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2006 World Cup Preliminary Groupings
The actual allocation of groups for next year's Cup will occur on Friday but I just found out that a preliminary grouping of teams has occured to seed some teams before the draw takes place. Each of the 8 World Cup groups will have one team from each group below.
The top 8 seeds are : Brazil, Germany, England, Italy, Argentina, France, Spain and Mexico. Asia/CONCACAF: Iran, Japan, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Costa Rica, Trinidad & Tobago and USA. [ my source listed only 7 teams here but I think it's supposed to be Serbia and Montenegro since it was the lowest ranked European team ] European: Croatia, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland and Ukraine. Africa,South America and Oceania : Ghana, Ivory Coast, Tunisia, Angola, Togo, Ecuador, Paraguay and Australia. So for example, the USA could be placed with Mexico, Poland and Ghana . . . or Brazil, Ukraine and Australia . . . or . . . And I can't wait to see which group gets christened the "Group of Death". The media has to do this every time to one group that comprises the best teams - or the most evenly matched ones. I'm interested in seeing which group Australia gets in. |
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12-07-2005, 12:11 AM | #2 |
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In my mind, there's about a 31.2% chance of the U.S. drawing something that the public would call a "group of death", and a 13.1 % chance of us landing a group that would have us in really deep doo-doo (as in I don't like our chances with the seed or the pot 3 Euro, and the pot 2 side is dangerous too).
As expected in this announcement: The seeds, despite rampant speculation (fueled in part by some comments from Blatter) that FIFA would make changes Surprises: Serbia and Montenegro getting separated out beforehand (previously, it's just been the leftover team) although this does make sense from the POV of competitive equity; FIFA altering the seeding formula in a way that doesn't change who the seeds are Things we didn't predict but that aren't really big surprises either: Allocation of pots 2 and 4 -- the last two WCs, CONCACAF was grouped with CAF so many observers though it probable that the same would be done this time, and also, with CONCACAF grouped with AFC the extra Euro could have gone into either pot.
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12-07-2005, 12:14 AM | #4 |
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I can't wait to see how the US does in Germany.
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12-07-2005, 12:24 AM | #5 | |
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12-07-2005, 12:25 AM | #6 |
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12-07-2005, 12:25 AM | #7 |
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I don't know much about how the groups are drawn in the World Cup. What is the significance of having Serbia & Montenegro in a spot by itself? How does that differ from them being in pot four?
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12-07-2005, 01:15 AM | #8 |
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USA will be in a Pot with Italy, Paraguay, and Czech Republic
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12-07-2005, 01:27 AM | #9 |
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I do not think we can be in a pool with Mexico.
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12-07-2005, 01:48 AM | #10 |
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Cant be in a group with a member from the same region. Except the Euro countries
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12-07-2005, 02:17 AM | #12 | |
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12-07-2005, 05:54 AM | #13 | |
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live draw on friday
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12-07-2005, 06:45 AM | #14 | |
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hxxp://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/051202/1/5g1d.html Not familiar with the whole thing since Australia's not been there for so long. Actually I was just reading this pdf file which showed that the USA missed being a top seed by 1 point. hxxp://eur.i1.yimg.com/eu.download.yahoo.com/fifa/fu/finaldrawpot1.pdf |
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12-07-2005, 06:47 AM | #15 |
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Anybody know if its going to be on ESPN News?
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12-07-2005, 06:49 AM | #16 |
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The schedule says Friday at 4 pm EST on ESPN2.
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12-07-2005, 03:51 PM | #17 |
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One easy way around the whole extra pot/Serbia business would have been to put Holland as a top 8 seed (or whichever other european 's ranked higher) instead of Mexico, put Mexico back in the Asia/concacaf and Serbia back in the european pot...
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12-07-2005, 04:33 PM | #18 |
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Holland couldn't even make the last world cup, they shouldn't be a top 8 seed.
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12-07-2005, 08:20 PM | #19 |
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Why is Mexico a top 8 seed? How does it work that a team that the U.S. has basically dominated over the past couple years get in over the U.S.? Maybe I just don't understand the reasoning but someone help me out here...
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12-07-2005, 08:32 PM | #20 |
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hxxp://eur.i1.yimg.com/eu.download.yahoo.com/fifa/fu/finaldrawpot1.pdf
That pdf page link gives a rundown on how the top seedings were decided. I think it comes down to the fact that Mexico has had a higher ranking for the last two years ( that would involve another web search ) and they had performed better in the last couple of World Cups. I'm not sure that head-to-head performance played a part. |
12-07-2005, 08:36 PM | #21 |
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Sounds reasonable. That utter crap showing in France in 1998 is probably what's killing the US. They were knockout stage qualifiers in 1994 and quarterfinalists in 2002, but finished DFL in the 1998 event. (1-0 Iran, anyone? Ugh.)
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12-07-2005, 10:06 PM | #23 | |
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You may also note that they include 2003, 2004, and 2005 FIFA rankings. What you may not realize is that each FIFA ranking includes eight years of results, weighted 8-7-6-.... As a result, it is a reasonable approximation to say that the most important year of results for the U.S. as far as FIFA ranking goes is 2003. In that year, we went 0-1-2 (WDL) at the Confed Cup (the losses against top 10 sides Brazil and Turkey) and also went out in the semifinals of the Gold Cup (against Brazil, IIRC). Those results are also a significant reason why we're not seeded.
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12-08-2005, 12:15 PM | #24 | |
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The seedings system looked at teams' record in the 2002 and 1998 finals and their world ranking over the last three years. Under the seedings system Brazil have 64 points followed by England (51), Spain (50), Germany (48), Mexico (47), France (46), Argentina (44) and Italy (44). The USA had 43 points and Holland 38. Under the new seeding system, performances at the 2002 World Cup were given twice as much weight as at 1998, and the only surprise was that FIFA decided against using performances at the 1994 finals. |
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12-08-2005, 02:46 PM | #25 |
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Although that one change didn't change the actual selection of seeded teams at all, although there were some changes in relative ordering.
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