FOFC Draft: The Four Sport Challenge - Best Athletes in History - Page 10

ISiddiqui · 01-24-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by oykib

I don't want to give away any hints. But in a round or two, I think someone's going to make a pick that gives us a Ripken/Wagner situation with Robinson.

I'd say that's way too big of a hint, but I have two in mind that could fit the criteria

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Schmidty · 01-24-2006, 11:35 AM

Via list, kcchief selects:

8.6 Brett Favre - Football

Schmidty · 01-24-2006, 11:39 AM

I was shocked to see that he's still around:

8.7 John Elway - Football

Raiders Army · 01-24-2006, 11:42 AM

I would've taken Elway over Marino.

ISiddiqui · 01-24-2006, 11:48 AM

I would have taken Farve over both

. Then again, I may be a bit biased, since Farve is my favorite NFL player.

Maple Leafs · 01-24-2006, 11:53 AM

Not sure if voters will "get" the pick, but he seems like excellent value here:

8.8 Don Hutson, football

kcchief19 · 01-24-2006, 12:21 PM

I wanted to take Hutson, but I went with Favre because I thought he would have a bit more recognition. Forget Jerry Rice; Hutson was the receiver who revolutionized football. Just think how long his receiving touchdowns record stood -- and he played in an era when nobody threw the ball. Something like 1/4 of his career receptions were touchdowns, and he regularly had more yards receiving than entire teams had. When he retired, he had twice as many catches as the next best guy. He was the Babe Ruth of wide receivers.

Inevitably, my pick came down between Elway and Favre. I like that Elway was a two-sport star, had probably the strongest arm in league history and could drive teams nutty with his scrambles, but I went with Favre for his heart and grittiness. This is a guy who would play with his eyes popping out of his skull. He dragged the Packers to respectibility and finally won a Super Bowl because the team finally got him a defense. Elway finally won a Super Bowl when he had a great running back, a great receiver and a chop-blocking offensive line.

So, yes, I really picked Favre because I can't stand Old Horseface. Bastard.

TazFTW · 01-24-2006, 01:56 PM

With the ninth pick in the eigth round, Team Taz selects

Ray Bourque, hockey

Sublime 2 · 01-24-2006, 02:21 PM

I love Raymond Bourque!

DaddyTorgo · 01-24-2006, 03:00 PM

Elway over Marino...that's questionable at best.

Schmidty · 01-24-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Elway over Marino...that's questionable at best.

Do you mean in order of picks? Because you obviously took Marino before Elway. I tend to think of them as similar, but I give the edge to Elway because of his mobility and championship rings.

I was actually a little suprised you took Young first before the other two. He was great, but not Marino-Elway-Favre great.

DaddyTorgo · 01-24-2006, 03:57 PM

oh i plan on giving a little summarizing of my picks and making a good case for young. 1st ballet HOF, owns the highest lifetime QB rating (unless it was just surpassed)...dual threat both as a passer and a runner.

and marino I took over Elway because of the records man. the records the records. and marino did it all (relatively) alone versus Elway who had Sterling Sharpe and Terrell Davis, etc.

Schmidty · 01-24-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

oh i plan on giving a little summarizing of my picks and making a good case for young. 1st ballet HOF, owns the highest lifetime QB rating (unless it was just surpassed)...dual threat both as a passer and a runner.

and marino I took over Elway because of the records man. the records the records. and marino did it all (relatively) alone versus Elway who had Sterling Sharpe and Terrell Davis, etc.

Meh, Elway is a winner, and Marino isn't. They have similar talents (other than running ability), but Elway got it done in the clutch. People can make excuses about talent around him, but getting it done is getting it done.

ThunderingHERD · 01-24-2006, 04:23 PM

Shit, I figured with Favre, Marino, and Elway still on the board that one might fall to me.

kcchief19 · 01-24-2006, 04:31 PM

Young was a great athlete, but to me the knock against him is that early in his career both in the USFL and in Tampa Bay he was absolutely horrific ... not Ryan Leaf/Joey Harrington horrific, but horrific nonetheless. His one great statistic -- quarterback rating -- is a by-product of the fact that during his erratic youth when he would have made his most mistakes he spent four years mopping up after Joe Montana's victories and learning from the master. By the time of Montana's injury when he finally got his break, Young was much better prepared to succeed than Elway, Favre and Marino were who were thrust into being The Man with less experience and much greater success. If Young had spent those four years in Tampa Bay, he might have still one day found his greatness, but you could shave 10 points off his career quarterback rating.

Still, a great athlete, but I'd take the other three over him.

DaddyTorgo · 01-24-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

Young was a great athlete, but to me the knock against him is that early in his career both in the USFL and in Tampa Bay he was absolutely horrific ... not Ryan Leaf/Joey Harrington horrific, but horrific nonetheless. His one great statistic -- quarterback rating -- is a by-product of the fact that during his erratic youth when he would have made his most mistakes he spent four years mopping up after Joe Montana's victories and learning from the master. By the time of Montana's injury when he finally got his break, Young was much better prepared to succeed than Elway, Favre and Marino were who were thrust into being The Man with less experience and much greater success. If Young had spent those four years in Tampa Bay, he might have still one day found his greatness, but you could shave 10 points off his career quarterback rating.

Still, a great athlete, but I'd take the other three over him.

I could have taken Elway over him I suppose, and in hindsight i might have. but i would never take farve over young. no way

General Mike · 01-24-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

With the ninth pick in the eigth round, Team Taz selects

Ray Bourque, hockey

f*cker

General Mike · 01-24-2006, 05:29 PM

with the 10th pick, of the 8th round, the General Mike All-Stars select, Hakeem "the Dream" Olajuwon, basketball

Raiders Army · 01-24-2006, 05:32 PM

I got my two pix ready.

ThunderingHERD · 01-24-2006, 05:38 PM

With the 11th pick of the 8th round, I'll take Charles Barkley, basketball.

Raiders Army · 01-24-2006, 05:40 PM

8.11: Tom Seaver, Baseball
9.1: George "Meadowlark" Lemon, Basketball

Edit--That's George "Meadowlark" Lemon from the Harlem Globetrotters in case you guys didn't know. He was the heart and soul of the Harlem Globetrotters and was forever immortalized when he helped Scooby Doo solve mysteries.

Raiders Army · 01-24-2006, 05:40 PM

Less than 24 picks left to go in the draft!

vtbub · 01-24-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

8.11: Tom Seaver, Baseball
9.1: George Lemon, Basketball

Is George "Meadowlark"?

ThunderingHERD · 01-24-2006, 05:47 PM

9.2: O.J. Simpson

Yeh, I said it.

Raiders Army · 01-24-2006, 05:47 PM

I was wondering if anyone would recognize his name.

Raiders Army · 01-24-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

9.2: O.J. Simpson

Yeh, I said it.

Is that for football or for murder?

ThunderingHERD · 01-24-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Is that for football or for murder?

Travis · 01-24-2006, 05:52 PM

I love the Seaver pick. Played ball with a guy for a few years that had nearly identical pitching form. Ended up learning a lot about Seaver because of that similarity (prompted me to do some research and reading about his career). Good pick!

General Mike · 01-24-2006, 05:54 PM

9.3 Mike Bossy, hockey

TazFTW · 01-24-2006, 06:03 PM

With the fourth pick of the ninth round, Team Taz selects

Deion Sanders, football

ISiddiqui · 01-24-2006, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

8.11: Tom Seaver, Baseball

Great pick! I just couldn't believe he fell to the end of the 8th round.

oykib · 01-24-2006, 06:52 PM

I feel the same way about Hakeem Olajouwan. A truly excellent pick.

Maple Leafs · 01-24-2006, 07:29 PM

Mixed feelings about this pick... he's probably in the top ten all time and he's an unbeatable value at this spot. But I'm very hesitant because I suspect the voters won't know who he is. Ah well, let's go with...

9.5 Eddie Shore, hockey

Schmidty · 01-24-2006, 07:51 PM

9.6 "Pistol" Pete Maravich

This is a vote for a player I have seen a lot of video of (since he's a top 3 favorite), even though he never won anything in the NBA, but he was possibly the greatest college player ever. One thing is for sure (in my opinion), he was the most electric, exciting player EVER.

DaddyTorgo · 01-24-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Mixed feelings about this pick... he's probably in the top ten all time and he's an unbeatable value at this spot. But I'm very hesitant because I suspect the voters won't know who he is. Ah well, let's go with...

9.5 Eddie Shore, hockey

damm. i was hoping he'd slide down to me.

kcchief19 · 01-24-2006, 08:27 PM

I was wondering when OJ would go. Should have been an early round pick, but his stock falls for obvious reasons.

My last two picks will be interesting. First up is:

Dominique Wilkins- basketball

Top 10 all-time in scoring and the original "Human Highlight Reel."

Grammaticus · 01-24-2006, 08:35 PM

Hey, where is Lou Alcinder and Cassius Clay?

vex · 01-24-2006, 09:04 PM

9.8 - Guy Lafleur - Hockey

Travis · 01-25-2006, 12:48 AM

9.9 - Paul Coffey - Hockey

4 Stanley Cups
3 Norris Trophies
5 100+ point seasons
1409 GP, 396 G, 1135 A, 1531 Pts, 1800 PIM

vtbub · 01-25-2006, 11:57 AM

9.10 Ken Dryden- Hockey

Schmidty · 01-25-2006, 12:03 PM

Via list, RFUS selects:

9.11 Jacques Plante - Hockey

Schmidty · 01-25-2006, 12:04 PM

Via list, Daddy Torgo selects:

9.12 Marcel Dionne - Hockey

10.1 Josh "The Black Babe Ruth" Gibson - Baseball

Schmidty · 01-25-2006, 12:05 PM

Via list, RFUS selects:

10.2 George Gervin - Basketball

vtbub · 01-25-2006, 12:06 PM

10.3 Steffi Graf- Wildcard

Travis · 01-25-2006, 12:39 PM

10.4 - Warren Moon - Football

In all of professional football, nobody has thrown for more yards than he has. Had he spent his entire career in the NFL instead of being forced to choose an alternate route for the first 6 years of his career, Marino would likely be forced into second place in the record books.

Had it all during his prime, could make it happen with his legs, his head and his arm. Part of 5 straight Grey Cup Champions in 6 years playing in the CFL before going down to NFL where he continued his torrid pace.

CFL Awards

Grey Cup Champion: 1978-1982
CFL MVP: 1983

NFL Awards

AFC Player of the Year: 1989
AFC Offensive Player of the Year: 1990
Pro Bowl: 1988-95, 1997

Statistics

CFL: 1369 com, 2382 att, 21,228 yds, 144 TD, 77 Int
NFL: 3988 com, 6823 att, 49,325 yds, 291 TD, 233 Int
Tot: 5357 com, 9205 att, 70,553 yds, 435 TD, 310 Int

Yes, it's hard to compare his CFL years statistically, but what his numbers could have been with 6 more full seasons in the NFL would have been amazing.

oykib · 01-25-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Via list, Daddy Torgo selects:

9.12 Marcel Dionne - Hockey

10.1 Josh "The Black Babe Ruth" Gibson - Baseball

Love the Josh Gibson pick. The fact that you got him in the tenth round really makes it great.

Schmidty · 01-25-2006, 05:51 PM

Vexroid was on an our ago, but didn't make a pick. It's been almost 6 hours since the last pick. I think I should make the autopick for him since I made a rule and want to stick by it. Do you guys think that would be too harsh?

DaddyTorgo · 01-25-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by oykib

Love the Josh Gibson pick. The fact that you got him in the tenth round really makes it great.

yeah. i'd been eyeing him for the last probably...two sets of picks that I've made, but since I hadn't noticed anyone even leaning in that direction with their baseball picks I figured I was safe leaving him.

and you love the dionne pick too. 1300 NHL games, 1700 points. Best player to never hoist Lord Stanley's cup. Overshadowed by Gretzkey while he played, but no doubt a great hockey player.

edit: and RFUS stole Plante who was the other guy I was considering for that pick.

DaddyTorgo · 01-25-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Vexroid was on an our ago, but didn't make a pick. It's been almost 6 hours since the last pick. I think I should make the autopick for him since I made a rule and want to stick by it. Do you guys think that would be too harsh?

i hate to see that resorted to. maybe wait another hour or two, since he may be having dinner and mulling over his picks or something?

Schmidty · 01-25-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i hate to see that resorted to. maybe wait another hour or two, since he may be having dinner and mulling over his picks or something?

Yeah, I guess so, but this draft has been going on for 13 days. That's just insane. And mostly because people have failed to send their picks in. It's just frustrating.

01-24-2006, 11:35 AM	#452
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Via list, kcchief selects: 8.6 Brett Favre - Football __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-24-2006, 11:39 AM	#453
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I was shocked to see that he's still around: 8.7 John Elway - Football __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-24-2006, 11:48 AM	#455
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I would have taken Farve over both . Then again, I may be a bit biased, since Farve is my favorite NFL player. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-24-2006, 11:53 AM	#456
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Not sure if voters will "get" the pick, but he seems like excellent value here: 8.8 Don Hutson, football __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

01-24-2006, 01:56 PM	#458
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	With the ninth pick in the eigth round, Team Taz selects Ray Bourque, hockey __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

01-24-2006, 11:42 AM	#454
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I would've taken Elway over Marino.

01-24-2006, 12:21 PM	#457
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	I wanted to take Hutson, but I went with Favre because I thought he would have a bit more recognition. Forget Jerry Rice; Hutson was the receiver who revolutionized football. Just think how long his receiving touchdowns record stood -- and he played in an era when nobody threw the ball. Something like 1/4 of his career receptions were touchdowns, and he regularly had more yards receiving than entire teams had. When he retired, he had twice as many catches as the next best guy. He was the Babe Ruth of wide receivers. Inevitably, my pick came down between Elway and Favre. I like that Elway was a two-sport star, had probably the strongest arm in league history and could drive teams nutty with his scrambles, but I went with Favre for his heart and grittiness. This is a guy who would play with his eyes popping out of his skull. He dragged the Packers to respectibility and finally won a Super Bowl because the team finally got him a defense. Elway finally won a Super Bowl when he had a great running back, a great receiver and a chop-blocking offensive line. So, yes, I really picked Favre because I can't stand Old Horseface. Bastard.

01-24-2006, 02:21 PM	#459
Sublime 2 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Hampshire	I love Raymond Bourque!

01-24-2006, 03:00 PM	#460
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Elway over Marino...that's questionable at best.

01-24-2006, 03:57 PM	#462
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	oh i plan on giving a little summarizing of my picks and making a good case for young. 1st ballet HOF, owns the highest lifetime QB rating (unless it was just surpassed)...dual threat both as a passer and a runner. and marino I took over Elway because of the records man. the records the records. and marino did it all (relatively) alone versus Elway who had Sterling Sharpe and Terrell Davis, etc.

01-24-2006, 04:23 PM	#464
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Shit, I figured with Favre, Marino, and Elway still on the board that one might fall to me. __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

01-24-2006, 04:31 PM	#465
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Young was a great athlete, but to me the knock against him is that early in his career both in the USFL and in Tampa Bay he was absolutely horrific ... not Ryan Leaf/Joey Harrington horrific, but horrific nonetheless. His one great statistic -- quarterback rating -- is a by-product of the fact that during his erratic youth when he would have made his most mistakes he spent four years mopping up after Joe Montana's victories and learning from the master. By the time of Montana's injury when he finally got his break, Young was much better prepared to succeed than Elway, Favre and Marino were who were thrust into being The Man with less experience and much greater success. If Young had spent those four years in Tampa Bay, he might have still one day found his greatness, but you could shave 10 points off his career quarterback rating. Still, a great athlete, but I'd take the other three over him.

01-24-2006, 05:29 PM	#468
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	with the 10th pick, of the 8th round, the General Mike All-Stars select, Hakeem "the Dream" Olajuwon, basketball __________________ Boise Stampede Continental Football League Jacksonville Jaguars GM North American Football League Nebraska Coach FOFC-BBCF Rutgers & Washington coach Bowl Bound-BBCF

01-24-2006, 05:32 PM	#469
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I got my two pix ready.

01-24-2006, 05:38 PM	#470
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	With the 11th pick of the 8th round, I'll take Charles Barkley, basketball. __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

01-24-2006, 05:40 PM	#471
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	8.11: Tom Seaver, Baseball 9.1: George "Meadowlark" Lemon, Basketball Edit--That's George "Meadowlark" Lemon from the Harlem Globetrotters in case you guys didn't know. He was the heart and soul of the Harlem Globetrotters and was forever immortalized when he helped Scooby Doo solve mysteries. Last edited by Raiders Army : 01-24-2006 at 05:48 PM.

01-24-2006, 05:40 PM	#472
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Less than 24 picks left to go in the draft!

01-24-2006, 05:47 PM	#474
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	9.2: O.J. Simpson Yeh, I said it. __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

01-24-2006, 05:47 PM	#475
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I was wondering if anyone would recognize his name.

01-24-2006, 05:52 PM	#478
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	I love the Seaver pick. Played ball with a guy for a few years that had nearly identical pitching form. Ended up learning a lot about Seaver because of that similarity (prompted me to do some research and reading about his career). Good pick!

01-24-2006, 05:54 PM	#479
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	9.3 Mike Bossy, hockey __________________ Boise Stampede Continental Football League Jacksonville Jaguars GM North American Football League Nebraska Coach FOFC-BBCF Rutgers & Washington coach Bowl Bound-BBCF

01-24-2006, 06:03 PM	#480
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	With the fourth pick of the ninth round, Team Taz selects Deion Sanders, football __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

01-24-2006, 06:52 PM	#482
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I feel the same way about Hakeem Olajouwan. A truly excellent pick.

01-24-2006, 07:29 PM	#483
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Mixed feelings about this pick... he's probably in the top ten all time and he's an unbeatable value at this spot. But I'm very hesitant because I suspect the voters won't know who he is. Ah well, let's go with... 9.5 Eddie Shore, hockey __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

01-24-2006, 07:51 PM	#484
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	9.6 "Pistol" Pete Maravich This is a vote for a player I have seen a lot of video of (since he's a top 3 favorite), even though he never won anything in the NBA, but he was possibly the greatest college player ever. One thing is for sure (in my opinion), he was the most electric, exciting player EVER. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-24-2006, 08:27 PM	#486
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	I was wondering when OJ would go. Should have been an early round pick, but his stock falls for obvious reasons. My last two picks will be interesting. First up is: Dominique Wilkins- basketball Top 10 all-time in scoring and the original "Human Highlight Reel." Last edited by kcchief19 : 01-24-2006 at 08:28 PM.

01-24-2006, 08:35 PM	#487
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Hey, where is Lou Alcinder and Cassius Clay?

01-24-2006, 09:04 PM	#488
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	9.8 - Guy Lafleur - Hockey

01-25-2006, 12:48 AM	#489
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	9.9 - Paul Coffey - Hockey 4 Stanley Cups 3 Norris Trophies 5 100+ point seasons 1409 GP, 396 G, 1135 A, 1531 Pts, 1800 PIM

01-25-2006, 11:57 AM	#490
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	9.10 Ken Dryden- Hockey __________________

01-25-2006, 12:03 PM	#491
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Via list, RFUS selects: 9.11 Jacques Plante - Hockey __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-25-2006, 12:04 PM	#492
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Via list, Daddy Torgo selects: 9.12 Marcel Dionne - Hockey 10.1 Josh "The Black Babe Ruth" Gibson - Baseball __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-25-2006, 12:05 PM	#493
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Via list, RFUS selects: 10.2 George Gervin - Basketball __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-25-2006, 12:06 PM	#494
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	10.3 Steffi Graf- Wildcard __________________

01-25-2006, 12:39 PM	#495
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	10.4 - Warren Moon - Football In all of professional football, nobody has thrown for more yards than he has. Had he spent his entire career in the NFL instead of being forced to choose an alternate route for the first 6 years of his career, Marino would likely be forced into second place in the record books. Had it all during his prime, could make it happen with his legs, his head and his arm. Part of 5 straight Grey Cup Champions in 6 years playing in the CFL before going down to NFL where he continued his torrid pace. CFL Awards Grey Cup Champion: 1978-1982 CFL MVP: 1983 NFL Awards AFC Player of the Year: 1989 AFC Offensive Player of the Year: 1990 Pro Bowl: 1988-95, 1997 Statistics CFL: 1369 com, 2382 att, 21,228 yds, 144 TD, 77 Int NFL: 3988 com, 6823 att, 49,325 yds, 291 TD, 233 Int Tot: 5357 com, 9205 att, 70,553 yds, 435 TD, 310 Int Yes, it's hard to compare his CFL years statistically, but what his numbers could have been with 6 more full seasons in the NFL would have been amazing.