01-11-2005, 04:49 PM | #1 | ||
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NCAAB: Joe Crawford leaves Kentucky
Just saw on Detroit news that Joe Crawford, one of the nations top recruits last year, has left UK and is contemplating coming home to Michigan to play for the Wolverines.
I'll get the story when I find it, but they did show Tubby Smith answering questions about it at a press conference, so it's legit. |
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01-11-2005, 04:57 PM | #2 |
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i thought this was about Joe Crawford the referee
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01-11-2005, 05:07 PM | #3 |
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That's interesting, considering he originally committed to Michigan then backed out
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01-11-2005, 05:10 PM | #4 |
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Exactly. That is why I am shocked he even mentioned Michigan but you just never know with these kids.
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01-11-2005, 05:16 PM | #5 |
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Being a UK fan I'm been following this for a couple days now. Really a bad move for the guy. UK is going to hold him to his letter of intent, and thus he will be penalized a year of eligibility for not completing a full year for us. Therefore he will be a junior with 1.5 years of eligibility remaining when he is allowed to play for his new team at this time next season.
Personally, I don't want a guy that is going to quit on his team midway through the season because of much time he got against Kansas. He's 6th on the team in playing time, but from what I've heard he and his dad were livid about only getting 3 minutes against KU. I hope he doesn't let the door hit himself on the way out. |
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01-11-2005, 05:18 PM | #7 |
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There's a thread with 70+ posts about him over at the IlliniBoard if you're at all interested in an Illini perspective.
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01-11-2005, 05:29 PM | #8 |
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Yeah, that's a pretty good objective thread. The Tubby Smith bashers that had been gone for a few years are back on the Kentucky board now. If we lose to Vandy tomorrow all hell is going to break lose on our board... Doubt I'll be reading it for a while.
Though if he transfers he WILL be a junior with 1.5 years left by the time he can play. Only a few people in that thread were getting that. Last edited by TargetPractice6 : 01-11-2005 at 05:30 PM. |
01-12-2005, 01:49 AM | #9 |
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There's been small talk of it on my Wright State board. They're dreaming of getting him, but I think it's unrealistic. Ya never know though
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This is wrong on so many fronts. Kentucky announced that they had released him from his letter of intent, which means he has to sit out a year, and loses no eligibility. If they had not released him, he would have had to wait two years and then lost one of eligibility (only because of the four in five rule). There is no case where a player only waits a year upon transfer but loses eligibility. Besides, there is no way UK would ever fail to release someone who wanted to leave, one because Tubby is so classy, its hard to force a kid to stay who is miserable, and two, becuase it is recruiting scuicide - failing to release even one kid is used against them from then on. With rare exceptions, people who want to transfer are released.
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01-12-2005, 10:40 AM | #11 |
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Why did he/is he leaving KU?
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There's been mention of him on the UTEP board as well since we have another Detroit kid (Vernon Carr) on the roster. I really, really doubt we get him, though...
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http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/memb...ncial_aid.html "If the student-athlete does not enroll at that institution for a full academic year, he/she may be subject to specific penalties, including loss of a season of eligibility and a mandatory residence requirement." http://www.national-letter.org/faq/#transferring "What happens if I change my mind and do not want to attend the institution with which I sign and want to attend another National Letter of Intent institution? If you do not attend the institution with which you signed, or if you do not fulfill the terms of the National Letter of Intent, the basic penalty is that you lose one year of eligibility and must serve one year in residence at your next National Letter of Intent institution. " So evidentally there is a case where a player only waits one year and loses a year of eligibility. Last edited by TargetPractice6 : 01-12-2005 at 12:03 PM. |
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He's leaving because he doesn't feel he was getting enough playing time. He was 6th on the team in minutes, but never really did all that much to warrant more playing time. He has the 2nd worst shooting percentage on the team of players who have taken more than 40 shots (I think) and has the worst 3 pointer percentage on the team. |
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01-12-2005, 12:25 PM | #15 | |
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If I were him I would have waited till season's end. Who knows what could happen between now and then. Plus passing up a chance to go deep into the tournament.....ughhhh.
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The article is wrong. The only "release" an institution can give is from the NLI, because that is the only thing that gives him an obligation to the institution. He can leave the university without their permission or release. Saying they are releasing him means they are releasing him from the obligation of his NLI.
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01-12-2005, 12:48 PM | #19 |
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I've heard this story too, but I've heard that Crawford wants to play for State and not the Wolverines.
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Believe what you want, but the release IS from the NLI, Crawford will be playing after the fall semester next year, and will not lose eligibility because Kentucky is releasing him from his NLI. Please note that in the completely unrelated crap you quote above, that such written permission is not called a release. The ONLY release a school can/needs to give is release from the NLI.
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http://www.courier-journal.com/cjspo...2new-7910.html "Freshman guard Joe Crawford, who left the University of Kentucky basketball team Monday, has been given permission to talk with other schools about transferring, but he risks the possibility of losing a year of eligibility if he leaves UK now. " "UK has the option of waiving that penalty, which would allow Crawford to retain his full eligibility, but athletic spokesman Scott Stricklin said yesterday that school officials are leaning the other way. "We're inclined to hold him to his commitment (to UK), but no decision has been reached on that," Stricklin said. " Now, what do you have that says otherwise since you seem to know it all despite everything I've given you to the contrary. Last edited by TargetPractice6 : 01-12-2005 at 01:00 PM. |
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For some people, enough is never enough is it? 10-2 and after a loss to the #2 team in the country (granted, it was in Rupp) is "the sky is falling". Not that we don't have those same types here who would go torches and pitchforks when Roy Williams only had a 20-10 season Quote:
I figured TP would clear this up Never mind that University of Kansas becomes KU while University of Kentucky is UK but whatever SI
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I guess Kansas has just always known their role.
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You mean you finally beat us in Lexington for the first time in the 55 years we've been playing each other? And you even managed to improve your record against Kentucky to 19-4! You corn farmers should enjoy it since it may be another 15 years before you beat us again.
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Not that I should correct you, but they should teach you bluegrass hicks that winning doesn't move your record from 3-19 to 19-4 but to 4-19 SI
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I just did that so you would be forced to correct your own losing record.
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Sure...
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At least you are one of those Kansas fans who tries to bring up that game when they blew us out while we were on probation. It's just sad when they have to resort to that.
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Both of y'all need to quit it with the yapping. UTEP owns both of your schools...
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This is a basketball thread, isn't it? Don't be bringing up stuff that happened on the girdiron under the *cough* tutelage of Gary Nord...
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*Takes a look at UTEP basketball media guide*
Series Records vs Kentucky 1-0 Last time played: 1966 Surely you remember at least hearing about that game? vs Kansas 3-0 Last time played: 1992 Yeah, ok, so it's been a while since we played each other. I gotta talk my smack since the Wildcats stole Chucky Hayes from us four years ago...
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Bah... take your 1966 game. We have 7 more where that came from.
Edit: But you know, not to say I wouldn't like another one. Last edited by TargetPractice6 : 01-12-2005 at 05:59 PM. |
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