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Old 08-14-2009, 08:00 PM   #1
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Just Had The Shock of A Lifetime.

My 2nd oldest brother came out of the closet today.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:04 PM   #2
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:08 PM   #3
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Good for him. There's nothing more paralyzing than denying such an essential part of one's self.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:09 PM   #4
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:16 PM   #5
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I'm happy for him, but I'm still trying to get over the shock of it. A very surreal moment for me and my family.
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“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:20 PM   #6
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Good for him!
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:20 PM   #7
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If you dont mind the question, where was the conversation? Over dinner?

seriously, just wondering if there is more of a story there.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:58 PM   #8
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My brother and I had been roommates since I went to school. He was going to move out in November because I wanted to get out on my own. This was before I knew anything about his orientation, so I don't want anyone to think I'm throwing him out.

I was actually walking to the bathroom when he called me over to his room to tell me. At first, I thought he was messing with me, but he told me he wasn't kidding. I just replied "okay" and went to the bathroom. I came back and he explained why he hid it for so long (my dad would had literally killed him when he originally wanted to tell us in 1984 and felt guilty over it. He also knows that my ex is a moron and would equate homosexuality with pedophilia and didn't want that affecting my visitation with my son). I listened intently and asked him what he wanted to do next. We ended up going home to see mom and tell the rest of the family.

We're still in shock, but not one person has been unsupportive. He's family and we would never disown him over something like that. It took a tremendous amount of courage to tell us. We feel better (he does too) that he doesn't have hide himself. The only person not to know is my son, but he will be told when my brother moves out as that will be one less headache to deal with.
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“One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.”
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“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:00 PM   #9
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No suspicions? Has he dated women?
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:07 PM   #10
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No suspicions? Has he dated women?
I had no idea! None of my brothers or mom knew. We were in the dark. He was very secretive about his personal life even as we lived together.

He was once married to a woman after he left the Air Force. He became a member of a church believing that God would cure him of his homosexuality, but you can't "pray the gay away." He tried to be a good husband but his wife had an affair, so he decided to that he live his life but keep it from everyone. He did a fantastic job of hiding it.
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“One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.”
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“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”

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Old 08-14-2009, 09:11 PM   #11
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My brother and I had been roommates since I went to school. He was going to move out in November because I wanted to get out on my own. This was before I knew anything about his orientation, so I don't want anyone to think I'm throwing him out.

I was actually walking to the bathroom when he called me over to his room to tell me. At first, I thought he was messing with me, but he told me he wasn't kidding. I just replied "okay" and went to the bathroom. I came back and he explained why he hid it for so long (my dad would had literally killed him when he originally wanted to tell us in 1984 and felt guilty over it. He also knows that my ex is a moron and would equate homosexuality with pedophilia and didn't want that affecting my visitation with my son). I listened intently and asked him what he wanted to do next. We ended up going home to see mom and tell the rest of the family.

We're still in shock, but not one person has been unsupportive. He's family and we would never disown him over something like that. It took a tremendous amount of courage to tell us. We feel better (he does too) that he doesn't have hide himself. The only person not to know is my son, but he will be told when my brother moves out as that will be one less headache to deal with.

Dude thats awesome.
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:54 PM   #12
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Pretty amazing that he was able to hide it all those years. It's hard to imagine what it must be like feeling like you have to work that hard to keep your life secret.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:22 PM   #13
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Thumbs up for being supportive.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:23 PM   #14
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Glad to hear that he's finally been able to tell you guys and that the response has been good. Keep it up, he'll need all the support he can get for the next little while.

My step dad had one of his brothers come out about 7 or 8 years ago but I wasn't all that surprised. He was married at one time and has two kids, but his son won't have anything to do with him...pretty sad.
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Old 08-14-2009, 11:29 PM   #15
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How old is he? It's amazing (and sad) that he kept it a secret all these years.
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Old 08-15-2009, 01:03 AM   #16
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My youngest brother is gay also and support is the key, it's something that has never made any of us bat an eyelash and he has mentioned how much more comfortable he is since he came out.

Good for you and your family for being supportive. I am sure it was a heavy cross to bear not knowing the reaction he would get and his relief is probably palpable right now.
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:04 AM   #17
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How old is he? It's amazing (and sad) that he kept it a secret all these years.
He'll be 41 in September.

Yes, it's amazing (just because he's my brother and roommate and never once thought he might be gay), but I can see that it would be easy in a place like Oklahoma. We Okies don't exactly have a lot of tolerance of gays, but we also pretend they don't exist here. Most know where the gay communities are in OKC and Tulsa and stay out of those areas, so him going to those places undetected by those that know him would be easy.
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“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”
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Old 08-17-2009, 08:48 AM   #18
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Old 08-17-2009, 09:00 AM   #19
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Wht flere said and congrats to your brother for being brave, must have taken real guts imho
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Old 08-17-2009, 09:28 AM   #20
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Your brother and my brother need to get together.

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