Alright Boyz, here we go! Madden 10 first impressions thread - Page 11

whomario · 10-11-2009, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColtCrazy

It's going to be rough when I lose Manning down the road.

Just lost Rodgers for the year and now have to play with my Backup who is a 71 OVRL drafted player (C potential, never played and so never developed the first 2 years) and is a scrambling PG with a good arm but pedestrian accuracy and it is such a drag ...
Lost my first game 10-24 against a week Washington team and couldn´t get anything going in the passing game at all, only score was due to a great punt return and a couple big running plays.

It´s a totally different game without a great QB.

ColtCrazy · 10-11-2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario

Just lost Rodgers for the year and now have to play with my Backup who is a 71 OVRL drafted player (C potential, never played and so never developed the first 2 years) and is a scrambling PG with a good arm but pedestrian accuracy and it is such a drag ...
Lost my first game 10-24 against a week Washington team and couldn´t get anything going in the passing game at all, only score was due to a great punt return and a couple big running plays.

It´s a totally different game without a great QB.

Oh yeah, I played with the Texans once, and barely beat Oakland. Schaub is horribly inconsistent, and I consider him a decent QB. I can't imagine having to be stuck with Sorgi for a full game. In the preseason, it was a lot of screens and quick slants, and even then it was an average performance with a couple of picks.

I may have to draft a QB a couple of years early to groom, if only because the drop off will be a shock.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-16-2009, 11:19 PM

Madden blog is up with "preliminary" details on the patch. It won't be out until at least November:

http://insideblog.easports.com/pages...y-details.aspx

whomario · 10-17-2009, 04:36 AM

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In this update we have also fixed some annoying exploit issues. The first one we made is adding an initial move to the RB on the HB direct snap plays so he can’t immediately take off after receiving the snap. We also forced a QB drop initial move to force him to set up for a pass on Shotgun play action plays when you canceled the play action by hot routing the running back. This will keep the QB from being able to take off running right after getting the snap.

oh great, another automated and scripted thing ... Even after playing just this Madden it is amazing how many of this "prevent user from doing a certain thing" animations and what nots (like defenders running the WRs route before him ...) are in there.

Sun Tzu · 12-01-2009, 11:03 AM

The new patch is expected out pretty soon. Good news to everybody who already started a franny. You wont have to restart it for any of the fixes to take effect.

Sun Tzu · 12-04-2009, 09:25 AM

The Patch just hit for the PS3 last night. I'm guessing that means it should hit for the 360 on Tuesday.

Philliesfan980 · 12-04-2009, 11:02 AM

The early impressions from OS on the 2nd patch are the RB stats are out of whack. Way too many 1,000 yard rushers, and a few 2,500+ runners each year.

dubb93 · 12-04-2009, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

The early impressions from OS on the 2nd patch are the RB stats are out of whack. Way too many 1,000 yard rushers, and a few 2,500+ runners each year.

LOL at every RB having between 7 and 9 ypc. Did they not ever bother testing this?

Kodos · 12-04-2009, 12:31 PM

Hey, hey, hey. They've only had 4 months to fix it. Whatd'ya expect?!

dubb93 · 12-04-2009, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

Hey, hey, hey. They've only had 4 months to fix it. Whatd'ya expect?!

Absolutely shocking that this company has a dire financial situation.

Eaglesfan27 · 12-04-2009, 12:53 PM

Absolutely ridiculous. They bring in one of the head coach gurus and still can't get simulated stats to be realistic. Unbelievable.

Kodos · 12-04-2009, 12:59 PM

I'm fairly close to giving up on video football games in general.

Philliesfan980 · 12-04-2009, 01:52 PM

I read a little more of the thread, and it seems like the issue is some guys are having absolute MONSTER games against the poorer teams in the league (Lions, Rams, etc). I think someone said that guys like Peterson would rush for 350 and 3 TD's against these guys.

gstelmack · 12-04-2009, 02:09 PM

Are these with default sliders, or with the sliders that everyone adjusted pre-patch to overcome running weakness.

gstelmack · 12-04-2009, 02:16 PM

The other thing about this is I really don't pay attention to stats in franchise mode, I'm far more worried about gameplay, drafting, and FA than what's going on in the record books. UNLESS this has gameplay effects, like driving up player demands or something.

Sweed · 12-04-2009, 06:51 PM

Well, Madden may have come to an end for me. I got rid of it on goozex last week in what will end up being an even trade for NHL10, not bad played it for 3 1\2 months.

This years Madden was much improved in gameplay, hell it must have been it's the only one in the last three that was playable

IMHO it was even enjoyable to play without any huge gamebreakers but in the end the game just doesn't do it for me anymore.

I finished a season with the Vikes and then moved onto my intended career game with my Rams (don't laugh). Got through the season, missed the playoffs (a first ever for any Madden game), had reasonable stats, and some very fun competitive games. But then after all of that I had absolutely no desire to move onto the draft or the next season.

I don't know if it is my slowly declining interest in the NFL itself over the last few years or the fact that other games, namely NBA 2kX and The ShowX, have completely passed it by in quality and ability to at least somewhat simulate real life. Either way I just can't see setting aside time to play Madden anymore. In the end it just takes away from the aforementioned games along with FM and OOTP.

I don't now maybe next year I'll get the itch again, but I kind of doubt it. For the last three years with the poor efforts Madden put out I never really played a football game. This year I finally had the chance to do so again and it all resulted in a ho-hum feeling that I think will translate into next year.
I think the itch has been scratched and as far as I can tell is no longer an issue.

Kodos · 12-08-2009, 02:04 PM

Anyone tried out gameplay after the 2nd patch? I'm wondering if online matches versus FOFC people can salvage the game. I have it on PS3.

Kodos · 02-22-2010, 02:40 PM

Not sure if this has been covered already, but, predictably, EA has extended their NFL exclusive license.

hxxp://www.videogamesblogger.com/2008/02/13/ea-retains-nfl-exclusivity-through-2013-may-revisit-nfl-couch-series.htm

EA retains NFL exclusivity through 2013, may revisit NFL Head Coach series

EA’s Peter Moore has announced that the company has extended it’s deal with the NFL through the 2013 Super Bowl. This also includes exclusivity with the NFL Players union, meaning EA will retain the rights to all NFL teams, stadiums, and player likenesses and player information until the Super Bowl XLVII champion is crowned in 2013.

Also as part of the new agreement, EA will “look at different ways to bring more consumers in,” according to EA Sports president Peter Moore. And this goes even beyond EA’s other NFL games outside of Madden, such as NFL Street and NFL Tour.

One way Moore is hoping to lure more Americans into the Madden fold is through the incorporation of content from the NFL Films production company and the NFL Network cable channel into the “Madden game experience.” Other new EA Sports initiatives include a continuation of the “family play” option for Wii games, expanded investment in the wildly popular fantasy football phenomenon, and undefined initiatives to court football fans during the spring and summer months.

“Both EA Sports and the NFL agree that we need to look at different ways to bring more consumers in. Traditionally, when the Super Bowl’s over, our football business is over, and there’s research that shows there are millions of people out there that can’t get enough football 12 months a year.”

Their newest attempt to gain new NFL football gamers was NFL Tour, which didn’t favor well with critics but is “doing ok” at retail. However, the former Xbox 360 marketing chief isn’t satisfied with just pumping out more NFL Tour or NFL Street. “I think we need to be more innovative,” he said. “For years, we’ve done Street versions of games, and I think it’s time we looked at online models and perhaps doing something that’s truly contra-seasonal.”

One promising way to do this is to revive the NFL Head Coach series, which hit the scene in 2006. “Things like Head Coach…well, for me, I love the X’s and O’s,” he said. “It’s something that I would love to do if I wasn’t in this business. When we look at the success of the Football Manager titles in Europe, there’s no reason we can’t do the same thing here. We’ve kind of tiptoed into it so far, but I think you’ll see continued investment in things like Head Coach.”

Although EA was excited to talk about it’s NFL extensions, it didn’t talk about it’s other American football agreements, those it has with the NCAA and the Arena Football League. “We’ll get to those when we get to those,” he said.

Izulde · 02-22-2010, 03:26 PM

Whoever wrote that needs to be slapped. Its is a possessive that doesn't have an apostrophe and it's fare well with critics, not favor.

But then again, I've noticed some unbelievably sloppy copy-editing in online media articles lately. Our fast track to illiteracy just keeps getting faster and faster.

Kodos · 02-22-2010, 03:51 PM

The sad thing is that I fixed the headline, which mentioned "NFL Couch". It's still that way in the URL. Pretty bad, yes.

MizzouRah · 02-22-2010, 10:50 PM

Good news for Jim! :P

Mizzou B-ball fan · 02-23-2010, 06:45 AM

I'll give EA credit for one thing. They're willing to ride the ship all the way to the bottom of the ocean.

Predictibly, they emphasized working on the game this past year, the sales were poor (mostly due to previous iterations) and so they decide to go back to adding useless features (and other games) thinking that's the key to sales. Ugh.

RainMaker · 02-23-2010, 07:09 AM

Yep Peter, your game sells for shit because it doesn't have a "fantasy football" element to it. How fucking clueless can a company get.

Kodos · 03-19-2010, 11:42 AM

Posted by Valdarez at Operation Sports

http://www.operationsports.com/Valda...-through-2010/

Madden Sales 2005 Through 2010

There's been a lot of discussions regarding Madden sales, whether they are down or up over the last 5 years. Everyone seemed to have a different opinion on the matter. To clear up the confusion I decided to take a few minutes to graph it out. I used VGChartz.com as the source. Unfortunately they did not have any PC numbers for the game, so I believe the graphs don't quite tell the whole story.

PC sales slid over the years to the point they stopped supporting the PC back in 2008 so the graph would be slanted down more than it is and would have started the slide earlier if we had the PC numbers. If anyone can find the PC numbers for Madden, please send them to me and I'll update the chart / images.

Take a look at the chart and draw your own conclusions regarding the sales, but please keep in mind the PC numbers are missing while doing so.

gstelmack · 03-19-2010, 11:46 AM

Looks like the big issue is PS2 gamers not making the transition. 360 is flat after the initial bump, while PS3 is growing slower than PS2 is dropping.

Kodos · 03-19-2010, 11:47 AM

P.S. For whatever reason, I've never been able to successfully download the second patch for my PS3 version of Madden.

Kodos · 03-19-2010, 11:48 AM

I thought it was interesting that 2005 and 2010 had almost identical overall sales.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-19-2010, 11:51 AM

These numbers would look even worse if you were to compare them to console software sales in general over that same time that have trending nothing but up and up.

I don't remember when the last Madden was that I bought, but I think it was either in 2005 or 2006. I was one of the PS2 people who never made the conversation to Madden for the next generation systems.

10-16-2009, 11:19 PM	#503
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Madden blog is up with "preliminary" details on the patch. It won't be out until at least November: http://insideblog.easports.com/pages...y-details.aspx __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-01-2009, 11:03 AM	#505
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	The new patch is expected out pretty soon. Good news to everybody who already started a franny. You wont have to restart it for any of the fixes to take effect. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

12-04-2009, 09:25 AM	#506
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	The Patch just hit for the PS3 last night. I'm guessing that means it should hit for the 360 on Tuesday. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

12-04-2009, 12:31 PM	#509
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Hey, hey, hey. They've only had 4 months to fix it. Whatd'ya expect?! __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-04-2009, 12:53 PM	#511
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Absolutely ridiculous. They bring in one of the head coach gurus and still can't get simulated stats to be realistic. Unbelievable. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen. Last edited by Eaglesfan27 : 12-04-2009 at 12:53 PM.

12-04-2009, 11:02 AM	#507
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	The early impressions from OS on the 2nd patch are the RB stats are out of whack. Way too many 1,000 yard rushers, and a few 2,500+ runners each year.

12-04-2009, 12:59 PM	#512
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I'm fairly close to giving up on video football games in general. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-04-2009, 01:52 PM	#513
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	I read a little more of the thread, and it seems like the issue is some guys are having absolute MONSTER games against the poorer teams in the league (Lions, Rams, etc). I think someone said that guys like Peterson would rush for 350 and 3 TD's against these guys.

12-04-2009, 02:09 PM	#514
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Are these with default sliders, or with the sliders that everyone adjusted pre-patch to overcome running weakness. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

12-04-2009, 02:16 PM	#515
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	The other thing about this is I really don't pay attention to stats in franchise mode, I'm far more worried about gameplay, drafting, and FA than what's going on in the record books. UNLESS this has gameplay effects, like driving up player demands or something. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

12-04-2009, 06:51 PM	#516
Sweed College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	Well, Madden may have come to an end for me. I got rid of it on goozex last week in what will end up being an even trade for NHL10, not bad played it for 3 1\2 months. This years Madden was much improved in gameplay, hell it must have been it's the only one in the last three that was playable IMHO it was even enjoyable to play without any huge gamebreakers but in the end the game just doesn't do it for me anymore. I finished a season with the Vikes and then moved onto my intended career game with my Rams (don't laugh). Got through the season, missed the playoffs (a first ever for any Madden game), had reasonable stats, and some very fun competitive games. But then after all of that I had absolutely no desire to move onto the draft or the next season. I don't know if it is my slowly declining interest in the NFL itself over the last few years or the fact that other games, namely NBA 2kX and The ShowX, have completely passed it by in quality and ability to at least somewhat simulate real life. Either way I just can't see setting aside time to play Madden anymore. In the end it just takes away from the aforementioned games along with FM and OOTP. I don't now maybe next year I'll get the itch again, but I kind of doubt it. For the last three years with the poor efforts Madden put out I never really played a football game. This year I finally had the chance to do so again and it all resulted in a ho-hum feeling that I think will translate into next year. I think the itch has been scratched and as far as I can tell is no longer an issue.

12-08-2009, 02:04 PM	#517
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Anyone tried out gameplay after the 2nd patch? I'm wondering if online matches versus FOFC people can salvage the game. I have it on PS3.

02-22-2010, 02:40 PM	#518
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Not sure if this has been covered already, but, predictably, EA has extended their NFL exclusive license. hxxp://www.videogamesblogger.com/2008/02/13/ea-retains-nfl-exclusivity-through-2013-may-revisit-nfl-couch-series.htm EA retains NFL exclusivity through 2013, may revisit NFL Head Coach series EA’s Peter Moore has announced that the company has extended it’s deal with the NFL through the 2013 Super Bowl. This also includes exclusivity with the NFL Players union, meaning EA will retain the rights to all NFL teams, stadiums, and player likenesses and player information until the Super Bowl XLVII champion is crowned in 2013. Also as part of the new agreement, EA will “look at different ways to bring more consumers in,” according to EA Sports president Peter Moore. And this goes even beyond EA’s other NFL games outside of Madden, such as NFL Street and NFL Tour. One way Moore is hoping to lure more Americans into the Madden fold is through the incorporation of content from the NFL Films production company and the NFL Network cable channel into the “Madden game experience.” Other new EA Sports initiatives include a continuation of the “family play” option for Wii games, expanded investment in the wildly popular fantasy football phenomenon, and undefined initiatives to court football fans during the spring and summer months. “Both EA Sports and the NFL agree that we need to look at different ways to bring more consumers in. Traditionally, when the Super Bowl’s over, our football business is over, and there’s research that shows there are millions of people out there that can’t get enough football 12 months a year.” Their newest attempt to gain new NFL football gamers was NFL Tour, which didn’t favor well with critics but is “doing ok” at retail. However, the former Xbox 360 marketing chief isn’t satisfied with just pumping out more NFL Tour or NFL Street. “I think we need to be more innovative,” he said. “For years, we’ve done Street versions of games, and I think it’s time we looked at online models and perhaps doing something that’s truly contra-seasonal.” One promising way to do this is to revive the NFL Head Coach series, which hit the scene in 2006. “Things like Head Coach…well, for me, I love the X’s and O’s,” he said. “It’s something that I would love to do if I wasn’t in this business. When we look at the success of the Football Manager titles in Europe, there’s no reason we can’t do the same thing here. We’ve kind of tiptoed into it so far, but I think you’ll see continued investment in things like Head Coach.” Although EA was excited to talk about it’s NFL extensions, it didn’t talk about it’s other American football agreements, those it has with the NCAA and the Arena Football League. “We’ll get to those when we get to those,” he said. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties. Last edited by Kodos : 02-22-2010 at 03:52 PM.

02-22-2010, 03:26 PM	#519
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Whoever wrote that needs to be slapped. Its is a possessive that doesn't have an apostrophe and it's fare well with critics, not favor. But then again, I've noticed some unbelievably sloppy copy-editing in online media articles lately. Our fast track to illiteracy just keeps getting faster and faster. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

02-22-2010, 03:51 PM	#520
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	The sad thing is that I fixed the headline, which mentioned "NFL Couch". It's still that way in the URL. Pretty bad, yes. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

02-22-2010, 10:50 PM	#521
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Good news for Jim! :P

02-23-2010, 06:45 AM	#522
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	I'll give EA credit for one thing. They're willing to ride the ship all the way to the bottom of the ocean. Predictibly, they emphasized working on the game this past year, the sales were poor (mostly due to previous iterations) and so they decide to go back to adding useless features (and other games) thinking that's the key to sales. Ugh.

02-23-2010, 07:09 AM	#523
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Yep Peter, your game sells for shit because it doesn't have a "fantasy football" element to it. How fucking clueless can a company get.

03-19-2010, 11:42 AM	#524
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Ping: MBBF Posted by Valdarez at Operation Sports http://www.operationsports.com/Valda...-through-2010/ Madden Sales 2005 Through 2010 There's been a lot of discussions regarding Madden sales, whether they are down or up over the last 5 years. Everyone seemed to have a different opinion on the matter. To clear up the confusion I decided to take a few minutes to graph it out. I used VGChartz.com as the source. Unfortunately they did not have any PC numbers for the game, so I believe the graphs don't quite tell the whole story. PC sales slid over the years to the point they stopped supporting the PC back in 2008 so the graph would be slanted down more than it is and would have started the slide earlier if we had the PC numbers. If anyone can find the PC numbers for Madden, please send them to me and I'll update the chart / images. Take a look at the chart and draw your own conclusions regarding the sales, but please keep in mind the PC numbers are missing while doing so. Last edited by Kodos : 03-19-2010 at 11:44 AM.

03-19-2010, 11:46 AM	#525
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Looks like the big issue is PS2 gamers not making the transition. 360 is flat after the initial bump, while PS3 is growing slower than PS2 is dropping. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

03-19-2010, 11:47 AM	#526
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	P.S. For whatever reason, I've never been able to successfully download the second patch for my PS3 version of Madden. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

03-19-2010, 11:48 AM	#527
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I thought it was interesting that 2005 and 2010 had almost identical overall sales. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties. Last edited by Kodos : 03-19-2010 at 11:48 AM.

03-19-2010, 11:51 AM	#528
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	These numbers would look even worse if you were to compare them to console software sales in general over that same time that have trending nothing but up and up. I don't remember when the last Madden was that I bought, but I think it was either in 2005 or 2006. I was one of the PS2 people who never made the conversation to Madden for the next generation systems. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

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