Survivor: Philippines -- Episode spoilers within (don't read until you watch it)

[Racer]

So it looks like it's probably going to be a final 2 since the final episode of the season will have 4 people left and since it would be an even number of people on the jury if it was a final 3.

[General Mike]

People want Survivor DVDs?

[EagleFan]

Even number jury with a final 3 really doesn't mean much about having a final 3 or final 2. The the number of episodes left, however, does seem to point towards a final 2 since I believe they usually have 3 tribals during that last show.

[EagleFan]

dola: Maybe almost having a tie last season made them decide to go back to a final 2.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

dola: Maybe almost having a tie last season made them decide to go back to a final 2.

What are you talking about? Last season was a 7-2-0 result. The seasons before that were 6-3-0 and 8-1-0. The closest they've been to a tie was in Fans vs. Favorites when they had a 8 jury members and 2 finalists which ended in a 5-3 result.

I don't think they'd do 8 jury members with a final 3 because the votes are still almost always between two people and a tie would still be highly likely. In the 10 seasons they've had three finalists, only once have all three received a vote.

[korme]

So... how about Malcolm's brother being crazy strung on coke?

[Draft Dodger]

or how about when Denise's spouse came out and my wife and I exchanged a look and said "wait, it's a guy?"

[Suicane75]

Unfortunately Penner being gone really changes the dynamic of the show for the worse. Luckily it's only a few more weeks till the end so it's ok but Lisas constant struggle and ramblings about faith and this is right and this is a game is just getting insufferable.

I think at this point the best bet is to try and take Malcolm AND Denise and hope they split votes, assuming it's a 3 person final. The last thing you'd want to do if you're Lisa or Skupin is to take Abi and one of Denise or Malcolm.

If it's a two person final then Abi is the obvious way to go for everyone involved.

[Draft Dodger]

I've enjoyed this season quite a bit. It's the first in a while where there wasn't this one group controlling everything and just picking off lemmings one by one. Ever since the merge, it's been pretty fluid IMO and while not all votes have been shockers, there's definitely been some surprises. It seems like more people are playing the game this year, which is good. The tribals have been entertaining and overall the cast has been pretty likable.

Abi's bullshit has definitely worn on me, of course and yes, Lisa's struggles are a bit tired, but they are nothing like that crazy Hantz kid that dragged on forever. Overall, I'm enjoying this season.

[CrimsonFox]

Love it how they say God doesn't care about this game and that he knows it's a game and then they get all huffy when that God saved malcolm and don't understand it. that's faith for ya.

why didn't they go after Denise actually?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Unfortunately Penner being gone really changes the dynamic of the show for the worse. Luckily it's only a few more weeks till the end so it's ok but Lisas constant struggle and ramblings about faith and this is right and this is a game is just getting insufferable.

I think at this point the best bet is to try and take Malcolm AND Denise and hope they split votes, assuming it's a 3 person final. The last thing you'd want to do if you're Lisa or Skupin is to take Abi and one of Denise or Malcolm.

If it's a two person final then Abi is the obvious way to go for everyone involved.

Yeah bad about psenner but I can't wait for his venomous comments sliced with his sharp tongue!

excellent thoughts about the malcolm and denise situation and final 3

[law90026]

Thought it was kinda crappy that Malcolm basically let Lisa and Skupin spend more time with their loved ones and it turned into a plotting session against him.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by law90026

Thought it was kinda crappy that Malcolm basically let Lisa and Skupin spend more time with their loved ones and it turned into a plotting session against him.

Yeah, that kind of sucked. I actually want to see Malcolm and Denise in the final two (or two of the final three) as it would be a great underdog story.

[CrimsonFox]

You guys realize of course that Abi is now *shudder* the swing vote...

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

You guys realize of course that Abi is now *shudder* the swing vote...

Nothing like giving a psycho that much power...

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

or how about when Denise's spouse came out and my wife and I exchanged a look and said "wait, it's a guy?"

Totally!

I'm really pulling for Malcolm to win this thing as he is the most deserving contestant left with Denise a close second.

Glad he won the immunity challenge as I don't think he plays the idol going into that tribal.

[General Mike]

Penner was great.

[CrimsonFox]

yup. I expected that. Malcolm was a whiney bitch and that surprised me. YEt he still voted for Denise. Kind of shocked it was such a landslide.

But with the old members of their tribe being little babies about it since THEY wanted to vote Skup and Lisa out none of them would vote Skup/Lisa.

It's a shame Malcolm turned on Denise so quickly. GLad she saw it coming.

A Malcolm/Denise/Lisa final 3 could have been interesting but Malcolm probably would have won.

Malcolm/Denise/Skupin...um....Maybe Denise as well?
Or Malcolm.

[Draft Dodger]

I was rooting for Malcolm, although would have been happy with almost any of the last 6 or so. But his spoiled bitch act made me really glad he didn't win. That definitely took me by surprise.

also surprised that Denise's horrible jury speech ("I was better than all of you losers") didn't cost her the win.

[Joe]

Possibly the worst FTC performance by a winner ever.

Also can't believe Lisa won the fan vote. WTF.

Hope they bring in Tootie to be on next season.

[law90026]

Malcolm really misread his alliance didn't he? If he had stuck with Denise, chances are the 2 of them would have made the final 3 with Skupin. Interesting thing is that when Jeff asked who would have voted for Malcolm if he had reached the final 3, only 2 pple put up their hands, though I suspect that was with hindsight and the passing of time.

Really thought Denise shot herself in the foot with her responses. She came off arrogant and condescending and she was lucky that the jury really didn't like Skupin and Lisa.

Can't believe Lisa is fan favourite but my wife thinks that's more of a Christian vote.

Thought Jefff was excellent at the tribal council as well.

[stevew]

Malcom is in next season from what I heard.

[General Mike]

List I found of returning players, Not sure I know who any of them are

Spoiler

Returning favorites:
• Erik Reichenbach, Survivor Micronesia: Fans vs. Favorites
• Corinne Kaplan, Survivor Gabon
• Brenda Lowe, Survivor Nicaragua
• Andrea Boehlke, Survivor Redemption Island
• Francesca Hogi, Survivor Redemption Island
• Phillip Sheppard, Survivor Redemption Island
• John Cochran, Survivor South Pacific
• Brandon Hantz, Survivor South Pacific
• Dawn Meehan, Survivor South Pacific
• Malcolm Freberg, Survivor Philippines

[Thomkal]

I really hope you are wrong about the second from the bottom. You would think CBS would have learned their lesson there.

[Kodos]

I could do without Brandon Hantz. But at least no Colton. So I can watch.

[Joe]

Must be a list of producers favorites and not fan favorites. Hantz and Phillip? Really? Also bringing back someone that was voted off first doesn't scream favorite to me.

[Joe]

Also, after the Big Brother debacle, I'd think CBS would be done with the Hantz family by now. Although, I guess this next season probably was filmed over the summer per usual so that hadn't happened yet.

[LloydLungs]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I could do without Brandon Hantz. But at least no Colton. So I can watch.

Agree. Actually Corinne is the closest thing to Colton amongst all past Survivors. I can watch with her on, but just barely. She is a terrible person.

As for the finale, way to go Denise -- no masterminds or great players on this season but I do think the best player won. I disagree about her jury speech, the unapologetic non-ass-kissing was fantastic. I've been wanting to see that for years, she's like the Bulworth of Survivor or something.

Kudos to the jury for not being too bitter -- except Penner. I give this lecture every season, but memo to all survivors: There will never be another Sue Hawk. You're all trying too hard. Just please stop.

[Lathum]

I thought overall was a fun season, had a bit of everything while nothing to over the top ( Colton, young Hanz) and I really didn't know who was going to win. I gained a ton of admiration for Lisas response to Penner selling her out.

I haven't watched the reunion show yet, can't wait to see peoples reaction to Jeff Kent.

[Suicane75]

Penner is who I thought he was. I still enjoy watching him but I didn't buy his schtick at all. Sometimes I think we overthink the final jury. We knew Denise or Malcolm would win if they went.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Joe

Also, after the Big Brother debacle, I'd think CBS would be done with the Hantz family by now. Although, I guess this next season probably was filmed over the summer per usual so that hadn't happened yet.

Tell me more.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I thought overall was a fun season, had a bit of everything while nothing to over the top ( Colton, young Hanz) and I really didn't know who was going to win. I gained a ton of admiration for Lisas response to Penner selling her out.

I haven't watched the reunion show yet, can't wait to see peoples reaction to Jeff Kent.

yeah i didn't expect her to fire back! but I'm SOOO glad Penner did that. It drove me crazy that no one said it!

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by LloydLungs

Agree. Actually Corinne is the closest thing to Colton amongst all past Survivors. I can watch with her on, but just barely. She is a terrible person.

As for the finale, way to go Denise -- no masterminds or great players on this season but I do think the best player won. I disagree about her jury speech, the unapologetic non-ass-kissing was fantastic. I've been wanting to see that for years, she's like the Bulworth of Survivor or something.

Kudos to the jury for not being too bitter -- except Penner. I give this lecture every season, but memo to all survivors: There will never be another Sue Hawk. You're all trying too hard. Just please stop.

I agree I thought Denise's tribal was great. She didn't stammer and flipflop. She did a "tell it like it is" response which is a good stance. Michael stammered and went into outer space on tribal I think he totally lost it one tribal. And Lisa was just bad with her responses of "My brother told me this is just a game" and "her too sensitive stuff. That never goes down well especially with people from her tribe. If she'd have been more ruthless to the people from her tribe she may have gotten more respect, but she went for the "honor and who I am" route. I didn't know who would win. THought Skupin would be a good chance but Denise definitely did well.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I could do without Brandon Hantz. But at least no Colton. So I can watch.

exactly my thought

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by General Mike

Tell me more.

Russell's brother was on BB this summer and, as expected, was a complete assclown. he got kicked off the show after getting into a fight with one of the other contestants. as an added bonus, he got arrested a week later for DUI

[Mota]

Congrats to Denise for the win. As long as it was Malcolm or Denise, Mrs. Mota and I would be happy.

I really loved the final tribal council speech from Denise, she came out with supreme confidence, told everybody she wasn't going to cower or apologize like so many past contestants have.
Although of course she ends up apologizing to Abby for being mean.

[timmynausea]

It's funny. I think the producers try their best to edit things to show the winner in a positive light, especially toward the end of the season, but I agree with those that thought Denise was awful in the final tribal council. She has the opposite of charisma. Just my opinion, though.

[Bisbo]

I actually thought Lisa did a pretty good job responding to the jury. I've never liked Penner at all, but I was starting to come around on him until his "question" to the jury - total douche. Hope he's not on any future shows.