THEEE Ohio State Hit Hard by NCAA - The ruling is in - Page 10

britrock88 · 06-01-2011, 08:54 AM

Can we get back to ragging on that school down south?

Matthean · 06-01-2011, 10:07 AM

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Can we get back to ragging on that school down south?

I guess when they say they are THE Ohio State University we can say that's because they are the one with THE NCAA sanctions.

Honolulu_Blue · 06-01-2011, 03:45 PM

GrantDawg · 06-01-2011, 04:03 PM

Steve Spurrier suggested at the SEC meeting that 70 players per team get a $300 per game bonus. 7 out of 12 SEC coaches voted for it.

GrantDawg · 06-01-2011, 04:04 PM

BTW, he was suggesting the money come from the coaches.

BillJasper · 06-01-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Steve Spurrier suggested at the SEC meeting that 70 players per team get a $300 per game bonus. 7 out of 12 SEC coaches voted for it.

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BTW, he was suggesting the money come from the coaches.

That's about a quarter-mil a year. I'm sure he meant the money should come from the assistant coaches.

RainMaker · 06-01-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

No. Allowing outside "companies" to pay players without rules or structure is what is going to end up hurting the integrity of the game.

Currently, there are roughly 14,000 (by one count) Division I football players. The NCAA cannot even police the most obvious of infractions (see Ohio State/Terrell Pryor) and you want to open the flood gates with unregulated money.

You are openly saying that what happens on the field is no longer going to determine the results on Saturdays. That will be determined by people with financial interests in the players.

Those million dollar shoe contracts you keep babbling about are going to affect less than one-tenth of one percent of these kids and you better believe that many, many more kids are going to want to drive fast cars and have plenty of cash. Which is where you'll begin to see unsavory elements creep in.

You can debate whether or not the schools should be paying these kids beyond the benefits they already receive. But under your plan you're surrendering the integrity of the game.

That my friend... is just flat retarded.

So if a player is allowed to make money, they will throw games to make more money. If a player is not allowed to make money, they will not throw games to make money.

RainMaker · 06-01-2011, 04:33 PM

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Is this serious or are you trying to be obtuse?

They pay more than the bookies can afford.
If Peyton Maning ets caught throwing a game he lsoes 18MM a year. For a what 1MM payday?

Wouldn't this be just as much an issue if you didn't pay the players anything? His argument is that if you pay players, they will rig games. Why wouldn't players who can't make money and need it (like we have right now) have more incentive to do this?

BillJasper · 06-01-2011, 06:07 PM

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So if a player is allowed to make money, they will throw games to make more money. If a player is not allowed to make money, they will not throw games to make money.

I typed out a big response... but decided not to post. You've clearly made up your mind on the issue and no amount of evidence to the contrary seems to sway you.

I truly hope you get what you want, because shortly thereafter college football and basketball will get blasted back to the stone-age buried in unrelenting scandal.

Cheers.

RainMaker · 06-01-2011, 06:24 PM

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I typed out a big response... but decided not to post. You've clearly made up your mind on the issue and no amount of evidence to the contrary seems to sway you.

I truly hope you get what you want, because shortly thereafter college football and basketball will get blasted back to the stone-age buried in unrelenting scandal.

Cheers.

You don't need a long response, just clarifying that position. That allowing players to earn money will cause them to rig games but not allowing them to earn money won't.

And making bad assumptions is not providing evidence of anything, it's just making bad assumptions. If you have some proof of how allowing kids to have jobs will destroy the fabric of college athletics, please let us know.

GrantDawg · 06-01-2011, 06:53 PM

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That's about a quarter-mil a year. I'm sure he meant the money should come from the assistant coaches.

No, straight from the Head coaches. And more than half the coaches supported the idea.

molson · 06-01-2011, 07:29 PM

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No, straight from the Head coaches. And more than half the coaches supported the idea.

Was it a hypothetical straw poll or do they have any mechanism for actually doing that?

General Mike · 06-01-2011, 07:56 PM

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No, straight from the Head coaches. And more than half the coaches supported the idea.

What does he care, he'll just get a 250K raise from the University, or "someone" will pay him 250K for a speaking engagement and he'll call it a day.

Klinglerware · 06-01-2011, 11:13 PM

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Ohio State should get hammered with LOIC and severe penalties, and Ohio State faithful should demand the resignations of Smith and Gee for embarrassing their University.

Ahh E. Gordon Gee. Unbelievably (and for whatever it's worth), even Brown University's athletic program was sanctioned under his watch.

Matthean · 06-01-2011, 11:56 PM

So Pryor ups the ante of stupidity by not only driving cars he doesn't own to practice, but does so with a suspended license.

Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor driving privileges suspended in Ohio - ESPN

Atocep · 06-02-2011, 01:16 AM

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So Pryor ups the ante of stupidity by not only driving cars he doesn't own to practice, but does so with a suspended license.

Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor driving privileges suspended in Ohio - ESPN

He's either a bigger idiot than originally thought or he knows he's played his last game at OSU and just doesn't give a shit.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-02-2011, 06:35 AM

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He's either a bigger idiot than originally thought or he knows he's played his last game at OSU and just doesn't give a shit.

Can't it be both?

Suburban Rhythm · 06-02-2011, 07:30 AM

Not surprisingly, one of the local TV stations tried to get an interview with Pryor's mother. She wouldn't face the camera, and just said "he's being painted the wrong way!" before going into her house.

GrantDawg · 06-02-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

Was it a hypothetical straw poll or do they have any mechanism for actually doing that?

It was during the SEC coaches and AD meetings.

GrantDawg · 06-02-2011, 09:02 AM

Here is the full article. He actually wrote it up and had places for the coaches to sign. Steve Spurrier proposes that coaches pay players out of their own pockets | UGA sports blog

The signers were: Will Muschamp, Derek Dooley, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Houston Nutt, Dan Mullen and the Ole Ball Coach.

GrantDawg · 06-02-2011, 09:03 AM

And just to keep reposting because I think of something else, Mark Richt didn't, but he said every coach agrees with the idea of paying players for games, it is a matter of how.

GrantDawg · 06-02-2011, 09:16 AM

And one more note: The Big 10 also passed the idea of paying players a larger stipend in their spring meetings. The reporter stated this looks like not a matter of "if" but "when" for the larger conference schools, and the NCAA president has suggested he is open to the idea.

RainMaker · 06-02-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Here is the full article. He actually wrote it up and had places for the coaches to sign. Steve Spurrier proposes that coaches pay players out of their own pockets | UGA sports blog

The signers were: Will Muschamp, Derek Dooley, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Houston Nutt, Dan Mullen and the Ole Ball Coach.

It's just a recruiting stunt. "Hey blue chip recruit, I was in favor of getting you guys some extra money during the season while these other guys weren't. Who do you think is going to look out for you?".

Crapshoot · 06-02-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

No. Allowing outside "companies" to pay players without rules or structure is what is going to end up hurting the integrity of the game.

Currently, there are roughly 14,000 (by one count) Division I football players. The NCAA cannot even police the most obvious of infractions (see Ohio State/Terrell Pryor) and you want to open the flood gates with unregulated money.

You are openly saying that what happens on the field is no longer going to determine the results on Saturdays. That will be determined by people with financial interests in the players.

Those million dollar shoe contracts you keep babbling about are going to affect less than one-tenth of one percent of these kids and you better believe that many, many more kids are going to want to drive fast cars and have plenty of cash. Which is where you'll begin to see unsavory elements creep in.

You can debate whether or not the schools should be paying these kids beyond the benefits they already receive. But under your plan you're surrendering the integrity of the game.

That my friend... is just flat retarded.

What horseshit. Unsavory elements? My god, could you use more dog-whistles? Kids are getting screwed while coaches are minting money - there's no integrity in the game right now, so anything that breaks up the NCAA's hypocritical bullshit is an improvement.

dawgfan · 06-02-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

What horseshit. Unsavory elements? My god, could you use more dog-whistles? Kids are getting screwed while coaches are minting money - there's no integrity in the game right now, so anything that breaks up the NCAA's hypocritical bullshit is an improvement.

I don't disagree that the NCAA is filled with a lot of hypocrisy, but I challenge the contention that the "kids are getting screwed..."

If they're getting "screwed", how come you don't see kids heading straight for the CFL or Arena Leagues, or some enterprising young entrepreneurs starting up a football minor league?

Jay Paterno on paying college athletes

molson · 06-02-2011, 04:08 PM

Still waiting for that "they're already getting a great deal" argument to apply to coaches, university presidents, or tv networks for that matter. Why shouldn't coaches just be paid in graduate course scholarships and room and board?

JonInMiddleGA · 06-02-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The signers were: Will Muschamp, Derek Dooley, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Houston Nutt, Dan Mullen and the Ole Ball Coach.

Heh, some real paragons of virtue on that list

CU Tiger · 06-02-2011, 08:59 PM

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If they're getting "screwed", how come you don't see kids heading straight for the CFL or Arena Leagues, or some enterprising young entrepreneurs starting up a football minor league?

Because the NFl is the recognized daddy...and if you were to try. You'd be black balled and never land an NFL gig. Rocket wanted in the NFl after 1 year it took him 6 and he signed for min sal

Atocep · 06-02-2011, 09:11 PM

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Because the NFl is the recognized daddy...and if you were to try. You'd be black balled and never land an NFL gig. Rocket wanted in the NFl after 1 year it took him 6 and he signed for min sal

Rocket Ismail only played 2 years in the CFL before signing with the Raiders for 2 years $3 mil.

CU Tiger · 06-02-2011, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Rocket Ismail only played 2 years in the CFL before signing with the Raiders for 2 years $3 mil.

that should have read 3 not 6.
not sure why/how I typo'd that?
I thought for sure he spent 3 years in Canada.
That said wanst his first year min sal and his next back loaded so he could be cut?

To be fair, saying Al Davis went against the establishment is shocking?

Lathum · 06-02-2011, 10:01 PM

you know, the funny thing is people bitch and moan, etc... but college football is awesome. I say leave things the way they are.

RainMaker · 06-03-2011, 01:33 AM

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stevew · 06-03-2011, 01:46 AM

So, a friendly trip to KBB.com suggests that even the base trim version of the Nissan model that Pryor bought for "about 11000" has a value of about 18k.

Ksyrup · 06-03-2011, 06:35 AM

Yes, but once they are touched by a Buckeye, they depreciate quite quickly.

RainMaker · 06-07-2011, 05:06 PM

Pryor is out at OSU.

Attorney: Pryor won't return for senior season - ESPN

Ragone · 06-07-2011, 05:12 PM

Like rats jumping off a sinking ship.. who is next?

Scoobz0202 · 06-07-2011, 05:20 PM

Knew that was coming.

See ya later turd.

Lathum · 06-07-2011, 05:23 PM

In other news, Lance Bass is gay

Dr. Sak · 06-07-2011, 05:31 PM

First Tressel resigns for "best interest of Ohio State" & now Pryor leaves "in the best interest of (his) teammates." Gee, what noble men!

M GO BLUE!!! · 06-07-2011, 09:13 PM

Tressell was/is a damn good college coach and Pryor one hell of a talent. They will always embody to me what is is to be a Buckeye.

DeToxRox · 06-07-2011, 09:56 PM

Not a fan of the site but if this is legit evidence, oh boy.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/exclus...to-pryor-29745

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In addition to Pryor’s past NCAA transgressions, today I confirmed that Ohio State was recently cited by NCAA enforcment officials for dozens of payments Pryor received in past years from a Columbus sports memorabilia dealer that are considered outside of NCAA rules.

The NCAA violations were discovered when the name of the local memorabilia dealer, Dennis Talbott, was seen on checks Pryor was depositing in his personal bank account.

During Pryor’s time at Ohio State, Talbott paid him tens of thousands of dollars to sign Ohio State Buckeye memorabilia. Talbott currently lists a Pryor-signed item for sale on his Ebay sellers account, which is identified by the account name “infickelwetrust.”

Talbott, who has sold hundreds of sports memorabilia items on Ebay, recently switched to that account name from his old handle: “intresselwetrust.” Talbott currently lists 250 items for sale on the auction site, including Ohio State Buckeye football memorabilia.

Talboot, who is a professional sports photographer who has shot images appearing at SI.com and ESPN.com, often obtained media credentials from Ohio State in order to gain access to Buckeye football players.

Midway through the 2010 football season, Talbott was ordered by Ohio State officials to completely disassociate himself from the program. That indicates that administrative members of the OSU athletic department knew of Pryor’s activities involving Talbott long before the NCAA recently discovered the payments from Talbott to the former Buckeye quarterback

DaddyTorgo · 06-07-2011, 10:02 PM

$30-40k worth of payments to Prior apparently.

Ksyrup · 06-07-2011, 10:06 PM

ESPN article suggests it doesn't end with Pryor, either.

DeToxRox · 06-07-2011, 10:09 PM

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ESPN article suggests it doesn't end with Pryor, either.

One of Michigan's Rivals guys who is close with two writers for the Dispatch said the other shoe is dropping soon and the Pryor stuff will pale in comparison.

RedKingGold · 06-07-2011, 10:58 PM

Life Rule #1: Never trust in fickel.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-08-2011, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

One of Michigan's Rivals guys who is close with two writers for the Dispatch said the other shoe is dropping soon and the Pryor stuff will pale in comparison.

Been hearing this for a while. Thought it would be SI to break it. We've only seen the tip of the iceberg. Will be very interesting to see how the NCAA handles this.

Kodos · 06-08-2011, 07:28 AM

I vote: DEATH PENALTY! Who's coming with me?!?

Stinky · 06-08-2011, 07:51 AM

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I vote: DEATH PENALTY! Who's coming with me?!?

I am an OSU alum and I think I'm on board at this point. This a complete failure from players, coaches, administration, and fans from a program that should have learned the lesson from the Clarett mess. The whole coaching staff is still in place other than Tressel including his f'ing brother. Why? They should clear house at this point including the AD. If they can't keep track of the highest profile player in the program, they're too incompetent to stay.

Ragone · 06-08-2011, 08:38 AM

Most d1 programs probably have some degree of dirt that would be found if the ncaa/media really started digging.. but nothing in comparison to the epic fail that is ohio state compliance.

Death penalty needs to happen, plus banning ohio state from playing football this year, i'm convinced no one on this team is innocent, including the players.

At least we have solace in the fact that pryor would be taking a pay cut going to the cfl..

DeToxRox · 06-08-2011, 11:53 AM

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GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Here is the full article. He actually wrote it up and had places for the coaches to sign. Steve Spurrier proposes that coaches pay players out of their own pockets \| UGA sports blog The signers were: Will Muschamp, Derek Dooley, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Houston Nutt, Dan Mullen and the Ole Ball Coach.

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GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	And just to keep reposting because I think of something else, Mark Richt didn't, but he said every coach agrees with the idea of paying players for games, it is a matter of how.

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