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Location: Chicago, IL
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There were some right-wing pollsters that had New Jersey tied (lol) and some other favorable results. They might be dumb enough to buy into that hype now that they don't have anyone with a clue running the RNC.
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#452 |
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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Not a campaign expert but I think calling the biggest city in a state you absolutely need to win "horrible" is a bad strategy.
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: ...down the gravity well
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Probably wants it in Florida
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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The bottom half of Jersey, except maybe Camden, is MAGA country. I live in a deep red town and these people are nuts.
I can see a combination of them thinking there will be less turnout and more support from black voters where they think it is in play. Trump problem is EVERYWHERE he goes the MAGA faction will show up, so it gives him, and probably the morons running the RNC, a false senso of popularity in areas where it really doesn't exist. Best case scenario for Biden is Trump wastes his time in states he has little chance to carry thus resulting in him spending less time in the 6-7 swing states. |
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Location: PDX
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I wonder about this too. Trump's campaign is potentially paying rally goers, inflating donation numbers and trying to convince their base that they are the silent majority in any way possible, and you wonder how susceptible they are to huffing their own farts.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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But that was just code. You're trying to remind the GOP-leaning white suburbanites about how the "inner-city Blacks" have made the city "horrible" so they will hold their nose and vote for Trump. |
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#457 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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dola and/or remind rural MAGA Wisconsin that they need to come out to vote because you know those "horrible" Milwaukee people are gonna rig the inner-city voting machines.
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#458 |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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Trump only got 22% of the vote in Milwaukee. He doesn't have much to lose by talking bad about the city. That 22 % probably holds the same opinion.
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That's roughly what I was thinking. I mean, you'd make hay virtually statewide talking shit about Atlanta ... cause that's pretty much how at least 150 (of 159) counties feel about it too.
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: PDX
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I mean you could do the same thing in Oregon, but it would still be stupid. Internet tells me Wisconsin's population is 30% rural.
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
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The last few elections prove pretty clearly that if people get out and vote in Milwaukee and, to a lesser extent, Madison, Democrats win the state. If people are apathetic and stay home in those cities, Republicans win the state. This is how you end up with Senators as disparate as Baldwin and Johnson. So, I'm all for Trump insulting Milwaukee if it riles up more people to come up and vote. |
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Location: Chicagoland
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Ah, so you're OK with a little unfocused mass murder of American citizens. Got it. |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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That requires them to not realize they're in a hopeless abyss. I'm not sure how much longer that myth can be sustained.
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#464 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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This writer suggests that Biden should replace Kamala Harris as his VP running mate with Hillary Clinton.
Opinion | Democrats are wrestling with an age-old problem. Enter Clinton? - The Washington Post This idea is like a fractal. The more I look at it, the more ways I can see what a horrible idea it is. Like you can zoom in forever and keep seeing more and more awfulness. Maybe the writer is an old Mondale fan and wants Biden to lose literally every state so Mondale's Reagan map does not look so bad. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 06-14-2024 at 08:28 AM. |
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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It's behind a paywall, but I'm not sure I could stomach reading it.
As a relative newbie to Independent status, it amazes me that Democrats have managed to get anyone elected in the past 40 years, at any position. Whereas before this kind of stuff would make me laugh, now it just pisses me off. This kind of crap feels like a full-circle, Trump-esque "double down" on what people don't like about you. Most of the country can't believe we're running 2 old white guys, and the answer for the Dems is an old white woman who is the only person to have lost an election to Trump? About the only premise I buy is that Harris should be replaced, but like everything else about this election, we're already too far down the path to change the inevitable. At the risk of sounding like RM and others here, I do agree with the idea that it's hard to square a message of "Democracy is threatened by another Trump presidency" with "Political norms in our nominating process mean more than finding the ideal candidates to beat Trump." It should have started like 2 months after Biden won. The Dem machine should not have given Biden the decision. You don't humiliate the guy, of course - he's owed more than that - but the back-room discussions and messaging should have occurred to negotiate an exit strategy for Biden and potential candidates early on. It's not that hard to find a reasonable exit strategy for an 82 year old, you know? And if he resisted, you simply don't give him the space to make that challenge. You move on. In the same way the GOP has moved on with Trump, the Dems could have moved on without Biden. It would have signaled yet another way in which Dems are different from the GOP and serious about governing above politics. Alas, here we are... articles touting Hillary as a VP candidate.
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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I don't think this article has any kind of weight and it has zero chance of happening. I also agree that Harris doesn't really help the ticket at this point, but I'm not convinced removing her really helps the ticket either. It would smack of Biden firing a black woman and then replacing her with whom? Unless it is say Stacey Abrams (which then you have ask why?), he is going to piss off a group he needs. Democrats only win on the strength of the black female vote. It is their strongest and most stable voting block. The only way to remove Harris is if she voluntarily stepped down, and then it would have to be some solid reason for doing so. |
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#467 |
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Georgia
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This happens every so often, as far back as 2016, where someone brings up Hilary should get the nomination or VP or whatever else, and then that allows people to dunk on Dems. "Why are they so dumb for wanting to run Hilary again?"
"Dems" don't want to run Hilary again. That is not a serious proposal by anyone with any kind of power, just some dumb column writer.
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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The writer is...not a Mondale fan, unless she swung quite a bit to the right since. Also: Quote:
Other recent opinion pieces: "Democrats weaponizing flags to intimidate Alito is an embarrassment" "Harrison Butker doesn’t only kick footballs" -The NFL should have defended the Kansas City kicker’s right to speak his mind. "Biden’s abortion push reeks of desperation" "Christine Blasey Ford is no hero, if justice is the measure" -Even if Justice Kavanaugh’s accuser believes her own story, in the absence of evidence or corroboration, a measure of doubt is called for. (revisited this topic, I guess) "For the country’s sake, Vice President Harris should step aside" "Why I ordered 200 incandescent lightbulbs" I'm not sure I'd follow her ideas if I were the Democrats?
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#469 |
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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From the standpoint of winning, Biden and Harris were great choices for the previous election. But as some of you have said, the plan absolutely had to be for them to step aside years ahead of this election and plan around the next candidate. Harris could certainly go after that if she chose to (though highly unlikely to end up winning the primaries given her lack of wide spread popularity).
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#470 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Is this just for 2024 or a more permanent thing?
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Arguably last Fall 2023 would have been a good time. But even then, which other candidate had better chance of beating Trump. Which other candidate wouldn't be entrapped one-way-or-another with/against Israel or Ukraine or the GOP House dysfunction or less experience than Joe. Joe's got a pretty good record. With the economy/markets turning, he has a decent shot regardless of what polls currently say. IMO the only thing that can stop him is (1) him appearing like an old blundering fool who can't or struggles to remember important things (2) losing the independent vote. |
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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Pretty much any semi-normal Democrat under the age of 70 has a better chance of beating Trump in 2024. He's a historically unpopular President whether you think he deserves that distinction or not. And he'll be 82 in November. An age that is only going to see an increase in mental decline over the next 4 years. Ironically, both parties picked the one candidate that could lose to the other. I can't think of an election that saw two candidates that were this unpopular running against each other. It's like neither side wants to win. |
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#472 |
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Join Date: Jun 2001
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Trump v. Clinton
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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If there's one thing the past 8 years have taught me, it's that political parties suck. I voted for a 3rd party for President since 2004 (until 2020), so I was already on my way out of party affiliation. The only useful reason to remain affiliated one way or the other is to be permitted to vote in a primary (at least in KY). But frankly, that's not a good enough reason. We decided after January 6th there was no way we could remain affiliated with the GOP. So we changed to Independent. I don't see that ever changing - really no reason to, especially living here.
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#474 |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Ah sorry. When you said "newbie" I assumed from past couple years on.
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#475 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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More Jun 27 debate rules. I like the mic muting.
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#476 |
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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I've been calling for this for years. If Around the Horn can do it, then why not a presidential debate?
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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Give them the questions ahead of time. The job isn't, or at least shouldn't be, who can say the most the fastest.
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#478 |
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Location: homeless in NJ
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#479 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Puyallup, WA
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Tonight Trump was comparing himself to Al Capone again over the indictments and then said Capone would have had Mike Lindell killed because his ads are annoying. He then went on to challenge Biden to a cognitive test and called the White House doctor that gave him his test Ronny Johnson.
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Trump is talking to his Johnson? oh dear. Is the little guy no longer able to perform? |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Yes, this is definitely a top 5 message to focus on. Continuously remind everyone and tie it with abortion.
Biden says the next president may get to name two Supreme Court justices : NPR Quote:
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#482 |
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
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Are they going to bring back Max Kellerman for the Presidential Election version of Around The Horn or keep Tony Reali on the mute buttons?
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#483 |
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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I still think Trump backs out.
Even if it happens it doesn't matter. ight wing media will still edit every clip to make Biden sound like a demented old man. |
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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Location: homeless in NJ
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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This is a really good piece that needs to be a reminder for everyone stuck on short-term memory about all the problems when Trump was President. I see quite a bit of revisionist history or excusing things he did/didn't do, and it's really frustrating.
Trump's presidency was a huge mess
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#492 | |
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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Educated people know this already.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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It is an annoying time for me because I value competence so much in an era when no one cares. I'm a solid liberal, but I'd rather Jeb be President than Bernie b/c Jeb is a super competent manager and Bernie would just yell at corporations to be better. (My least popular opinion has to be that a Jeb/Hillary executive counsel would operate as an amazing President) |
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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The true legacy of Trumps career will be his decimation of the court and legal system.
Really have to hope enough independents in swing states are cool with paying a little more for eggs than dealing with another 4 year term, this time unchecked. |
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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You value competence but would want a ticket with the two politicians who ran the most incompetent campaigns in modern political history? The people who openly supported (and voted in Clinton's case) for one of the most disastrous wars in American history. I don't think you value competency, just the illusion of competency. It's more about the optics. |
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I think that's been decades in the making. Bush v Gore seems to be the point of no return. |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
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Oh it was disappointing. Just not entirely for some of the reasons mentioned in that article. If he'd been 30-50 percent more successful in his talking points I'm not sure I'd have backed DeSantis for the nomination this round. Instead, we are where we are. Still, aside from the entertainment value, at least there's some reason to hope he'll occasionally get something right which really doesn't exist with the alternative.
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#498 |
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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Obama won Iowa in 2008.
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Location: North Carolina
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Caring more about results than campaigns is the opposite of optics. |
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#500 |
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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What was the result of her support for the Iraq War?
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