10-29-2009, 01:50 PM | #1 | ||||
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Tim Donaghy Book Excerpts
Say what you will about Donaghy being in jail and all that stuff, but if you watch the NBA at all and are skeptical about this stuff, I have no idea what to tell you.
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On star treatment: Quote:
The rest is at Deadspin. Excerpts From The Book The NBA Doesn't Want You To Read - Tim Donaghy - Deadspin |
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10-29-2009, 01:54 PM | #2 |
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It's pretty bad although mostly information that many of us expected.
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10-29-2009, 01:55 PM | #3 |
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boy, he really does need money bad, doesn't he?
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10-29-2009, 01:55 PM | #4 |
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The second part isn't all that surprising. I think it is obvious in the NBA star players get special treatment.
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10-29-2009, 01:59 PM | #5 | |
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I will say this, some of the stuff on Bavetta is so hilarious that I'll almost be crushed if it isn't true.
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10-29-2009, 02:03 PM | #6 |
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So can someone take the info from this book and do comparisons with stats over the years? I'd really like to see that (eg. when Iversion would go to the line based on the ref)?
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10-29-2009, 02:05 PM | #7 |
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There are some high end handicapping sites that offer up that information. There are a lot of refs like Crawford where the home team covers an inordinate amount of time when he's officiating.
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10-29-2009, 02:05 PM | #8 |
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10-29-2009, 02:06 PM | #9 |
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The way he writes makes me want to give all the NBA refs henchmen voices.
Maybe he's lying, or maybe he's telling the truth. But I still think that the Sports Guy's reasoning for not trusting him was horrible: (1) If we beleive him without corrobation, then we probably have to beleive that guy that said that the Pats were gaining material benefit from illegally taping other teams and stealing signals. (2) I don't want to beleive that guy because I root for the Pats. (3) Therefore, I don't believe Donaghy. |
10-29-2009, 02:09 PM | #10 | |
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It still wouldn't prove much b/c he could have found the stats himself and then made up the story to "explain" the stats. It was like when he said that that Lakers/Kings game was fixed for the Lakers. And people went back and said "Oh my God, he's right. That game does look fixed." What they seemed to miss was that he didn't predict that the game would be fixed before it happened. He just "explained" what happened after the fact. |
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10-29-2009, 02:12 PM | #11 |
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I would have loved to have read that book.
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10-29-2009, 02:18 PM | #12 | |
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We didn't need the book to know that the Lakers/Kings game was fixed. |
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10-29-2009, 03:17 PM | #13 |
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That first passage reminds me so much of "Kyle, tell us about Hornsmaniac": excessively overdramatic, therefore it has to be fake.
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10-29-2009, 03:55 PM | #14 |
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Reading the except it reminded me of Philly's first game against Iverson after he was traded to the Nuggets. AI was ejected in the game and although the stats of the game look equal (30 FT for each team including 10 for AI), I remembered watching it and thinking it was one of the worst reffed Nuggets games I'd seen that year. Here is AI's quote after the game:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iverson also saved a parting shot for official Steve Javie, who ejected him."I thought I got fouled on that play, and I said I thought that he was calling the game personal, and he threw me out," Iverson said. "His fuse is real short anyway, and I should have known that I couldn't say anything anyway. It's been something personal with me and him since I got in the league. This was just the perfect game for him to try and make me look bad." |
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I like this section on Bavetta: Quote:
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what the fuck is an excrept
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10-30-2009, 09:27 AM | #18 |
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I believe the first time he did this to me I would try and laugh it off. The second time I would use a squirt gun with HOT HOT HOT sauce to ensure it never happened again. |
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10-30-2009, 09:49 AM | #22 | |
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See, I look at it different. I think it's interesting that when his allegations first came out about refs impacting games with certain players, the first reaction from the NBA was to say "We'll stop sharing who is going to ref the game until an hour or two before gametime" Of course they denied anything was up, but it's damned interesting how it was handled. I could easily see this heading in the direction of Canseco. The jerk and cheater writes a horribly written book and it turns out he's the expert on what was happening. |
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10-30-2009, 10:12 AM | #23 | |
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Don't worry though the NBA is "reviewing" the allegations! NBA: Any Tim Donaghy allegations will be reviewed - ESPN The NBA's response to this has been a disaster, but they haven't really been called out on it to any real degree, so I guess they know what they're doing. Phil Jackson (and others) are right, the referee function should be outsourced to an independent, transparent entity. |
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10-30-2009, 10:16 AM | #24 | |
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I'm not at all doubting that a portion of it is true. It's just that first excerpt about these "games" came across as completely ridiculous to me. There's no doubt in my mind that refs were gambling and they knew (and shared?) the tendencies of other refs and how it could affect spreads. I'm thinking he just didn't have enough to fill out a book, so he sensationalized some crap. |
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10-30-2009, 12:16 PM | #26 |
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The fact the book got pulled before it hit the streets makes me believe for sure there's way more truth to this thing than they're letting on. Canseco just benefited from a sport where no one would pay off a publisher not to put out a book. But the NBA and David Stern? He runs that thing like the gestapo.
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10-30-2009, 12:26 PM | #27 |
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10-30-2009, 12:49 PM | #28 |
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Donaghy is a first rate scumbag, but anyone that doesn't believe this stuff goes on is either purposefully oblivious and/or a fool.
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10-30-2009, 01:20 PM | #29 | |
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One that can simply not have their services renewed if the NBA didn't like how the games were being officiated? If this is going on to the level he describes you don't think Stern could just contact the head of this independent organization and say he's not pleased with what the officials are doing and that if some changes (wink wink) are not made that the contract for their company will not be renewed? At the end of the day all sports are open to manipulation whether its the strike zone of an umpire, the determination of holding or pass interference in football or what goes on in basketball. How about we just let the players call their own fouls? They'll either call a foul on every possession like they think happens now or they will all man up and hardly call much of anything because they don't want to look like a puss. Let the refs call jump balls, out of bounds and other non-foul violations which wouldn't impact the game nearly as much. It would at least make for better game flow and people would tune in to see if fights break out on a regular basis |
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I remember a game several years ago where AI looked at Javie after getting a foul called and getting T'd up for it. Then when he asked what he did to get the Technical he got tossed. That led to Larry Brown getting tossed and ripping Javie after the game for always targeting and baiting AI - basically saying that when Javie works their games he knows it's going to be a long night. |
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You would think that Phil Jackson, the coach of the mentioned Lakers/Kings game, and owner of 10 championship rings, would keep his mouth shut.... Unless he thinks he was robbed of more rings. |
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10-30-2009, 01:31 PM | #32 |
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This Tim Donaghy story is the most undereported story of the last couple decades in sports. I'm not talking about the book per say, just the whole story.
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10-31-2009, 01:56 AM | #34 |
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