Poker can jump up my ***

[MJ4H]

and that's a fact.

[MJ4H]

The hand that inspired this topic:

me: 33
jerkface that has my chips: Q2

flop Q33, turn Q, river Q

Now, see the above post.

[Maple Leafs]

This is the first FOFC poker post I have ever understood.

(P.S. I think the guy who has your chips needs to get shot. I'm just sayin'...)

[kcchief19]

It's been five minutes since I first read this and it still makes my stomach hurt. That's a bad beat.

[Chubby]

almost as bad as my....

me: AA
him: 10-9
other guy: A-K

flop: A-10-10- turn: 4 river: 10

with every round being capped by all three of us in a limit game.

[RPI-Fan]

Originally Posted by Chubby

almost as bad as my....

me: AA
him: 10-9
other guy: A-K

flop: A-10-10- turn: 4 river: 10

with every round being capped by all three of us in a limit game.

Uhhhh, why do you say that is "almost as bad"?

[primelord]

Originally Posted by Chubby

almost as bad as my....

me: AA
him: 10-9
other guy: A-K

flop: A-10-10- turn: 4 river: 10

with every round being capped by all three of us in a limit game.

Actually statistically MJ4H's was a worse beat. You were about a 95.3% favorite to win on the flop where as he was a 99.9% favorite to win on the flop.

[Chubby]

he was toast on the turn. I was looking at it as me vs guy 2, I know having 3 of us skews the %s.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Chubby

he was toast on the turn. I was looking at it as me vs guy 2, I know having 3 of us skews the %s.

Umm, after the turn, his 4 3's were still better than that guy's 3 Q's.

After the flop, your guy needed one card to beat you, but after the flop MJ4H's opp needed to get two straight Q's to beat him. His was a far worse beat than yours, not "almost as bad."

[rkmsuf]

jump my ***

never really heard that one but if you must play leapfrog with poker go for it

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Umm, after the turn, his 4 3's were still better than that guy's 3 Q's.

After the flop, your guy needed one card to beat you, but after the flop MJ4H's opp needed to get two straight Q's to beat him. His was a far worse beat than yours, not "almost as bad."

ahhh I read it wrong, that's why

[SplitPersonality1]

It's bad, but some of you may remember this thread.

[primelord]

Originally Posted by Chubby

he was toast on the turn. I was looking at it as me vs guy 2, I know having 3 of us skews the %s.

And actually having 3 people didn't skew your percentages at all. The guy with AK was drawing dead on the flop.

[IMetTrentGreen]

poker f'ing sucks. i've had such a horrible month as far as bad beats go. mostly my dick ass friends who like to play 63 for no reason

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

poker f'ing sucks. i've had such a horrible month as far as bad beats go. mostly my dick ass friends who like to play 63 for no reason

I hear that. I play in these damn tournaments and try to play but a lot of jackasses are either calling stations or they stay on ANYTHING b 4 the flop ~ don't matter if they have 7-2 or J-4... they're staying.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

This is the first FOFC poker post I have ever understood.

I'm pretty much right there with you.

[IMetTrentGreen]

i went out 4th in a tournament when my pocket nines lost to my opponents pocket nines (both all in pre flop) when he caught a flush on the river

[panerd]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

I hear that. I play in these damn tournaments and try to play but a lot of jackasses are either calling stations or they stay on ANYTHING b 4 the flop ~ don't matter if they have 7-2 or J-4... they're staying.

This is exactly what I don't understand. Not to pick on you CleBrownsfan because many other posters here and people I know outside the board have said exactly the same thing. Why is this bad? If it is such a bad style then you should be making tons of money. If it isn't a bad style (the only other choice) than you can't complain about it.

I find it is really easy to play lower limit poker because people don't ever play 7-2 or J-4. And when they re-raise before the flop they generally have wired hands or high cards. I think the real skill comes in playing in a tournament and checking with Aces. Then killing someone on 5th street. Later on when you go all in with 7-2 the person can't be so certain you are bluffing. Do I get nailed sometimes? Sure. But sitting around letting the blinds drain your money waiting for KK will do you no good either. Especially when you finally get them and re-raise and everyone folds as they have established the type of player you are.

I am not saying to always play 7-3, but there is more skill to poker than just the cards. I think the people who play everything by the book are generally the worst tournament players out there. (I have differentiated between tournament and non-tournament play. I think you have to be a little more conservative in non-tournament play)

[IMetTrentGreen]

thats not even my problem, i can normally tell someone what their holding. my problem has been making the correct bet or call then just getting outdrawn an inordinately large amount of the time. on those 50/50 race situations, and i have kept track, im losing at a 75/25 pace. it'll even out, i know, but right now its tough to deal with

I think you have to be a little more conservative in non-tournament play

i completely disagree with this

[MJ4H]

update: poker can still jump up my ass

NLHE $25 party poker
hands ALLIN preflop ive LOST this week:
AA vs A3, QQ vs QJ, KK vs TT, KK vs A4, AK vs KJ, AK vs A5.

NLHE $25 party poker
hands ALLIN preflop ive WON this week:
none.

poker can jump up my ass

[Suicane75]

You want chasers. If you're a solid player you'll beat them 65%-75% of the time. The losses hurt, the wins you just file away and forget about.

[korme]

Q2! GOOD HAND TO STAY ON!

I'm sorry, but 90% of the time your going to beat the douche who plays like that.... but, I agree, it fucking sucks ass when the worst poker player in the world who happens to have the ole Full Employment (J4, if you play that, well, you better not quit your day job) sucks out on you... ugh

[korme]

BTW, I've learned never to trust any pocket pair, in fact, I hate them all, even bullets.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

BTW, I've learned never to trust any pocket pair, in fact, I hate them all, even bullets.

You know, after reading this, I decided to go into PokerTracker and look at which starting hands have the highest winning percentage for me. I was actually surprised by the results:

AA (71.93%)
KK (62.30%)
QQ (59.62%)
JJ (56.86%)
TT (56.67%)
AJs (54.55%)
AKo (48.21%)

I really find it absolutely staggering that the top five pocket pairs came up in order like that, even though I figure that it's probably supposed to end up that way (or close to it). I love high pocket pairs.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman

Yes I wanted every last one of them to call. The problem comes when I'm a gooseegg on a week's worth of 75% shots.

Oh I know how it feels man, ive lost on KK and AA both tonight and you feel like jumping out a window. Hang in there man, it turns around.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

You want chasers. If you're a solid player you'll beat them 65%-75% of the time. The losses hurt, the wins you just file away and forget about.

Yes I wanted every last one of them to call. The problem comes when I'm a gooseegg on a week's worth of 75% shots.

[cartman]

How about this for a bad beat:

I was one before the button, and it folded around to me. I had A8s (diamonds). We were at $75/$150 blinds level, so I come in for $225. Button and little blind folds, Big Blind calls.

The flop comes, 9, 10, J, all diamonds. I was ecstatic. Flopped a nut flush, and have an open ended straight-flush draw. I bet $625. Big Blind comes in over the top of me all-in. WTF??? I figure he has one of the following cards: 7, Q or K of diamonds, and is drawing for the straight-flush, or hoping the Q or K would be high enough to win with a flush.

After I think for a bit, I call the all-in. He flips over the K and Q of diamonds, for a straight flush on the flop.

Ugh.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Just downloaded poker tracker and all I can say is wow. What an awesome program. Does anybody other than Pumpy use it?

I know that Radii and Primelord have used it for a while.

[kingfc22]

Just downloaded poker tracker and all I can say is wow. What an awesome program. Does anybody other than Pumpy use it?

[larrymcg421]

This is not nearly as bad a beat as the others, but it definitely left my scratching my head.

I pick up AA and start to celebrate. Raise the pot 4XBB and get three callers. Even happier. Flop comes J43, someone makes a standard bet, I raise all in and get one caller. He flips over Q4. Turn is a Q and the river is no help to me.

[larrymcg421]

dola

more pain, and this was a victory...

***** Hand History for Game 1316094611 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:7980726 Level:7 Blinds (100/200) - Saturday, December 18, 07:28:31 EDT 2004
Table 2 - Table(175871) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 3: faunen ( $2005 )
Seat 4: larrymcg421 ( $1255 )
Seat 8: ylolo ( $6916 )
Seat 1: THE_EYE ( $3173 )
Seat 2: ntfilms ( $1395 )
Seat 5: Zohreh_flush ( $2065 )
Seat 7: JH112 ( $2176 )
Seat 9: rookie16 ( $1015 )
Trny:7980726 Level:7
Blinds (100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to larrymcg421 [ Ad As ]
Zohreh_flush folds.
JH112 folds.
ylolo folds.
rookie16 folds.
THE_EYE folds.
ntfilms folds.
faunen folds.
larrymcg421 does not show cards.
larrymcg421 wins 300 chips

[Scoobz0202]

I folded a 7,8

Flop was 7,7,8.

[Tekneek]

I love playing neighborhood/friendly poker, but all this hype over the past year or so has ruined it all for me.

[korme]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

You know, after reading this, I decided to go into PokerTracker and look at which starting hands have the highest winning percentage for me. I was actually surprised by the results:

AA (71.93%)
KK (62.30%)
QQ (59.62%)
JJ (56.86%)
TT (56.67%)
AJs (54.55%)
AKo (48.21%)

I really find it absolutely staggering that the top five pocket pairs came up in order like that, even though I figure that it's probably supposed to end up that way (or close to it). I love high pocket pairs.

Ok, that's sweet if it checks the % for each hand. Pokertracker, never heard.

You don't know how many times I've lost with JJ, QQ, or KK... why? Because no matter, I can NEVER and will NEVER again slow play any of those hands because it does not fail that an over card will hit on the flop, my opponent will inevitably have it, and I will lose.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

This is the first FOFC poker post I have ever understood.

(P.S. I think the guy who has your chips needs to get shot. I'm just sayin'...)

so, I guess you aren't the Leafs17 from Ottawa I'm playing against now...

[TLK]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

I folded a 7,8

Flop was 7,7,8.

you did the right thing.....

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Tekneek

I love playing neighborhood/friendly poker, but all this hype over the past year or so has ruined it all for me.

"Friendly poker" and "poker" have rather little in common with one another.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Ok, that's sweet if it checks the % for each hand. Pokertracker, never heard.

You don't know how many times I've lost with JJ, QQ, or KK... why? Because no matter, I can NEVER and will NEVER again slow play any of those hands because it does not fail that an over card will hit on the flop, my opponent will inevitably have it, and I will lose.

In tournaments I'll go all in hand with AA,KK everytime, if I get no callers, fine, I'll take the blinds.

In ring games I usualy make a 4x or 8x BB raise with that hand, If the flop doesnt drop a high pair or a flush/str8 draw I have no problem going all in no matter how many callers I get, i'll take my chances.

In tournaments (S&G), once it whittles down to 4 or 5 people I'll go all in pre flop with alot of hands that i'm more than comfortable going heads up with, usualy A/K,Q,J, and sometimes any combination of face cards.

[korme]

Ok, how do I use PokerTracker?

I use Pokerstars toi play, by the way.

[korme]

Great. Greeaat. I hate people.

Ok, I am toiurney leader with 5 to play, it's about 3 big dogs plus 2 guys trying to stay alive.

Anyways, I check and see I'm seeing 48% of flops, that's high, but I just kept getting cards man.

Anyways, 30 minutes later, I'm in second to last, I have now seen a total of 29% flops, as I have not seen a flop in 15+ hands. Unbelievable frustration, but shit happens, just gotta wait.

Blinds are 100/200 I'm BB, and finally, A10 of spades. Yay!

2nd chip leader raises double to $400, I re-raise $400 more and he calls.

Flop comes 8 6 8... he bets, I come over the top and go all-in, figuring he didn't hit he's got 2 face cards as well, just putting him on the spot.

He immediately calls, I see his cards.

6 2 o.

I hit nothing, he wins.

I can't hold back, and say this in the chat:
kormelink3 [observer]: so you called my pre-flop raise with 62 offsuit?
kormelink3 [observer]: you suck at poker you stupid douchebag
kormelink3 [observer]: mr. coorslite ****ing sucks at poker, its an insult to all of us if he wins this thing


..i'm just so mad. i hate kids who play like that.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Great. Greeaat. I hate people.

Ok, I am toiurney leader with 5 to play, it's about 3 big dogs plus 2 guys trying to stay alive.

Anyways, I check and see I'm seeing 48% of flops, that's high, but I just kept getting cards man.

Anyways, 30 minutes later, I'm in second to last, I have now seen a total of 29% flops, as I have not seen a flop in 15+ hands. Unbelievable frustration, but shit happens, just gotta wait.

Blinds are 100/200 I'm BB, and finally, A10 of spades. Yay!

2nd chip leader raises double to $400, I re-raise $400 more and he calls.

Flop comes 8 6 8... he bets, I come over the top and go all-in, figuring he didn't hit he's got 2 face cards as well, just putting him on the spot.

He immediately calls, I see his cards.

6 2 o.

I hit nothing, he wins.

I can't hold back, and say this in the chat:
kormelink3 [observer]: so you called my pre-flop raise with 62 offsuit?
kormelink3 [observer]: you suck at poker you stupid douchebag
kormelink3 [observer]: mr. coorslite ****ing sucks at poker, its an insult to all of us if he wins this thing


..i'm just so mad. i hate kids who play like that.

Actually this play makes sense to me. He made a steal attempt, which you can and should do with almost any two cards, especially late in a tourney.

If I'm reading this correctly, after your re-raise, he's looking at a $400 more to call into a $1300 pot, so he's getting more than 3:1 on his money. It would have been stupid for him not to call at this point.

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2d 6h 534386 31.21 1169570 68.30 8348 0.49 0.315
Ac Tc 1169570 68.30 534386 31.21 8348 0.49 0.685

What I don't get is why you decided to get into a fight with another big stack when the flop completely missed you. Even if you thought he was bluffing, sometimes you just have to let people bluff.

[TLK]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

I can't hold back, and say this in the chat:
kormelink3 [observer]: so you called my pre-flop raise with 62 offsuit?
kormelink3 [observer]: you suck at poker you stupid douchebag
kormelink3 [observer]: mr. coorslite ****ing sucks at poker, its an insult to all of us if he wins this thing

don't be that guy....