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| Dennis Waldron |
  
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3 | 25.00% |
| Louis Kingsbury |
  
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9 | 75.00% |
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01-09-2010, 01:07 AM
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Dynasty Boy
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Michigan
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PING: FBCB/basketball fans
To make a very long story short, I've fired up this old game again, putting a team as far away from civilization as I dared - Fairbanks, Alaska. The team has improved from a prestige of 5 to 15 under my leadership. And now I have a recruiting dilemma. Two 3* centers, both from Alaska (which pops out a 3* prospect once every 5 years or so), both about the same quality in different ways. And me with only one scholarship to give. Take a look:
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For the fun of it, here's my current starting C and his backup: Code:
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BTW, The graduating senior is a PF. So... what do you guys think? |
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01-09-2010, 09:00 AM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
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I'll run both recruits through my program and let you know soon.
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01-09-2010, 09:31 AM
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Cary, NC
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Kingsbury. I like that Waldron can hit 3s, but I like that Kingsbury can hit freethrows and block shots. Neither is that great a defender, and both should be okay offensively inside, but Kingsbury is a better offensive player right now.
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01-09-2010, 10:16 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
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Kingsbury scored fairly well as an inside man (C/PF) with a normalized score of 53.8, which is not bad. When building a team, I have always emphasized HND and he falls down at that. However, knowing your prestige level, you can get by because he will dominate the inside against like competition.
Waldren, on the other hand, did not score well as an inside player (38.8) but scored reasonably well as an SF (37.1). He got the HND for that position, great 3PS and can help out inside. In other words, much more rounded. I have always loved tall SF but at that level, they don't come up very often. Wish you could get both but Waldren will be who I would put the money in, not only because of his interest, but he will be a solid player and a good scorer. |
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01-09-2010, 10:43 AM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Kingsbury is much more developed on the inside game and his FT shooting ability will let you get major scoring out of him.
Plus, I'm biased to All-State and Mr. Basketballs. 
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01-09-2010, 12:02 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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Kingsbury has the potential to be a dominant scorer inside, both grab the defensive boards equally well, and I'm just as happy with a shot blocker as a defender, I push for Kingsbury and don't really consider it that close at all, at least for the teams I like to build.
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01-10-2010, 03:44 PM
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Dynasty Boy
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Michigan
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Thanks, everyone, who shared your opinions.
I took the "other guy", Waldron. Kingsbury got picked up by Oklahoma State. I could tell a hundred stories about the players and the teams, but let's start with a summary of each guy's careers: Code:
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Quick notes on Waldron and Fairbanks: * We bounced between 13 and 17 wins each season. * We redshirted him the first year because he wouldn't have played much. * As a sophomore, he split time between C and PF. * He missed a start in his junior year due to injury; otherwise, he had no injuries or academic suspensions. * He had 4 POTGs as a junior and 8 as a senior, FYI. * The All-Conference selection was nice, and probably deserved, but I've had conference POTYs before, and one who won it twice in a row. * He gained 20 pounds as a collegian. Quick notes on Kingsbury and OSU: * OSU's records tell a very interesting story: 2020 - 12-17 (6-10) 2021 - 14-16 (9-7) 2022 - 25-9 (11-5), Final Four 2023 - 21-15 (8-8), Big 12 champs, lost in NCAA 2nd round 2024 - 13-16 (8-8) - Kingsbury was gone by then * They probably should've redshirted him. * He was the first guy off the bench his junior and senior years, bouncing between C and PF. * We played OSU twice on the road. Both were ugly losses for us. Kingsbury played well, Waldron... not so much. * He had 5 POTGs as a junior and 8 as a senior. Very interesting since he never started. * He gained 4 pounds. So... I probably chose the wrong guy, but we did all right anyway. Onward. |
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01-10-2010, 04:12 PM
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n00b
Join Date: Mar 2005
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You have a program? |
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01-11-2010, 06:27 PM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
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I don't think you chose the wrong insomuch that you chose the player that you could have realistically recruited. I have been in that situation many times and chose to put my one scholarship into someone I knew I could get, as oppose to risking not getting either.
I noticed you likely played Waldron on the inside. I believe he was better suited as a SF, imo. |
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01-12-2010, 09:48 AM
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Dynasty Boy
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Michigan
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I could've gotten Kingsbury if I had really, really wanted him. Trust me. As for being better as a SF, that's probably true, but: 1) I don't know a lot about basketball, 2) I let the computer set the lineups, and they insisted on putting him inside (mostly), and 3) I'm always short on good, big men and Waldron was (kinda) good and (sort of) big. |
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01-12-2010, 09:52 AM
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Bucc- What is this program you speak of?
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01-12-2010, 10:50 AM
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College Starter
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Kansas
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I too am curious about Bucc's program. I assume he made a spreadhseet with weighted formulas to assign values to players. That's an interesting idea and not sure why I never did that. I always end up winging it with regards to recruiting, but I also play very fast, and fly through years. I also tend to recruit best available at the positions I need rather than recruiting to a system. I'd be curious to hear more on the Bucc system.
Given your belief you could have got the other guy I personally don't think it is close. He looks to me like a much better prospect but then again that boils down to what you look for and the strategy you're hoping to employ. It is hard to pass on a big man with that inside scoring. Be interesting if you had a save and could re-write history with the other choice to see what happened. I've just started playing FBCB again pretty heavily and am now trying to build my team around a system. I'm focusing on a defensive powerhouse with lots of pressing/trapping. I'm not seeing much success yet, but it is a nice change of pace. |
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01-12-2010, 06:40 PM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
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Calis is close. It's a program that has a number of functions to parse the great text files from the game into a series of spreadsheet. I have fine-tuned the weighted values over the years until I was satisfied I can trust the normalized numbers by position group. I think one of the big difference is that I spend most of my time analyzing both my roster and the recruits (including a somewhat complex algorithm that gives me guidance on what of the 3 position groups I need to recruit). Also, analyzing (objectively and subjectively) the roster after training camps gives me my depth chart. I never, ever 1) pay attention to what position the player has been assigned to nor 2) let the AI assign my depth chart. The strategy remains somewhat static (numerous controlled tests showed the result never varying much from a mid-point norm - which was discussed in the Suggestions thread. I also don't exploit). Every year, I play about 8-10 season over a four weeks period, which attests to the micromanagement of my logs and analyzes, but still fast-sim week by week.
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