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Well done and I totally agree with your last sentance. Also, while I was like, what about the Maurader's Map stuff!!1! at the time, I realize now that it really isn't that important. I mean, really, what it does it matter that his dad was one of those pranksters? I think showing his attitude towards young Snape demonstrated that more than adequately.
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Well, keep in mind that I wrote that after watching the movies, reading the books, then re-watching the movies and discussing the holes that were filled in after reading the books. All of those were things that helped me understand the plot of the movies much better in areas that made little sense, or things I thought they were going to need to make the end of the story in HBP and DH make any sense at all. After how much I left GoF and OotP confused, I don't know that these next three movies would make much sense had I not read the books.
Others may well see it differently, but things like Deatheaters, Percy's role in the politics, the key roles Kreacher and Dobby play, the importance of the prophecy, all would have helped OotP make a lot more sense when I watched it the first time.
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That had a lot more to do with my not understanding Sirius' relationship as Harry's godfather, where Lupin fit in, and why they cared so much about Pettigrew. A couple of dialog lines in a movie don't really explain everything. It's like saying "because I said so" when you're a parent; that may work on a 3 year old, but does not work with teenagers or adults. And there are too many instances where the movies ask you to just accept a character's motivation without ever explaining it, and I'm left wanting / wondering. Others have said they walked out of GoF and OotP perfectly happy, but I walked out somewhat confused after GoF and VERY confused after OotP, and reading the books cleared all of that up for me and made the second watchings much more enjoyable than the first, because it was much easier to accept the one-dialog-line explanations for things.
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There were so many storylines set up by that battle it will force them into re-introducing a dozen characters in movie 7. I guess they decided to dumb this movie down by cutting the number of characters but they went way too far. We see 2 members of the OotP (outside of the Weasley family), 4 members of the Death Eaters outside Draco/Snape (2 of which weren't even identified) and what, 3 other students with only Luna getting any screen time outside the teenage love quadrangle? In a 2.5 hour movie you can't go in-depth on 50 characters, but Lord of the Rings got about 15 fleshed out well, a few in less than 10 minutes of screen time, and it wouldn't have hurt to have the various teachers/DA/Death Eaters throwing spells around in the backround or hearing explosions while the same basic scene (except actually add Snape delivering his retort about closing the mind that leaves doubt as to whether Snape is good or evil for Book 7) plays out in the foreground. This is supposed to be a civilizational showdown between absolute titans in the wizarding world and its portrayed as the wizarding equivalent of Point Break's Presidents of the United States on one side and the Goonies on the other. Last edited by BishopMVP : 07-22-2009 at 12:09 AM. |
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I think that's key though, that you read the book BEFORE watching Order. That was where I really lost the plot, and I enjoyed the movie a lot more AFTER watching the book. But the first time I watched that movie I was very confused about why several things were happening. And some of the key plot points I mentioned much earlier were things that helped me understand a lot better what was going on.
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Yeah, the order moved pretty quick and I can see that. I also agree on the final battle scene. The battle worked so well in the Order movie, it's a shame they didn't try it with a slight twist in HBP. That's the one omission that I think was a big mistake.
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I was hoping to see it in IMAX last night (I guess Transformers II is exclusive until July 29th) and probably won't pay again now, but I guarantee that opening sequence would be pretty awesome there. |
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I thought the movie was enjoyable enough as a movie, but as a Harry Potter fan, I was let down. In the same way that I think that key points were left out of the 5th movie, key things were left out of this movie that will have to be rectified in the final films.
I also thought that the extra scene at the Burrow was awkward and felt out of place. If I remember correctly, it was something JKR had put into the draft and it didn't make it into the final version of the book...I think it was a wise cut by the editors. I didn't think the opening sequence needed to be changed from the book, with Harry flirting with a coffee girl instead of going to the Dursley's, but I guess it wasn't a terrible thing. It was interesting to see that they portrayed Molly Weasley as much more nervous about sending them back to school, etc than she seemed in the book. I also don't really get why they changed the sequence with Borgin & Burke's so much. In that scene and also in ohters, it seemed like Harry forgot he had an invisibility cloak in the movie where in the book it was meant to be a constant companion. Other things I'm kind of annoyed were missing:
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All in all, excluding the first 2 movies, my least favorite is the 4th, then HBP, then the 3rd and 5th are my favorites. This was quite a letdown. /tk
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