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View Poll Results: Who will (not should) be the Republican presidential nominee in 2008? | |||
Rudy Giuliani | 28 | 20.90% | |
Mike Huckabee | 23 | 17.16% | |
Duncan Hunter | 2 | 1.49% | |
John McCain | 42 | 31.34% | |
Ron Paul | 10 | 7.46% | |
Mitt Romney | 23 | 17.16% | |
Tom Tancredo | 3 | 2.24% | |
Fred Thompson | 3 | 2.24% | |
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02-23-2008, 09:54 AM | #451 | |
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According to the article, there is absolutely no evidence. As the article stands, it seems more likely that the New York Times "dan rathered" McCain here. |
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02-23-2008, 01:04 PM | #452 |
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Well not exactly no evidence. There are quotes from former staffers, but certainly no enough to run that story. That's why I wonder if there is other info they didn't publish. It still wouldn't forgive the story, but at least it would explain it a bit.
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02-29-2008, 06:50 PM | #453 |
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This is great!
John McCain, yesterday: "I'm a proud conservative liberal republic -- conservative Republican. Hello, easy there. Let me say this. I am a proud conservative Republican and both of my possible or likely opponents are liberal Democrats."
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02-29-2008, 09:16 PM | #454 | |
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Quotes from former staffers. No names. It's pretty much going on a haunch that may or may not be true. Don't you find it odd that the NYT endorsed McCain, then just as he has pretty much sealed the GOP bid; they bring out a story, with basically nothing to back it up, to try to tarnish him? Why wait until exactly that moment? Doesn't it strike you bias that some of the journalists involved in the story are Democratic donors? Now they are running off on his natural-born citizenship. Last edited by Galaxy : 02-29-2008 at 09:17 PM. |
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The "natural born" citizen thing is actually a pretty interesting legal issue. It revolves around interpretations of the 14th Amendment and various immigration statutes, and to what extent there is a legal difference between "citizen by birth" and "citizen at birth." The issue is whether he is a citizen by law given the unique cirucmstances of his birth, and not a citizen by birth. One of the complicating factors is this, from the Foreign Affairs Manual:
“Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.” The issue has never been resolved conclusively, since this issue has never been brought before a court in the context of a presidential candidate, especially with McCain's particular facts. That said, I see no way on earth he would be found to not be eligible to run for president, given where we are in the process. Even if the law suggested otherwise, my guess is circumstances would dictate the decision.
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03-01-2008, 08:02 AM | #456 |
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Somewhat related... Barry Goldwater was the 1964 presidential candidate for the Republicans. He was born in Arizona in 1909, but Arizona did not become a state until 1912.
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03-01-2008, 08:11 AM | #457 | |
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03-01-2008, 10:07 AM | #458 | |
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But it was a US territory at the time he was born, so there was no real question whether he was a "natural born citizen."
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03-01-2008, 06:50 PM | #459 | |
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It's way too thin to run the story, but for the record it wasn't nothing. Unfortunately the single anonymous source story is rather commonplace. Is it bias, of course not. The whole timing issue makes no sense as it's easily the best time in the campaign for something like this. There's also no sensible reason why a Democratic conspiracy would work to put the most dangerous of the Republican candidates in the general. I'll give you that the press is generally crap, but the problems aren't political bias. How do you explain the story on Obama's "patriotism problem" or the single anonymous source story on Clinton being responsible for the Somali garb picture or the Edwards' hair cut stories or numerous others. The problems with the press are more about a hive mentality, general laziness and an obsession with making the story about themselves. The political bias angle may be convenient for your ideology, but it doesn't get at the real problem.
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The sad thing about the NY Times story is that everyone is focusing on the wrong thing. The meat of the story for me is that McCain is bought and paid for by lobbyists (which isn't a surprise). I could careless who he has sex with, I just don't want him bending over for whoever donates to his campaign.
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What a night for John McCain. Huckabee drops out, he officially clinches the Republican nomination, and exits the stage to Johnny B. Goode. But that's not all, my friends. John McCain will have lunch with George W. Bush tomorrow and get his official endorsement which I'm sure will carry a lot of weight with the American people.
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03-24-2008, 03:52 PM | #463 |
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03-24-2008, 03:55 PM | #465 |
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I think John McCain will be the Republican presidential nominee in 2008.
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03-24-2008, 04:01 PM | #466 | |
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Someone would vote (or not) for a candidate based on a video? All I see is personal embarrassment for the people in it.
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03-24-2008, 04:10 PM | #468 |
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I know. I was reacting to your suggestion that this could be some sort of "sabotage." I'm questioning why someone would go through the trouble of "faking" a video like this to make McCain look bad. Would something like this really dissuade voters? And isn't it giving him press anyway? It would be one thing if it was created by his campaign - considering how ridiculous it is - but this appears to be just ordinary people.
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03-24-2008, 06:22 PM | #469 |
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Chief Rum, I think you asked about McCain and Gitmo. According to NPR this morning, they said McCain reiterated his view on closing down Gitmo. I can't find a news article about it, just what I heard.
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03-24-2008, 06:24 PM | #470 |
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I was just getting ready to post that video with the comment of "Dear Lord."
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Isn't it just a comedic take on the "Obama Girl" (and its copycats) video? Seems to me something that something in the opposite camp would produce and put out there...
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03-26-2008, 08:47 AM | #473 | |
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A great article on McCain's relations with the media on the NY Times Op-Ed page (and this is from someone that really likes McCain and may just end up voting for him in the end):
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03-29-2008, 04:29 PM | #475 |
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Not a whole lot of excitement right now from the Republican side of things. I guess we have to wait until Obama formally defeats Clinton for the last battle of this campaign season to get underway.
The way I see this breaking down is this, IMHO, McCain trumps Obama on the issues, but Obama trumps McCain on electability. So for me to get my guy in office, I am obviously concerned about the fact that he is gonna have a tough time getting elected. I think the first big choice McCain and Obama will make is their running mate. I have no idea who Obama wants, but I'm guessing John Edwards has a shot at it. I guess that's good, but I'm not sure. For McCain, like the '08 candidate list, there isn't much to get excited about. Or is there? I hope McCain asks Colin Powell to run with him. A McCain/Powell ticket is about as moderate as you can get from either side of the spectrum. Now, Obama is preaching "change you can believe in" and I wonder if the change America wants is radical, away from Bush to Obama or if the change America wants is just "away from Bush"? If it's the later, a McCain/Powell ticket could actually have a legitimate shot at the Presidency. |
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Regardless of Powell's problems with the WMD claims, Powell would result in McCain winning big. However, I doubt if Powell wants to get into politics again. From what I've read, he really didn't like butting heads in the White House with people like Cheney and Rumsfeld... and while they'll be gone, there will still be the butting heads over different views on things.
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03-29-2008, 04:37 PM | #477 |
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I'm pulling for McCain/Rice. And no, not Jim Rice.
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03-29-2008, 04:40 PM | #478 |
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That would be great for me, but I think most people think Rice is too close closely tied to Bush, whereas Powell has distanced himself thoroughly from Bush. But as of right now, Powell is strongly pro-family and without his wife's blessings, he ain't running. However, if he's moping around the house all day, he might just be annoying enough for her to let him run. |
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McCain/Rice would never happen. As Dutch said, Rice is too close to Bush (but a moderating force). And Rice doesn't seem to be all that happen with the politiking. She's a wonk and will be happy at NSA or State, but not with pressing the flesh and making speechs on a variety of subjects.
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Powell has also danced around with praise for Obama. I would think it very unlikely that he'd run against him.
I wouldn't be surprised to see McCain pick a Latino to try and split the Hispanic vote. Maybe Martinez in FL?
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Aside from Rice being a black woman, what's the appeal? She has been average at best at State and in her role as coordinator/assimilator of U.S. foreign policy/advice as NSA she was abysmal. There was never a single coherent vision emerging from the executive. I don't particularly despise her, but I really don't she what she's done that gets conservatives so excited.
And while this is rumor, the possibility that she's a lesbian will come up if she runs for office. Does McCain have time to deal with that? My guess is Rice stays away from elective office so she can avoid answering those questions.
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There is no way McCain will pick anyone tied to Bush2's administration. In the election, that is already partly the equalizer running against a black Dem. There is no reason for McCain to pick a black running mate since it wouldn't matter but I think JPhillips has a good thought in a Hispanic running mate (I am putting my money on an Obama/Richardson ticket). If theree is a Hispanic conservative from the South, that would be a slam dunk but I am still thinking that a Southern conservative with no ties to Bush2 will be the logical choice.
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I actually think it'll be Huckabee or Romney.
On another topic, once the Democratic nomination is over, will we see more of McCain's involvement in the S&L scandal as one of the "Keating 5" as a related topic to the subprime implosion? |
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No, that's ancient history in this attention deficit times. And no way it'll be Huckabee or Romney, imo. The reasons I said that are 1) McCain only recognizes 2 of the 3 pillars of Reagan conservatism (social con being the one he ignored) and 2) bad blood between he and Romney (just like Obama and Clinton). Last edited by Buccaneer : 03-29-2008 at 05:26 PM. |
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McCain just released his first campaign video for the general election.
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Buc: And putting a Mormon on the ticket will only further alienate religious conservatives.
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I think there's a decent chance the veep is Huckabee, in fact I think he's actually the most likely name right now - not that I think he's particularly likely, just more likely than anybody else you could think of. I don't think it would be a very creative pick, however.
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Something I said in the Dem thread really applies here. McCain has a difficult decision because he needs to fire up the base somehow if he wants to spark his fundraising. In February he only raised 11 million while Clinton/Obama raised 80 million. That disparity won't last one on one, but it's clear that the tepid support from the Republican base is keeping people's wallets closed.
With that in mind a Latino may not work. Does McCain have to pick a VP that pacifies the base and gets them to donate?
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Isn't it actually hard to find a viable latino right now?
I don't think he's going to find anyone better than Crist personally. |
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Psst! Crist is gay. Won't work.
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McCain = "100 more years in Iraq" isn't trumping anyone on the issues.
Campaign Finance? McCain is openly breaking the law with his name on it. Anti-Torture? Despite being tortured himself and publicly denouncing the use of torture bu the USA, McCain voted against banning torture. Religious Freedom? He criticizes Obama/Rev. Wright while seeking out and getting the endorsement of a very prolific anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish Rev. Hagee. Anti-Lobbyist? His campaign manager, chief political adviser, and senior advisers are all lobbyists. Foreign Policy? He doesn't even know who were fighting in Iraq. If this trumps Obama, then we're all fucked. |
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While I understand your points, I think Dutch was simply speaking to his opinion of the issues. More broadly, if you simply draw a line, one end each representing either Obama's generic position or McCain's generic position, and identify the exact midpoint, it could be claimed that more Americans will fall on McCain's side of the line than on Obama's. Undoubtedly in recent years the country has moved somewhat to the left, but how far to the left? |
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Well, I tried to be as clear as possible out of respect for the liberal majority, I guess some need boldy parts to help them limp along in the conversation. Last edited by Dutch : 03-30-2008 at 03:31 AM. |
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Once the dems choose a candidate and the reps see who *could* be president, the money will come in as it always does. It may end up that McCain gets a decent bump around the convention (once things are settled) and the dem nominee is faced with a somewhat exhausted treasury after the summer fight internally. Quote:
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