Official 2015 College Football Week 13 thread - Page 4

Eaglesfan27 · 11-30-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Wow. The Best job open in the Country and they stick with the Interim.

I think its a good move for USC from what Ive seen, and expect that will get the dominoes rolling with other jobs soon.

Why? Do you think Helton can be a great coach from your perspective?

General Mike · 11-30-2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

It doesn't seem like Schiano is going to be the guy at Rutgers again but I would have been okay with it. While I doubt he's improved much on his shortcomings which would have limited his ceiling, at least the program would have an identity again and he would recruit as well as can be expected against the big names in the division.

I think Cristobal ends up as the choice if he doesn't get the Miami job, which seems to be how its trending. I know he stunk at FIU for the majority of his time there but that was a tough program to win at, he recruits well, and hopefully he's learned something under Saban.

Rhule will likely take a bigger job, Fleck isn't quite ready to handle the division we're in, and I'd take the potential of Cristobal over Golden at this point.

Babers is the guy I like the most and I guess going to UCF makes sense if he's positioning himself for a jump to one of the Florida or SEC schools within a few years. Smart for him to move now with his stud QB graduating.

Not really excited about any of those guys. Babers seems okay, but ugh just not floored.

Logan · 11-30-2015, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by General Mike

Not really excited about any of those guys. Babers seems okay, but ugh just not floored.

We're not in the position to get a "floored by" guy with the status of the administration and the financial constraints in place for another 5 years. Let's not let perfect be the enemy of the good. All these options are tremendously more qualified than Flood was.

miked · 11-30-2015, 03:18 PM

I'll bet Rettig is thrilled.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-30-2015, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Just got a text from a GA High School head coach who has put about a dozen players in D1 in the last 5 years or so I thought some here might find interesting...

I would hope -- although given some of the HS coaches I've come across I won't guarantee it -- that a lot of them also realize the guy can't coach to a national championship level. Being a great guy is NOT the job.

CU Tiger · 11-30-2015, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I would hope -- although given some of the HS coaches I've come across I won't guarantee it -- that a lot of them also realize the guy can't coach to a national championship level. Being a great guy is NOT the job.

I don't think it's THAThe is gone, I think it is HOW it went down.

CU Tiger · 11-30-2015, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Why? Do you think Helton can be a great coach from your perspective?

I don't know enough to have a strong feeling, but the team seems to have responded and he seems like a very strong x&o guy. Which to me is a must at USC. You don't need a great recruiter at USC, the school does that itself. They don't need flash, they've tried that now twice.

Helton seems to love USC , the players seem to respond to him, and he seems like a substance hire.

He might never get to Pete Caroll level but I think his floor is stabilizing the program for ~5 years and averaging 8-9 wins a year.

Senator · 11-30-2015, 07:39 PM

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Eaglesfan27 · 11-30-2015, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I don't know enough to have a strong feeling, but the team seems to have responded and he seems like a very strong x&o guy. Which to me is a must at USC. You don't need a great recruiter at USC, the school does that itself. They don't need flash, they've tried that now twice.

Helton seems to love USC , the players seem to respond to him, and he seems like a substance hire.

He might never get to Pete Caroll level but I think his floor is stabilizing the program for ~5 years and averaging 8-9 wins a year.

I don't disagree. I'm disappointed that we didn't get any of the rumored big names. But the more I digest this, the better I feel about it. I agree with you that his floor is high and he might surprise with his ceiling. He seems to have some great leadership qualities and will hopefully hire talented coordinators.

Chief Rum · 11-30-2015, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I don't know enough to have a strong feeling, but the team seems to have responded and he seems like a very strong x&o guy. Which to me is a must at USC. You don't need a great recruiter at USC, the school does that itself. They don't need flash, they've tried that now twice.

Helton seems to love USC , the players seem to respond to him, and he seems like a substance hire.

He might never get to Pete Caroll level but I think his floor is stabilizing the program for ~5 years and averaging 8-9 wins a year.

He won't be coaching there for 5 years if he is averaging 8-9 wins per year.

I'll say this for the rival school: Helton is probably the best human being USC has hired as their HC since John Robinson. Admittedly, the past few didn't set the bar high.

I'll be rooting for Helton to do well. Like, 2nd in the Pac 12 South every year.

CU Tiger · 12-01-2015, 09:04 AM

Question for the committee: Does Clemson deserve to make playoff even if it loses? - Yahoo Sports

JPhillips · 12-01-2015, 09:41 AM

I can't imagine Clemson not getting in unless they are blown out ala Wisconsin.

BillJasper · 12-01-2015, 09:46 AM

I guess it would depend on how they lose and what other teams do, in the top six or seven.

JPhillips · 12-01-2015, 09:56 AM

It's why I think we're down to five teams at this point.

Clemson, Oklahoma and B1G winner are locks with Alabama probably in no matter what as well, but if they lose they might be replaced by Stanford. I don't see any scenario where the SEC is shut out and the Big Ten gets two bids.

Logan · 12-01-2015, 10:47 AM

Started a coach hiring thread:

2015 College Football Coach Hiring Thread - Front Office Football Central

bob · 12-01-2015, 10:52 AM

I think I've finally put my finger on what I dislike about the college football system these days. Non-conference scheduling is done way too far in advance.

Since I've heard a lot about UNC's schedule lately in regards to what happens if they beat Clemson, let's take them for example. It isn't like they knew several years ago that their in conference foes would be bad and they could go sign up some decent non-conference games to bolster the schedule - they schedules were set years ago. How were they supposed to know that GT would be horrible, etc, when they set those schedules? They may not be the best example due to the two 1-AA teams on their schedule, but I haven't look into it enough to see if that was due to issues finding suitable 1-A opponents.

The only solution is to schedule big name teams and pray they are actually good. The schedule fluctuations are just too big over time.

I just wonder if this all eventually results in a 32 team league.

Edit: Yes, I know that this has always been an issue. Just seems bigger when picking four teams instead of 2 (or just 1 at the end of the season).

spleen1015 · 12-01-2015, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bob

I think I've finally put my finger on what I dislike about the college football system these days. Non-conference scheduling is done way too far in advance.

Since I've heard a lot about UNC's schedule lately in regards to what happens if they beat Clemson, let's take them for example. It isn't like they knew several years ago that their in conference foes would be bad and they could go sign up some decent non-conference games to bolster the schedule - they schedules were set years ago. How were they supposed to know that GT would be horrible, etc, when they set those schedules? They may not be the best example due to the two 1-AA teams on their schedule, but I haven't look into it enough to see if that was due to issues finding suitable 1-A opponents.

The only solution is to schedule big name teams and pray they are actually good. The schedule fluctuations are just too big over time.

I just wonder if this all eventually results in a 32 team league.

I heard on the radio the other day that UNC had 2 teams pull out on them at the last minute and the only teams they could schedule were those 1-AA teams.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-01-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I can't imagine Clemson not getting in unless they are blown out ala Wisconsin.

Or lose Watson to obvious season ending injury early, look like crap and lose by 3 TD's.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-01-2015, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

I heard on the radio the other day that UNC had 2 teams pull out on them at the last minute and the only teams they could schedule were those 1-AA teams.

Ohio State, Tennessee and Minnesota all cancelled according the AD

North Carolina AD Bubba Cunningham talks about the Tar Heels' schedule - ACC Blog- ESPN

And in case anyone doubts that tOSU wanted out of a game, here's last year's article explaining that (all the screwy moving around conferences did was going to leave them with only 6 home games in 2017 so they needed to make adjustments)

Ohio State drops football series with North Carolina in 2017 and 2018, replacement should be named soon | cleveland.com

digamma · 12-01-2015, 01:12 PM

I forgot about the ACC 8/9 game shenanigans. That screwed pretty much everyone in the conference over in the summer of 2014 for the 2015 and 2016 schedules. Of course the Tar Heel in Chief, Baby Girl Swofford is to blame for that.

CU Tiger · 12-01-2015, 07:38 PM

Yeah Clemson lost Home and Homes with Ole Miss and Vandy over that crap.
The Ole Miss game would have been this year and was replaced by App St.

dave731 · 12-01-2015, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Yeah Clemson lost Home and Homes with Ole Miss and Vandy over that crap.
The Ole Miss game would have been this year and was replaced by App St.

That Ole Miss game with Kelly would have been must see TV...

tarcone · 12-03-2015, 05:19 PM

Did Cartman forget to post a championship week thread or did I miss it?
I'm really wanting to post in that one.

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12-01-2015, 09:56 AM	#164
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	It's why I think we're down to five teams at this point. Clemson, Oklahoma and B1G winner are locks with Alabama probably in no matter what as well, but if they lose they might be replaced by Stanford. I don't see any scenario where the SEC is shut out and the Big Ten gets two bids. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

12-01-2015, 09:04 AM	#161
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12-01-2015, 10:47 AM	#165
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12-01-2015, 10:52 AM	#166
bob College Starter Join Date: Oct 2004	I think I've finally put my finger on what I dislike about the college football system these days. Non-conference scheduling is done way too far in advance. Since I've heard a lot about UNC's schedule lately in regards to what happens if they beat Clemson, let's take them for example. It isn't like they knew several years ago that their in conference foes would be bad and they could go sign up some decent non-conference games to bolster the schedule - they schedules were set years ago. How were they supposed to know that GT would be horrible, etc, when they set those schedules? They may not be the best example due to the two 1-AA teams on their schedule, but I haven't look into it enough to see if that was due to issues finding suitable 1-A opponents. The only solution is to schedule big name teams and pray they are actually good. The schedule fluctuations are just too big over time. I just wonder if this all eventually results in a 32 team league. Edit: Yes, I know that this has always been an issue. Just seems bigger when picking four teams instead of 2 (or just 1 at the end of the season). Last edited by bob : 12-01-2015 at 10:55 AM.

12-01-2015, 01:12 PM	#170
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	I forgot about the ACC 8/9 game shenanigans. That screwed pretty much everyone in the conference over in the summer of 2014 for the 2015 and 2016 schedules. Of course the Tar Heel in Chief, Baby Girl Swofford is to blame for that.

12-01-2015, 07:38 PM	#171
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Yeah Clemson lost Home and Homes with Ole Miss and Vandy over that crap. The Ole Miss game would have been this year and was replaced by App St.

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