Transformers Revenge of the Fallen

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Don't pout. Be a Mex-i-can, not a Mex-i-can't!

Just do a google image search of "Caitlin Schmidt", see what comes up and take it from there!

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Don't pout. Be a Mex-i-can, not a Mex-i-can't!

Just do a google image search of "Caitlin Schmidt", see what comes up and take it from there!

I did that just now. There's too many results and none looked like Megan Fox.

[Cringer]

My daughter and I saw this yesterday, enjoyed it. I think I may like it more then the 1st one, simply because the fight scenes were better to me. I was able to follow the fight scenes better. The woods fight scene was the best of both movies, with a non-upclose shot that was great, and Prime being how you would want him to be. I do wish for more focus on Autobots who are not there as comic relief, but oh well.

I think the biggest part of the movie for us though was the preview for The Last Airbender, the first if the Avatar trilogy coming next year. It was all we talked about on the way home.

[Schmidty]

[quote=Honolulu_Blue;2057730
Just do a google image search of "Caitlin Schmidt", see what comes up and take it from there![/QUOTE]

Haha!! That's not her last name!! And you will never know!!!!

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Haha!! That's not her last name!! And you will never know!!!!

Is this her:
http://www.myspace.com/boatyardbully

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Is this her:
http://www.myspace.com/boatyardbully

Nope. She lives back home somewhere in Michigan. I will not tell you more than that.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I did that just now. There's too many results and none looked like Megan Fox.

HAHAH I found her on Facebook! WOOT!...

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

HAHAH I found her on Facebook! WOOT!...

Share please.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Nope. She lives back home somewhere in Michigan. I will not tell you more than that.

Hmm...

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Share please.

I'm just kidding. I wouldn't do that to Schmidty, he's one of my favorite guys on here.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

I'm just kidding. I wouldn't do that to Schmidty, he's one of my favorite guys on here.

Don't tease.

[revrew]

Saw it yesterday. BTW, part of what I do for a living is review movies for an online site, but I won't be reviewing this one. Also, as background, I was a Tranformers nut as a child, though I'm not an uber-geek who fusses and whines when the modern day adaptations stray from the storyline a little bit - that's par for the course. Also as background, I enjoyed the first movie very much, though I thought the final battle scenes were difficult to follow, a bit nonsensical, and kind of a downer after all the build-up. Slightly disappointed in #1, partly because of my love for the Transformers, but still enjoyed it.

#2 is a different animal. There's a reason many sequels stink. Most sequels = add more sex, more violence, more profanity, more explosions, and...oh, yeah, was there a script or a storylilne around here somewhere? Sry, forgot.

#2 followed that formula to the typical results. This movie is a typical sequel - it sucks.

The robots, people, the robots. That's why we watch these movies (yeah, okay, I understand the people who will argue for Megan Fox). This movie added some new ones, some interesting characters, but then, forgot to really develop them, added some INCREDIBLY stupid characters, an extra hour of footage about horny college hotties, dogs humping each other, and Sam's mom on marijuana, all to which I say, "O..M..G. Did some 12-year-old edit and write this thing?"

For Transformer nuts, like myself, there was probably a good movie in there somewhere, some interesting characters (Glad to see Soundwave and Rampage make the character list) - but it was buried and smothered in sheer stupidity and pointless "get a boner, 14-year-olds in the audience" sexuality. haha, look, a robot humping Megan Fox's leg -ha,ha. O look, puke, ha,ha. O look, a 15-foot long tongue coming out of a hot chick's face, ha ha. Gag me.

I liked the first movie; I really did. The second one was just sad to watch.

[Marc Vaughan]

Saw it this evening with my sons - thought it was fair enough as a movie, not going to rush out and buy it on BluRay but the kids loved it and it was watchable enough ... was never really going to be a classic

[MJ4H]

Just got back from watching this. Thought it was horrendous. Megan Fox multiplied in hotness by about 100 from the first movie to the second, though. The movie itself, though? Seriously, one of the worst pieces of shit I've ever sat through. I thought the first one was decently fun.

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Just got back from watching this. Thought it was horrendous. Megan Fox multiplied in hotness by about 100 from the first movie to the second, though. The movie itself, though? Seriously, one of the worst pieces of shit I've ever sat through. I thought the first one was decently fun.

As a non-transformers guy that was thinking about seeing this because he thought the first one was decently fun, I am now scared away.

[Chief Rum]

Just saw this.

It was funny (not the movie, what I'm about to say), because there were just a ton of times when I was saying, "Okay, that was really dumb" or "that was awkward" or "that doesn't make any sense", but the man-child adolescent that resides deep in my subconsciousness still found plenty of moments in the movie where it was saying, "That looked awesome."

Some of them didn't even involve Megan Fox, who looked absolutely stunning (of course). She reminds me of Schmidty's sister.

Seriously, this movie is inane. Doesn't make any sense. But if you can turn your brain off for a couple hours and enjoy all the fight scenes and explosions and the different robots, it might be worth a matinee price ticket (better to see that stuff in the theater usually anyway).

[law90026]

Watched it and it's not a super movie by any means. It's at best a 3 out of 5 for me.

Having said that, I didn't expect much. It's a summer blockbuster after all and it was obvious that big explosions would be expected with little storyline (it is Michael Bay after all).

I thought the first half was pretty good up till the forest fight. Honestly, the fight scenes were pretty cool.

However, once the desert section started, that's where my wife and I started sniggering. It really started to become stupid/silly and really became unintentional comedy.

Having said that, it's not a terrible movie, just not great.

[Alan T]

Saw the movie with my wife. Not really going to go over all of the annoying or dumb parts of the movie since those get the most coverage here at FOFC anyways.

I did like parts of it just fine though, but part of the storyline just confused the heck out of me.

In spoiler tags:

Spoiler

I thought Megatron and Prime were always brothers.. and Megatron was always the leader of the Decepticons, but now Prime is brothers with the other Primes and the Fallen who is now the leader of the Decepticons?

[Schmidty]

It's my wife's birthday today, and I'm debating whether I should mention going to see this.

[revrew]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

It's my wife's birthday today, and I'm debating whether I should mention going to see this.

NO. good. golly. no. And remember, it's a 3-hour movie. No.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by revrew

NO. good. golly. no. And remember, it's a 3-hour movie. No.

It's not 3 hours - it's 2.5 hours.

[LoneStarGirl]

GoldenEagle and I went last night for his birthday to watch this and we both enjoyed it. There were too many pre-teens there and when the curse words were mentioned, especially the p-word, there were gasps from all the parents and obnoxious snickers from the kids. I have heard a lot of parents complaining about the bad words and how inappropriate it was for their kids to watch.... and the panties scene in the college dorm has a lot of parents upset as well.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

GoldenEagle and I went last night for his birthday to watch this and we both enjoyed it. There were too many pre-teens there and when the curse words were mentioned, especially the p-word, there were gasps from all the parents and obnoxious snickers from the kids. I have heard a lot of parents complaining about the bad words and how inappropriate it was for their kids to watch.... and the panties scene in the college dorm has a lot of parents upset as well.

It was a PG-13, didn't see anything inappropriate for that age range imho.

The kids I took were 9, 9 and 6 and to be honest I didn't see anything I thought offensive for that age level either - some parents get all worked up over nothing imho, heck my kids hear worse words than in that movie when I'm worked up and I'm fairly mellow imho (oh and kids old enough to be excited by a girl in a bra will have seen one already - most houses have a mail order catalogue or cosmopolitan magazine to hand somewhere, ones younger won't be interested anyway imho).

I always thought that was the idea of a 'PG' - its parental guidance, you decide yourself and if you are in the moral minority who get worked up over nothing there are oodles of hyper critical review sites full of rabid people who see every movie and try and get excited about how immoral they all are - if you can't be bothered to do that then imho you pass up your right to moan as you obviously aren't that bothered

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by revrew

NO. good. golly. no. And remember, it's a 3-hour movie. No.

Too late. We went. Our daughter's in Cali visiting her grandparents, and since we normally wouldn't take her to a film like this after hearing about some of the stuff that was in it, we figured we'd take our opportunity while we could.

It was crap. I really liked the first one, but this one was embarrassing to watch. Maybe sad is a better description.

I enjoy big, loud, uncomplicated action movies sometimes, but this just tried to add TOO MUCH of everything. Not only was there too much, but the stuff that was there, was terrible. Horribly crass, juvenile, and trashy - those are just a few descriptions that come to mind. I mean, I'm fine with a potty joke or two on occasion, but this was just too much. The lame quips, sexual jokes, robots and dogs humping (not each other thankfully), hairy middle aged ass-cheeks, robot testicles, and on and on. It all just stopped being funny after a few minutes, and just became distracting.

Anyway, the CGI was very good, the action was ok, but the rest of it was absolute, IQ reducing garbage.

[JonInMiddleGA]

re:

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

in the moral minority

Based on what's described here, specifically the sexual based humor, I doubt you'd find less than 50% of parents in the U.S. who would be upset if they knew their kids were seeing it. Close run at best, and a damned long way from the way you seem to be trying to portray it.

I think it's important to remember that this isn't an obvious content concern movie for a lot of parents. It's not as though it's titled "Spring Break: Girls Go Wild. They remember Transformers as a cartoon, strictly kids stuff. Unfortunately, too many won't bother to do the required due diligence, even fewer will because of their preconceived ideas about the movie.

Meanwhile, I'm just waiting to find out if Tarantino sticks any unnecessary sexual content in Inglourious Basterds. If not, me & my 11 year old are so there.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Meanwhile, I'm just waiting to find out if Tarantino sticks any unnecessary sexual content in Inglourious Basterds. If not, me & my 11 year old are so there.

What about violence? I have heard there is a bat-wielding Nazi hunter in the film.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

What about violence? I have heard there is a bat-wielding Nazi hunter in the film.

I was thinking the same thing. Titties and ass? Fuck no!!! Brain-spattered walls? Fuck yeah!!!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

What about violence? I have heard there is a bat-wielding Nazi hunter in the film.

Which reminded us a lot of the baseball bat usage in Fallout 3

After watching the trailers & the clips, the movie looks almost hilarious because it's so campy.

[MJ4H]

Speaking of T&A how is this thread less than 85% Megan Fox? That first scene with her on the motorcycle the whole theater gasped.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I was thinking the same thing. Titties and ass? Fuck no!!! Brain-spattered walls? Fuck yeah!!!

That's easy.

We've dealt with the difference in the use of violence in IRL vs films/games/TV.
We haven't dealt fully with every sexual situation presented in movies, and I'm in no hurry whatsoever to do so.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

That's easy.

We've dealt with the difference in the use of violence in IRL vs films/games/TV.
We haven't dealt fully with every sexual situation presented in movies, and I'm in no hurry whatsoever to do so.

You are way too serious sometimes. And I see what you're saying.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Too late. We went. Our daughter's in Cali visiting her grandparents, and since we normally wouldn't take her to a film like this after hearing about some of the stuff that was in it, we figured we'd take our opportunity while we could.

It was crap. I really liked the first one, but this one was embarrassing to watch. Maybe sad is a better description.

I enjoy big, loud, uncomplicated action movies sometimes, but this just tried to add TOO MUCH of everything. Not only was there too much, but the stuff that was there, was terrible. Horribly crass, juvenile, and trashy - those are just a few descriptions that come to mind. I mean, I'm fine with a potty joke or two on occasion, but this was just too much. The lame quips, sexual jokes, robots and dogs humping (not each other thankfully), hairy middle aged ass-cheeks, robot testicles, and on and on. It all just stopped being funny after a few minutes, and just became distracting.

Anyway, the CGI was very good, the action was ok, but the rest of it was absolute, IQ reducing garbage.

What were you expecting? An Oscar winner?

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

What were you expecting? An Oscar winner?

Obviously not. You're directing a comment like that at the wrong guy.

It's funny that you're saying that, since that's my argument about just about every other summer action thriller, including the original Transformers(which I really liked). I can usually shut my brain off, but this is one of the first movies I can remember that tried to shut it off for me. It was just.........tooooooo much. And unneededly low-brow.

Yeah, I get people looking at my opinion the way they may be (like you). I have looked at other opinions the same way, but for the first time, I felt rippped-off.

It's possible for a huge, fun action film to not insult the viewer at the same time as it entertains them. I just got done watching "Hot Fuzz" for the umpteenth time, and it just reinforces that feeling.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

re:

Based on what's described here, specifically the sexual based humor, I doubt you'd find less than 50% of parents in the U.S. who would be upset if they knew their kids were seeing it. Close run at best, and a damned long way from the way you seem to be trying to portray it.

I think it's important to remember that this isn't an obvious content concern movie for a lot of parents. It's not as though it's titled "Spring Break: Girls Go Wild. They remember Transformers as a cartoon, strictly kids stuff. Unfortunately, too many won't bother to do the required due diligence, even fewer will because of their preconceived ideas about the movie.

Meanwhile, I'm just waiting to find out if Tarantino sticks any unnecessary sexual content in Inglourious Basterds. If not, me & my 11 year old are so there.

I think we learned in the tyketime 911 thread that not everyone agrees with your interpretation of parenting. I do believe there is a significant percentage of parents who see things as you do, but I also believe that you don't really have a handle on how many parents do not believe as you do, so while I can acknowledge your viewpoint as a significant one to consider, I would consider Marc's viewpoint as significant and as likely to be consistent with parents in general as yours is.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I think we learned in the tyketime 911 thread that not everyone agrees with your interpretation of parenting. I do believe there is a significant percentage of parents who see things as you do, but I also believe that you don't really have a handle on how many parents do not believe as you do, so while I can acknowledge your viewpoint as a significant one to consider, I would consider Marc's viewpoint as significant and as likely to be consistent with parents in general as yours is.

I don't know what the hell the tyketime 911 thread is, but Transformers 2 still sucked.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I don't know what the hell the tyketime 911 thread is, but Transformers 2 still sucked.

Heh...yeah, not saying T2 was good. See my comments above. Also not saying Jon is wrong. Just noting that his viewpoint on the matter of parenting on at least one notable recent occasion did not end up representing a consensus opinion on that topic, and that I would be wary of accepting his take on this particular issue either without something more evidentiary to back it up.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Obviously not. You're directing a comment like that at the wrong guy.

It's funny that you're saying that, since that's my argument about just about every other summer action thriller, including the original Transformers(which I really liked). I can usually shut my brain off, but this is one of the first movies I can remember that tried to shut it off for me. It was just.........tooooooo much. And unneededly low-brow.

Yeah, I get people looking at my opinion the way they may be (like you). I have looked at other opinions the same way, but for the first time, I felt rippped-off.

It's possible for a huge, fun action film to not insult the viewer at the same time as it entertains them. I just got done watching "Hot Fuzz" for the umpteenth time, and it just reinforces that feeling.

Actually, it was just a joke. That was the type of comment used against me earlier in the thread when I said I hated the first film.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I think we learned in the tyketime 911 thread that not everyone agrees with your interpretation of parenting. I do believe there is a significant percentage of parents who see things as you do, but I also believe that you don't really have a handle on how many parents do not believe as you do, so while I can acknowledge your viewpoint as a significant one to consider, I would consider Marc's viewpoint as significant and as likely to be consistent with parents in general as yours is.

CR, I don't care if you go to the most liberal town in the US, let's pick Berkeley just for the hell of it. Or if you want to go east, pick somewhere in Massachusetts or whatever suits you. Take the scenes described here & relate them to the parents of 13 year olds, much less 9-12 year olds (as Lone Star Girl mentioned). If you can find even 40% who say they don't have a problem with that content for their kids then I'm a fucking monkey's uncle. Hell, you'd probably lose a good 10% of even the most liberal on the basis of objectifying women alone, never mind the more traditional sexual aspects.

I found his attempt to characterize those who would object as some sort of small minority more than just a little bit offensive and completely out of touch with American societal values. I won't argue that enough parents don't fail to do adequate due diligence to match even their own values but if you put that content in front of them (that's a whole different rant) but you & I both know it would fail with a major chunk of the population.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

CR, I don't care if you go to the most liberal town in the US, let's pick Berkeley just for the hell of it. Or if you want to go east, pick somewhere in Massachusetts or whatever suits you. Take the scenes described here & relate them to the parents of 13 year olds, much less 9-12 year olds (as Lone Star Girl mentioned). If you can find even 40% who say they don't have a problem with that content for their kids then I'm a fucking monkey's uncle. Hell, you'd probably lose a good 10% of even the most liberal on the basis of objectifying women alone, never mind the more traditional sexual aspects.

I found his attempt to characterize those who would object as some sort of small minority more than just a little bit offensive and completely out of touch with American societal values. I won't argue that enough parents don't fail to do adequate due diligence to match even their own values but if you put that content in front of them (that's a whole different rant) but you & I both know it would fail with a major chunk of the population.

That might be the case, but until someone does exactly that sorta study, I am as welcome to my opinion as you are to yours. Much as you feel you believe he misrepresented what came to be your stance as a minority (something I did not see in his post, actually, but you're welcome to your opinion if that's what you think he was saying), I believe you misrepresent your own opinion as a consensus opinion that in fact you have provided no evidence to support.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

What were you expecting? An Oscar winner?

Why does people say stuff like this? I don't get it. Yes, there are different levels of expectations for movies, but I have seen enough "mindless action movies" to know good ones from bad ones. I am not looking for "Oscar level" anything, but you can't just excuse a crap film by shrugging and saying "Hey! It's supposed to be crap! What did you expect?"

Movies like "Die Hard', "Iron Man", "Dark Knight", "Matrix", "Terminator 2", the first and third "Indiana Jones" movies, the original Star Wars films, etc. have shown us that you can make very good summer popcorn type flicks that have great action, explosions, and all that fun stuff and still manage to find time for a decent plot, developed characters, good dialogue maybe a meaningful theme or idea or two.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

(something I did not see in his post, actually, but you're welcome to your opinion if that's what you think he was saying)

Not sure how you missed it, or the snarky tone it was delivered with but here goes

if you are in the moral minority who get worked up over nothing

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Why does people say stuff like this? I don't get it. Yes, there are different levels of expectations for movies, but I have seen enough "mindless action movies" to know good ones from bad ones. I am not looking for "Oscar level" anything, but you can't just excuse a crap film by shrugging and saying "Hey! It's supposed to be crap! What did you expect?"

Movies like "Die Hard', "Iron Man", "Dark Knight", "Matrix", "Terminator 2", the first and third "Indiana Jones" movies, the original Star Wars films, etc. have shown us that you can make very good summer popcorn type flicks that have great action, explosions, and all that fun stuff and still manage to find time for a decent plot, developed characters, good dialogue maybe a meaningful theme or idea or two.

Thanks for making my point for me as I fully agree with everything you said. As I noted to Schmidty a few posts above, my response was meant to be sarcastic, since I received the same type of criticism earlier in the thread for trashing the first film.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Thanks for making my point for me as I fully agree with everything you said. As I noted to Schmidty a few posts above, my response was meant to be sarcastic, since I received the same type of criticism earlier in the thread for trashing the first film.

Ah. Cool. Sarcasm is hard to detect on the interwebs. I am glad we are in agreeance.

[sterlingice]

I saw it and I know this is damning with faint praise but my review is basically "It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be".

My wife and I were at the Udvar-Hazy Smithsonian, basically the Air and Space annex out at Dulles with the stuff that doesn't fit in the main museum: the Enola Gay, space shuttle Enterprise, a Boeing 707, a Concorde, and a lot more. They were showing the movie on their Imax as about 5 minutes of the movie are filmed there- the part where they go to get Jetfire in the museum- as that's their SR71 blackbird and that's the Udvar-Hazy center. We figured even a bad movie beat going right into the teeth of DC's rush hour on our way back to Richmond.

Spoiler

As for the movie itself, my wife and I literally spent about a half hour bashing down our expectations in the line as neither of us really cared for the first, so we were pleasantly surprised- expected about a 3, got about a 5 out of the movie.

First the complaints as what went wrong sticks out more than what went right. There was a lot of stupid stuff that just went on too long or could have been cut, but that was true of the first one- did we really need Sam's mom high on pot for no reason for 5 minutes? And there were clearly scenes where Bay was just trying to, well I'd claim needlessly, tittilate such as where the robot girl retracting her tail so that we get a full shot of her ass, the stupid professor of Astronomy scene*, or many, many slow motion running scenes where Megan Fox's cleavage is the star ala Baywatch. Frankly, even at target market age 14, my intelligence would have been insulted by a bunch of this.

Once again, hardly any of the robots have character at all except a little Bumblebee, a little Optimus, and the comic relief. Also, Bay has horrible pacing where you have stuff like building up Devastator only to have him hit by one super weapon that they never use again, no real buildup to Optimus dying, the final fight once Prime is back alive lasting about 30 seconds but Sam running through the ruins takes about 30 minutes, etc- it seems like he spins a wheel to determine how long scenes should be.

That said, the humans, save Sam's mom, were actually much more tolerable than in the first movie. The first half hour of the first movie is almost unwatchable as you watch Sam fumble through life but he's decent here except for stupidly falling for robo-girl. Mikaela was actually likeable instead of a petulant child. John Tuturro and all the military guys were pretty good.

It was quite fun to watch on an Imax as there were quite a few good effects and action sequences. They were a bit jerky and I don't like that style at all- for instance, the next action sequence I can actually see and comprehend in the current James Bond incarnation will be the first- but I'm going to chalk some of that up to it being on a 6 story tall screen.

So, in all, pretty good action sequences but jerky, half watchable action movie characters (humans) and half not (robots), horrible pacing but a decent plot with action movie size plot holes- you get the picture, flawed but had its moments. Overestimate at your own peril, but it's not awful either.

*Movies: horribly misrepresenting college, since... ever.

SI

[terpkristin]

I saw it last night at Udvar-Hazy. Highlight was seeing the SR-71 be a Transformer.

But I went in with low expectations and was still disappointed. Sure, there were lots of explosions but there were too many times where I had no idea who was blowing up who, which Decepticon I was watching, etc. And in IMAX, the scenes where the camera rotates around and around just made me nauseous (though, I'm on a new medicine which has side effects of nausea, vertigo, and sleepiness, so some of that may have been helped along by the medicine).

/tk