League Idea - Page 2

Joe · 12-12-2005, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Sounds fair to me. Anyone else? And who will commish this (I can provide webspace, but have no experience in being a commish)

I would like to volunteer to be a commish for this possible league. If someone could help with logos for a webpage (HA?), it would be all good. I am only using 1/10th of my allotted bandwidth for my FOF league and have plenty of disk space, so it could work on my end.

WVUFAN · 12-12-2005, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

I would like to volunteer to be a commish for this possible league. If someone could help with logos for a webpage (HA?), it would be all good. I am only using 1/10th of my allotted bandwidth for my FOF league and have plenty of disk space, so it could work on my end.

I'm cool with that.

Passacaglia · 12-12-2005, 08:23 AM

So here's a question...what should the 'level' prestige be? I say it should be 0, and we all try to work our way up to powerhouses, rather than 50, and we work our way up or down. Some tests might help us decide which is better, though. If no one else does, I'll work on it when I ever have time to get the damn game!

Anthony · 12-12-2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

If someone could help with logos for a webpage (HA?), it would be all good.

oh, and you know this.

Anthony · 12-12-2005, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So here's a question...what should the 'level' prestige be? I say it should be 0, and we all try to work our way up to powerhouses, rather than 50, and we work our way up or down. Some tests might help us decide which is better, though. If no one else does, I'll work on it when I ever have time to get the damn game!

my opinion is if you start at 0, there's nowhere to go but up, but if you start at 50 prestige, then there's that clear indicator of what teams are on the up and up and which teams are shitting themselves.

Ben E Lou · 12-12-2005, 08:35 AM

I just talked to Arlie. Zero definitely will not work. Only 1 and 2 star recruits would ever, ever commit. Higher-level recruits have a minimum prestige that they'll accept. I asked what he'd recommend, and he said that we would "probably" be ok setting everyone at 55, but he needed to check and make sure.

Passacaglia · 12-12-2005, 08:37 AM

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Only 1 and 2 star recruits would ever, ever commit.

Depending on the direction we want the league to take, that may not be a problem.

Ben E Lou · 12-12-2005, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Depending on the direction we want the league to take, that may not be a problem.

I would think it would. I don't think there are enough 1-2 star recruits to fill up every team. We'd have teams with dozens of walk-ons, I think. Let me go check the game for a sec...

Ben E Lou · 12-12-2005, 08:45 AM

There would be enough to fill up every team, but just barely. I'd almost guarantee that there'd be major issues at some positions, though, with not enough players.

Ben E Lou · 12-12-2005, 08:50 AM

OK...more from Arlie on the 0-prestige idea, cut and pasted with his permission:

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Arlie says:
I agree 100%
Ben Lewis says:

Ben Lewis says:
i knew you were a bright kid
Ben Lewis says:
hey...remind me what the max prestige gain in a season is...we're talking about playing an everyone-at-the-same-prestige league
Ben Lewis says:
is it liek 5?
Arlie says:
probably 3-4
Ben Lewis says:
even if you were at zero?
Arlie says:
Oh
Ben Lewis says:
(which has been brought up, believe it or not)
Arlie says:
at zero?
Arlie says:
that would not work
Arlie says:
recruits have a minimum prestige they will accept
Ben Lewis says:
ah
Arlie says:
so, only the 1 and 2 starts would commit
Ben Lewis says:
so, what's the minimum for a 5-star
Arlie says:
and, on the flip side, if you did everyone at 100, no lower stars or transfers would ever work
Ben Lewis says:
so, what would you recommend?
Arlie says:
You would probably be OK setting everyone at 55
Arlie says:
but I will check and make sure
Arlie says:
55-60 would work
Arlie says:
all recruits would consider you
Arlie says:
and everyone would start out with a chance at a solid roster
Ben Lewis says:
'k
Ben Lewis says:
thanks!
Ben Lewis says:
ah...one more question
Ben Lewis says:
IF we decided to do a league where we set it to zero and only 1-2 star guys got signed, two questions:
Ben Lewis says:
1. Would high-caliber guys show up due to being on watch lists?
Ben Lewis says:
2. How much prestige increase would there be for a 0-prestige team that went 12-0 and won the national title?
Arlie says:
1. perhaps - although it would be more on state and region
Arlie says:
2. 7-8, maybe 10 depending on other factors (recruiting class)
Arlie says:
bear in mind
Arlie says:
what you guys are going with that would be akin to buying a Porshe to tow a U-Haul
Arlie says:
the game isn't designed to be played in that manner
Arlie says:

Ben Lewis says:
oh..completely understood
Ben Lewis says:
i'm NOT in favor of 0-prestige, i think it is stupid
Arlie says:
a "safe" way would be 50-55
Ben Lewis says:
but i just want to give them accurate info to see what we might be getting into
Arlie says:
you could get errors too
Arlie says:
I really don't know
Arlie says:
you would be pretty safe at 50
Ben Lewis says:
so, 4-5 star recruits would just pick a school in week 17 then, not based on much?
Ben Lewis says:
(oh, and do you mind me cutting and pasting this conversation?)
Arlie says:
but with a bunch of 0 prestige schools, some lists would be empty
Arlie says:
nah, that's fine
Ben Lewis says:
ok..thanks
Arlie says:
to your question, yes, the best recruits would end up being reassigned on a combo of state, region and need
Arlie says:
not all that fun if you ask me
Arlie says:

Passacaglia · 12-12-2005, 09:01 AM

That's interesting reading. What's the lowest prestige a team has in the game? Comments like that make me worried that prestige is handled like TCY, where even the worst schools had prestige in the 50s. I still don't think the idea is "stupid" it has its merits -- like I said, "depending on the direction we want the league to take" but I'm fine either way.

MalcPow · 12-12-2005, 09:05 AM

I would be in for a "fictional" league. Kind of along the lines of HA's feelings, I could then pretend Georgetown has a football program.

Ben E Lou · 12-12-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What's the lowest prestige a team has in the game?

Initial prestige ranges from 25-80

Bonegavel · 12-12-2005, 01:08 PM

Count me in on a fictional even prestige league (50-55 per Arlie's info).

Ben E Lou · 12-12-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I still don't think the idea is "stupid" it has its merits -- like I said, "depending on the direction we want the league to take" but I'm fine either way.

Ah, and that was a bit harsh, and not quite indicative of what I really meant. I forgot that I said that privately to Arlie, too. Oops. Given the conversations I'd had previously with Arlie about how some things worked, I had a strong suspicion that the it wouldn't handle such a large shift from the intended method of play. Yes, the game can be customized to point, but we must remember that it would be unrealistic to expect Arlie to program the AI in a first-generation game to respond well to every single idea that someone could come up with.

Passacaglia · 12-12-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Ah, and that was a bit harsh, and not quite indicative of what I really meant. I forgot that I said that privately to Arlie, too. Oops. Given the conversations I'd had previously with Arlie about how some things worked, I had a strong suspicion that the it wouldn't handle such a large shift from the intended method of play. Yes, the game can be customized to point, but we must remember that it would be unrealistic to expect Arlie to program the AI in a first-generation game to respond well to every single idea that someone could come up with.

Fair enough. I'll just have to do it in a single-player game, and screw all y'all!

Bonegavel · 12-12-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Ah, and that was a bit harsh, and not quite indicative of what I really meant. I forgot that I said that privately to Arlie, too. Oops. Given the conversations I'd had previously with Arlie about how some things worked, I had a strong suspicion that the it wouldn't handle such a large shift from the intended method of play. Yes, the game can be customized to point, but we must remember that it would be unrealistic to expect Arlie to program the AI in a first-generation game to respond well to every single idea that someone could come up with.

Ben has no thought filters.

Actually, the idea isn't stupid at all. Passacaglia just didn't know it worked that way and to be honest, it makes more sense that the players should adapt to the prestige levels available which would allow a lot more diversity in game options.

Starting prestige at 0 makes sense when you think about the start of an Association.

Now, get back to your dynasty! I'm hooked.

Ben E Lou · 12-12-2005, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonegavel

I'm hooked.

And I'm 1 and dadgum 23.

Ben E Lou · 12-12-2005, 01:44 PM

In all seriousness, I'm starting to think I should have started with a real-life league or an even-Prestige one for my *first* real career. I'm considering shelving that career for a while and getting a little better at the game before I continue it. We'll see. I don't really have any time to play again until late tonight or tomorrow morning, so I'll chew on it some. I've finished the next recruiting stage, and signed no one with more than one star. I set Columbus to have lower Prestige than anyone else in the universe (I think by 5-10 points). Maybe I'm in over my head for now.

st.cronin · 12-12-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

And I'm 1 and dadgum 23.

I want to play in a league with people like you.

Daimyo · 12-12-2005, 02:00 PM

Assuming there is a reliable commish I think a fictional league with equal starts might actually get me to buy the game.

Daimyo · 12-12-2005, 02:00 PM

Out there idea: Is it possible to have a promotion/relegation system? Might be cool for a fictional league if possible.

Kodos · 12-12-2005, 02:01 PM

I think this should be called "A League of Their Own".

VPI97 · 12-12-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

Out there idea: Is it possible to have a promotion/relegation system? Might be cool for a fictional league if possible.

From looking at the game's database, that should be fairly easy to implement. For promotion/relegation, it would work the same as conference realignment, which (theoretically) is doable by editing the database at a particular point.

Anthony · 12-12-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

From looking at the game's database, that should be fairly easy to implement. For promotion/relegation, it would work the same as conference realignment, which (theoretically) is doable by editing the database at a particular point.

rather intriguing. i embrace thinking outside of the box and using a game in ways a developer might not have even imagined.

KWhit · 12-12-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

Out there idea: Is it possible to have a promotion/relegation system? Might be cool for a fictional league if possible.

Hmmm... That could be fun.

Have different conferences that represent tiers of excellence. After the first season, all conference winners are promoted into the A1 conference. 2nd places get in the A2 conference, etc. All teams in the top conference get xx points added to their prestige - A2 conference teams get a smaller bump in their prestige. Then at the end of each subsequent season, the worst team(s) are relegated, and the conference winner is promoted.

That sounds like fun to me!

Kodos · 12-12-2005, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

rather intriguing. i embrace thinking outside of the box and using a game in ways a developer might not have even imagined.

Kindof like the way you've used a sandwich in a way that it's maker didn't intend?

Anthony · 12-12-2005, 02:27 PM

damn, i'm sexy.

Ben E Lou · 12-12-2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

rather intriguing. i embrace thinking outside of the box and using a game in ways a developer might not have even imagined.

Of course, the problem with that was stated by Arlie: "You could get errors too. I really don't know." If the developer didn't imagine it being played that way, then the odds are that it hasn't been tested in that way, which means there's at least a chance that you could crash the game down the road in trying to do so. I'd want to know that anything outside of the box had been well-tested by the commish before investing the time into the beginning of the league, then finding out that after the first season we couldn't continue or something like that.

Anthony · 12-12-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Of course, the problem with that was stated by Arlie: "You could get errors too. I really don't know." If the developer didn't imagine it being played that way, then the odds are that it hasn't been tested in that way, which means there's at least a chance that you could crash the game down the road in trying to do so. I'd want to know that anything outside of the box had been well-tested by the commish before investing the time into the beginning of the league, then finding out that after the first season we couldn't continue or something like that.

oh, of course. as someone mentioned earlier, this *is* a first generation game, afterall. even if it's not doable at this point in time, it's nice to know that the game has some wiggle room and can bend a little bit, and isn't as black and white as some other games are.

VPI97 · 12-12-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Of course, the problem with that was stated by Arlie: "You could get errors too. I really don't know." If the developer didn't imagine it being played that way, then the odds are that it hasn't been tested in that way, which means there's at least a chance that you could crash the game down the road in trying to do so. I'd want to know that anything outside of the box had been well-tested by the commish before investing the time into the beginning of the league, then finding out that after the first season we couldn't continue or something like that.

Yep...which is why I spend my weekend testing out crap like this on BBCF

I posted a question to Arlie in the other thread regarding database realignment, but I guess I should have posted it on the GDS site if I wanted a quick answer...

Joe · 12-12-2005, 07:14 PM

ok, so are we leaning towards completely fictional, 1-AA schools, a mix, or what? I'd favor fictional.

I will get a message board up on my site tonight for further discussion

Joe · 12-12-2005, 07:45 PM

I've put up a message board for discussion. Register if you wish and float some ideas or create polls or whatever.

Joe · 12-12-2005, 07:47 PM

http://www.joenitedstatesofamerica.com/phpbb

Daimyo · 12-12-2005, 08:24 PM

I think fictional is good, but if someone wants to use a real college name they should be allowed.

Joe · 12-12-2005, 08:45 PM

I spent my first 2 years of college at a Division 2 school, I think it would be cool to see some of those teams in a league. Go NSIC!

JeeberD · 12-12-2005, 08:49 PM

*Tries to resist claiming Sam Houston State since he's in too many damn leagues as it is*

Joe · 12-12-2005, 08:51 PM

give in to temptation jeebs

12-12-2005, 08:35 AM	#56
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I just talked to Arlie. Zero definitely will not work. Only 1 and 2 star recruits would ever, ever commit. Higher-level recruits have a minimum prestige that they'll accept. I asked what he'd recommend, and he said that we would "probably" be ok setting everyone at 55, but he needed to check and make sure. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-12-2005, 08:45 AM	#59
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	There would be enough to fill up every team, but just barely. I'd almost guarantee that there'd be major issues at some positions, though, with not enough players. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-12-2005, 01:08 PM	#64
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	Count me in on a fictional even prestige league (50-55 per Arlie's info). __________________

12-12-2005, 01:44 PM	#69
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	In all seriousness, I'm starting to think I should have started with a real-life league or an even-Prestige one for my first real career. I'm considering shelving that career for a while and getting a little better at the game before I continue it. We'll see. I don't really have any time to play again until late tonight or tomorrow morning, so I'll chew on it some. I've finished the next recruiting stage, and signed no one with more than one star. I set Columbus to have lower Prestige than anyone else in the universe (I think by 5-10 points). Maybe I'm in over my head for now. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-12-2005, 08:49 PM	#87
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Tries to resist claiming Sam Houston State since he's in too many damn leagues as it is __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

12-12-2005, 08:23 AM	#53
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	So here's a question...what should the 'level' prestige be? I say it should be 0, and we all try to work our way up to powerhouses, rather than 50, and we work our way up or down. Some tests might help us decide which is better, though. If no one else does, I'll work on it when I ever have time to get the damn game!

12-12-2005, 09:01 AM	#61
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	That's interesting reading. What's the lowest prestige a team has in the game? Comments like that make me worried that prestige is handled like TCY, where even the worst schools had prestige in the 50s. I still don't think the idea is "stupid" it has its merits -- like I said, "depending on the direction we want the league to take" but I'm fine either way.

12-12-2005, 09:05 AM	#62
MalcPow College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego	I would be in for a "fictional" league. Kind of along the lines of HA's feelings, I could then pretend Georgetown has a football program.

12-12-2005, 02:00 PM	#71
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	Assuming there is a reliable commish I think a fictional league with equal starts might actually get me to buy the game.

12-12-2005, 02:01 PM	#73
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I think this should be called "A League of Their Own".

12-12-2005, 02:27 PM	#78
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	damn, i'm sexy.

12-12-2005, 07:14 PM	#82
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	ok, so are we leaning towards completely fictional, 1-AA schools, a mix, or what? I'd favor fictional. I will get a message board up on my site tonight for further discussion

12-12-2005, 07:45 PM	#83
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	I've put up a message board for discussion. Register if you wish and float some ideas or create polls or whatever.

12-12-2005, 07:47 PM	#84
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	http://www.joenitedstatesofamerica.com/phpbb

12-12-2005, 08:24 PM	#85
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	I think fictional is good, but if someone wants to use a real college name they should be allowed.

12-12-2005, 08:45 PM	#86
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	I spent my first 2 years of college at a Division 2 school, I think it would be cool to see some of those teams in a league. Go NSIC!

12-12-2005, 08:51 PM	#88
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	give in to temptation jeebs

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