd to the Nets will probably get done now. Keith van Horn is getting paid about 4m for simply existing.

Yep, here's the new deal according to ESPN.com

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Sources say Mavs swingman Trenton Hassell and the retired Keith Van Horn will be plugged into the trade in place of Jerry Stackhouse and Devean George. If the newly proposed deal goes through, New Jersey would receive 24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, center DeSagana Diop, guard Maurice Ager, forwards Hassell and Van Horn, two first-round draft picks and $3 million in cash for Kidd and Nets forward Malik Allen.

The Mavs are giving up a ton for a guy that, IMO, isn't as good as Devin Harris at this stage of his career.

miami_fan · 02-17-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Yep, here's the new deal according to ESPN.com

The Mavs are giving up a ton for a guy that, IMO, isn't as good as Devin Harris at this stage of his career.

Isn't Hassell their best perimeter defender?

molson · 02-17-2008, 07:31 PM

How can you trade a guy that's retired?

miami_fan · 02-17-2008, 07:31 PM

Jake Plummer

Groundhog · 02-17-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

How can you trade a guy that's retired?

I don't believe he's retired. IIRC he was taking a year off and might come back next season.

EagleFan · 02-17-2008, 07:34 PM

How can we have 10 pages on this subject? The NBA sucks big time!!! (The damn NBA defenders showed up in the hater thread so it's on now

)

02-16-2008, 05:43 PM	#454
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	In the NBA there's no hope being a late lottery team with little young talent. My biggest problem with the trade is that it didn't happen at the beginning of the year where they could have benefited from more losses. They should trade Artest and Abdur-Rahim if they can as well. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-16-2008, 05:50 PM	#458
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Crazy good trade for the Hawks. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-16-2008, 06:33 PM	#464
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Sacramento sends out $28 million over the next 2 years and takes back $13 million this year and just Sheldon's $3.4 mil next year (with a team option in 09/10). If they move Artest, the Kings could be under $40 million heading into FA with some decent young guys. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

02-16-2008, 06:46 PM	#468
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Wow, I am shocked that Billy Knight could actually pull this off. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

02-16-2008, 09:32 PM	#470
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Awww.... Jamario Moon copped out on that dunk... __________________ Come and see.

02-16-2008, 05:50 PM	#457
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Yes. Well I know there was a reason. Everything has a reason,even if a stupid reason. I guess what I was saying is "that was a stupid move."

02-16-2008, 06:21 PM	#463
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Dola, on the George, essentially, the league says his bird-rights can't be traded with him on a 1 year deal - therefore, they gave the player the right to block a trade like that in order to retain his Bird rights. In this case, George probably isn't getting resigned by the Mavericks anyway now, so that's that.

02-16-2008, 06:37 PM	#465
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Darn, now at least this should close the 50 page bibby thread on one of my cavs forums. Way to go Ferry, make sure to fuck yourself while you're at it.

02-16-2008, 06:38 PM	#466
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	That should make the Hawks a pretty good team, at least by eastern standards, I'm suprised they actually pulled the trigger. They still need some size, though, IMO.

02-16-2008, 06:45 PM	#467
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	tridola, I think that confirms that Drew Gooden truly has no value whatsoever.

02-16-2008, 09:34 PM	#471
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	DWWWWWWWWWWWWWIIIIIGHT HOWAAAAAAAARDDDD!!!!! __________________ Come and see.

02-16-2008, 09:36 PM	#472
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	This is the best dunk comp I've seen in some time... Dwight Howard with 2 amazing dunks in the first round. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-16-2008, 09:37 PM	#473
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	What a great dunk contest! Howard's first one was awesome as was the Superman costume. He didn't even dunk that 2nd one. Gerald Green's cake dunk was pretty good too. Can't wait to see Howard's final.

02-16-2008, 09:38 PM	#474
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I haven't watched a dunk contest in probably ten years, and this has been entertaining as hell... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-16-2008, 09:42 PM	#475
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	I liked Gerald Green's cupcake dunk.

02-16-2008, 09:43 PM	#476
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I remember about 10 years ago JR Rider "stole the show" and won the thing with the between the legs dunk. Now it's done off a pass and nobody cares. They've done a great job breathing life into this.

02-16-2008, 09:43 PM	#477
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	WHAT!?!? WHAT!?!? WHAT!?!? WHAT!?!? WHAT!?!? jeeeeesus. Dwight Howard is KING! __________________ Come and see.

02-16-2008, 09:43 PM	#478
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Good grief...Howard has been INSANE. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-16-2008, 09:43 PM	#479
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Wow. Howard makes these look easy. Good for these guys reviving a once dead contest.

02-16-2008, 09:44 PM	#480
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Yeah..Dwight Howard rules.

02-16-2008, 09:44 PM	#481
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Most entertaining dunk contest in at least 5 years, probably a decade. Dwight Howard has been amazing. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

02-16-2008, 09:46 PM	#482
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Dwight is probably the most creative dunker in Slam Dunk history. __________________ Come and see.

02-16-2008, 09:47 PM	#483
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Howard is a monster. He's just crazy good. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

02-16-2008, 09:48 PM	#484
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	And what's crazy is, he makes it look really easy.

02-16-2008, 09:48 PM	#485
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Pack it up. Go home. It's OVER. __________________ Come and see.

02-16-2008, 09:52 PM	#486
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Dr. J is at least being nice trying to Gerald Green. lol

02-16-2008, 09:53 PM	#487
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	lmao@barkley(I'm guessing) snoring during Dr. J's speech

02-17-2008, 12:17 AM	#490
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola: very nice show by Howard, quite entertaining

02-17-2008, 01:35 AM	#491
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	That was a great dunk contest. Too bad Moon didn't really get to do much. He should of just taken off from way behind the free throw line instead of trying to go for the bounce thing.

02-17-2008, 06:49 PM	#493
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Kidd to the Nets will probably get done now. Keith van Horn is getting paid about 4m for simply existing.

02-17-2008, 06:56 PM	#494
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Interesting tid-bit about Jamario Moon I found out this morning. Apparently, prior to the NBA season, he was nearly on a plane out here to Australia to play for a team in our national league before getting a call to go trial with the Raptors. Would have loved to see him dominate down here, though that's not always the case with NBA talents... I mean, Stephen Jackson gave our league a shot before making his way to the NBA and was cut by his team after a few games in what figures to be one of the most boneheaded moves ever. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-17-2008, 07:31 PM	#497
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	How can you trade a guy that's retired?

02-17-2008, 07:31 PM	#498
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Jake Plummer __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

02-17-2008, 07:34 PM	#500
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	How can we have 10 pages on this subject? The NBA sucks big time!!! (The damn NBA defenders showed up in the hater thread so it's on now )

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