2007 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread - Page 10

Chief Rum · 06-28-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

I saw very little of Young. I know he is a very good offensive player. How does he do at the defensive end? That is a BIG problem for the Wiz.

Terrific athleticism, solid handles and can create his own shot. Potential for a better outside shot, although not a natural.

His problem is weight. He's a toothpick. He needs to develop some more or he could be pushed around by bigger, more physically mature gaurds and the occasional three they'll throw him at. I think his defensive instincts are unrefined at this point, but he could be better there. Not sure if he has the lateral quickness to stay in front of the best breakdown twos. But he should be solid against shooters. Long reach and jump.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:18 PM

Surely the Warriors go big. I think McRoberts fits their style of play, but it's too early for him.

ThunderingHERD · 06-28-2007, 08:19 PM

Williams could be a steal. An absolute freak, 5 blocks a game. Would have gone much higher if not for the off-court issues.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Terrific athleticism, solid handles and can create his own shot. Potential for a better outside shot, although not a natural.

His problem is weight. He's a toothpick. He needs to develop some more or he could be pushed around by bigger, more physically mature gaurds and the occasional three they'll throw him at. I think his defensive instincts are unrefined at this point, but he could be better there. Not sure if he has the lateral quickness to stay in front of the best breakdown twos. But he should be solid against shooters. Long reach and jump.

A friend of mine from USC compares him to Hamilton with less of a jumpshot at similar stages of their careers. What do you think of that comparison? Homerism?

Logan · 06-28-2007, 08:19 PM

Can I please have an explanation why NBA teams are only concerned with marijuana use for players that have been busted? Guarantee that 95% of these draftees are stoned right now.

It's not like he's a crack fiend.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Williams could be a steal. An absolute freak, 5 blocks a game. Would have gone much higher if not for the off-court issues.

Yeah, he can block shots, but so could Ken Johnson. I don't see anything else about Williams' game that leads me to think he's going to be anything close to a rotational player.

Chief Rum · 06-28-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

We've really lowered the bar for the adjective "monster" haven't we? Two good scorers with no defensive presence. Still a good move to get rid of Francis, though.

Aren't they both low post guys? How's that going to work? And without Frye, the Knicks almost need to have Lee in there to do the dirty work. No other options. Well, assuming Zeke cares about defense. Okay, maybe it doesn't matter.

ThunderingHERD · 06-28-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Can I please have an explanation why NBA teams are only concerned with marijuana use for players that have been busted? Guarantee that 95% of these draftees are stoned right now.

Yeh, but I think it is relevant that he happens to be dumb enough to get busted for it.

Karlifornia · 06-28-2007, 08:21 PM

I don't want the Warriors to take Gabe Pruitt...

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Yeh, but I think it is relevant that he happens to be dumb enough to get busted for it.

Twice, even.

Neuqua · 06-28-2007, 08:22 PM

I'm waiting for Ric Bucher to announce the Bulls trading Chris Duhon to New York for their 2008 first rounder.

Karlifornia · 06-28-2007, 08:23 PM

Marco Jellybelly?

Coffee Warlord · 06-28-2007, 08:24 PM

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I'm waiting for Ric Bucher to announce the Bulls trading Chris Duhon to New York for their 2008 first rounder.

Next year is going to be so weird not taking New York's lottery pick.

Young Drachma · 06-28-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Marco Jellybelly?

Yeah, he needs to hire a stunt man to announce the picks for him.

JeeberD · 06-28-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

-Wilson Chandler is going in the first round. He's in New York City.

• As much as every executive in the league believes the New York Knicks have guaranteed the No. 23 spot in the draft to DePaul sophomore Wilson Chandler, those plans are suddenly threatened by the possibility of the Miami Heat drafting Chandler at No. 20, a league source said. Chandler used a phantom ankle injury to cancel workouts with several teams, and he's never worked out for the Heat.

From the link I posted earlier...

MrBug708 · 06-28-2007, 08:25 PM

F the Wiz for taking Nic Young

Izulde · 06-28-2007, 08:25 PM

Meh. Not sure how I feel about that Allen trade.. but we'll see how it pans out.

miami_fan · 06-28-2007, 08:25 PM

So who is making this pick for the Lakers? Mitch? Jerry Buss? Jim Buss? Kobe?

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:25 PM

Earlier than I thought Belinelli would go, but both Marco Belinelli and Rudy Fernandez are good prospects from the sound of things. I thought Rudy would go first.

Anthony · 06-28-2007, 08:26 PM

so far i like the trade by the Knicks - it's not often we get a top 20 player in his prime/not coming off an injury.

i think Seattle comes out ahead today - they pick up Durant and Green and bolster their squad further with Wally Szcerbiak. they got a nice core right there for the next 6-10 years in Durant and Green.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:26 PM

Lakers could grab Fernandez here.

Chief Rum · 06-28-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

A friend of mine from USC compares him to Hamilton with less of a jumpshot at similar stages of their careers. What do you think of that comparison? Homerism?

A little bit of homerism. You have to remember, Hamilton came out of college as perhaps the best shooting guard in the college nation leading a dominating UConn squad. And there was no question he was the man on that team. Young didn't stand out so much.

That said, I think he was by far the best naturally skilled player on the Trojans the past two years. Much more consistent than Pruitt, more of a guy you could count on.

Rip had a bigger frame coming out and has filled out a little. He never had Young's athleticism, but I don't think Young will ever have Rip's shot.

I am REALLY hesitant to say Young can equate to Hamilton. I just don't get that. But he can be a very solid guard, especially on a team with a shotblocking big man or a fast-paced squad. He would be great on the Suns or Warriors.

Best comparison, IMO, is Hinrich with a little more athleticism but much less defensive tenacity.

Atocep · 06-28-2007, 08:29 PM

Crossing my fingers that McRoberts falls to the Sixers. Him and Thaddeus Young were the two guys I thought would fit perfectly.

DeToxRox · 06-28-2007, 08:30 PM

Crittenton made sense since there were no real PF out there to take.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:31 PM

Can't really argue with Crittenton there. I think most people expected him to be gone by now.

DeToxRox · 06-28-2007, 08:32 PM

Even though right now he may not make sense, if Alando Tucker slides to 27, the Pistons need to take him.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:32 PM

Interested to see what the Heat do. Daequan Cook is my pick, but they could grab any number of swingmen, or even some of the bigs like Smith, Splitter, McRoberts.

MrBug708 · 06-28-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Crittenton made sense since there were no real PF out there to take.

No it didn't. Unless drafting PG's in back to back years makes sense....

Chief Rum · 06-28-2007, 08:34 PM

Strange that I like Crittenden at 11 for the Hawks, but not so much for the Lakers. They should trade guards. The Lakers could use Law's steadier hand. The Hawks could use Crittenden's creative ability at the point.

BTW, am I the only one kinda looking forward to seeing where Byars goes? I always sorta liked him. Good athleticism and skill set. Kinda underrated playing with Vandy. Is it a stretch to see him as a potential Josh Howard pick (older, though, of course)? Or am off my rocker?

DeToxRox · 06-28-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Interested to see what the Heat do. Daequan Cook is more pick, but they could grab any number of swingmen, or even some of the bigs like Smith, Splitter, McRoberts.

I must be the only one not sold on Cook, but the kid is supposed to be an enegry/shooter type. From Feb 21 until the tournament ended he didn't score more then 10 points, and the only teams he scored more then 15 points against were teams like Valpo and Youngstown State.

Logan · 06-28-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

So who is making this pick for the Lakers? Mitch? Jerry Buss? Jim Buss? Kobe?

Maybe Jim Gray. What a miserable fuck.

DeToxRox · 06-28-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

No it didn't. Unless drafting PG's in back to back years makes sense....

At 19, I'd go for the talent over the need. At least then you can make a trade.

Chief Rum · 06-28-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

No it didn't. Unless drafting PG's in back to back years makes sense....

True, that is a typically backwards move by the Lakers. Might have been better with Jason Smith.

miami_fan · 06-28-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Interested to see what the Heat do. Daequan Cook is my pick, but they could grab any number of swingmen, or even some of the bigs like Smith, Splitter, McRoberts.

Taquan Green?

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I must be the only one not sold on Cook, but the kid is supposed to be an enegry/shooter type. From Feb 21 until the tournament ended he didn't score more then 10 points, and the only teams he scored more then 15 points against were teams like Valpo and Youngstown State.

I'm definately not sold on him, but he's slotted around this spot on a lot of mocks. Definately better players around, but he's a "ceiling" guy.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:36 PM

I take Fazekas over Smith at this point of the draft.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:37 PM

What are the chances that Smith hits the floor for the Heat much over the next couple of years?

Logan · 06-28-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

BTW, am I the only one kinda looking forward to seeing where Byars goes? I always sorta liked him. Good athleticism and skill set. Kinda underrated playing with Vandy. Is it a stretch to see him as a potential Josh Howard pick (older, though, of course)? Or am off my rocker?

No you're not. I paid a lot of attention to Byars during the tourney, thanks to FOFC Top Gun, and he's got that "he could play for my team any day" look to him. Excellent shot, solid NBA body. I think he could be a sleeper candidate for ROY if he goes to the right team. Similar to Roy last year.

Atocep · 06-28-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

True, that is a typically backwards move by the Lakers. Might have been better with Jason Smith.

Crittendon actually makes sense for the Lakers and the triangle. He's the type of guard Phil loves. Farmar was the one that didn't make sense. Now it seems like they wasted last year's pick.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:37 PM

Byars is hurt by the amount of swingmen in this draft. Most years he'd be picked in the teens IMO.

Chief Rum · 06-28-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

I take Fazekas over Smith at this point of the draft.

Not if you're the Lakers. They need tough and mean (like Kobe). Perhaps it's just an impression, but I would take the chance on the huge center over the thin perimeter four.

It's all hypothetical and moot now, though.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:38 PM

I think Sixers will be dissapointed that Smith is off the board, and go with McRoberts.

Groundhog · 06-28-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Taquan Green?

I get the feeling that Green will end up a 2nd round steal.

miami_fan · 06-28-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

What are the chances that Smith hits the floor for the Heat much over the next couple of years?

As much of a chance as Dorell Wright and Wayne Simien.

Actually it all depends on what they decide to do with James Posey and Jason Kapono.

Chief Rum · 06-28-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Crittendon actually makes sense for the Lakers and the triangle. He's the type of guard Phil loves. Farmar was the one that didn't make sense. Now it seems like they wasted last year's pick.

I agree on your thoughts here, particularly with Farmar, but would add these caviats:

1) Farmar was a pretty good pick for where they drafted last year, even if he isn't a system fit. Once Phil leaves, he could be a very solid, heady point guard for the next coach outside of the triangle.

2) Crittenden is a very good fit for the triangle with his quickness, but he needs to add five years of muscle and maturity for Phil to even notice he's on team.

RedKingGold · 06-28-2007, 08:41 PM

Are Mitch Kupchak and that reporter guy in a relationship or something? Why does it look like he's trying to touch his hand?

Chief Rum · 06-28-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Byars is hurt by the amount of swingmen in this draft. Most years he'd be picked in the teens IMO.

Oh God, I just had a horrible thought. Byars to the Suns. Ugh...the rich get richer...

Young Drachma · 06-28-2007, 08:42 PM

Well, Sixers got their guy.

Young Drachma · 06-28-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Are Mitch Kupchak and that reporter guy in a relationship or something? Why does it look like he's trying to touch his hand?

Because Kupchak looked like he wanted to cry. A lot.

Chief Rum · 06-28-2007, 08:43 PM

There is either a trade as stated or the Sixers want to become like the Hawks and their all-swingman squad.

Actually, I like that trade for both teams.

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Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Can I please have an explanation why NBA teams are only concerned with marijuana use for players that have been busted? Guarantee that 95% of these draftees are stoned right now. It's not like he's a crack fiend. Last edited by Logan : 06-28-2007 at 08:20 PM.

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06-28-2007, 08:25 PM	#466
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DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Even though right now he may not make sense, if Alando Tucker slides to 27, the Pistons need to take him.

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06-28-2007, 08:34 PM	#479
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Strange that I like Crittenden at 11 for the Hawks, but not so much for the Lakers. They should trade guards. The Lakers could use Law's steadier hand. The Hawks could use Crittenden's creative ability at the point. BTW, am I the only one kinda looking forward to seeing where Byars goes? I always sorta liked him. Good athleticism and skill set. Kinda underrated playing with Vandy. Is it a stretch to see him as a potential Josh Howard pick (older, though, of course)? Or am off my rocker?

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