06-18-2009, 08:22 PM | #1 | ||
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Don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere and I guess I understand the intent of the bill but the fact that I can trade in a piece of shit $200 car for a '10 Chevy Camero on the taxpayer's dollar AND that it is supposed to be a bill to help save the environment seems preposterous. Come on politicians if you had some brass you would make the MPG at least 30+. Wonder who had influence on this one?
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06-18-2009, 09:17 PM | #2 |
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i assume there will be a list of cars somewhere that qualify? Kia and the other Korean companies will win on this.
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06-18-2009, 09:19 PM | #3 |
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Wouldn't it be great if all that people went for well-run foreign companies (Honda, Toyota, Kia, ect.)? The term "American" cars is one I hate. Companies like Honda and Toyota are made in America by American workers.
I'm guessing that protectionism for US-based carmakers would violate trade agreements and cause other countries to impose their own protectionism policies against US companies. Last edited by Galaxy : 06-18-2009 at 09:22 PM. |
06-18-2009, 09:23 PM | #4 |
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From what I read, you have to have had the car 1 year and it needs to be rated 18 miles or less or be a 1984 or newer.
Not sure how they rate the older cars...
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06-18-2009, 09:57 PM | #5 | |
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I hear the 18 or less as well - my buddy was going to try and see if his car qualified (its quite a pile), but like he said "even this P.O.S. gets 21 MPG!"
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06-18-2009, 10:13 PM | #6 | |
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I think to get less than 18, it would have to be a sports car, a truck or a car dragging around a 500 lb concrete weight. I had a 84 Pontiac 6000 that was a piece of crap and that got 25. Unless that are going to do something like factor in a decrease of fuel efficiency over time.. like a car becomes 2% less full efficient every year so, a 1984 new would be 30 MPG, but after 25 years, it is 50%.. which might not be true, but who knows. Or, more likely, a person comes in and the dealer asks how efficient it is and the person say 1 MPG and the dealer just signs some stupid document saying their mechanics checked it out and wow... surprise surprise, it does get 1 MPG.
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06-18-2009, 10:27 PM | #7 |
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Hell, if we own GM, I'd be perfectly ok with it being a tax break if you buy GM cars. If we're going to take money out of our tax pockets, we might as well put them back into our tax pockets.
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06-18-2009, 10:27 PM | #8 | |
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My guess is the second. You come in and want to trade your 2000 Saturn for a 2010 Camero and you ask the dealer if you can get the $3500 from the government. Either they fudge the agreement and get the $3500 from the government or they have to find a way to cut $3500 of their possible profit from their own pocket to satisfy you. |
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06-18-2009, 10:29 PM | #9 |
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texas has had a similar program for a few years now, which i'm tangentially involved with: Is your car or truck 10 years old or older? Or has it failed an emissions test? - Texas Commission on Environmental Quality - www.tceq.state.tx.us
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06-18-2009, 10:33 PM | #10 |
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Does anyone have a link to the exact proposal/bill? I have a 98 Monte Carlo that I would LOVE to trade in. It gets like 30MPG though I believe. Pretty crazy that it's a 10 year old car and gets better gas mileage than a lot of shit made today.
I look at what cell phones have transformed into over the last decade. and the progress technologically. The auto industry is embarassing. Last edited by RainMaker : 06-18-2009 at 10:34 PM. |
06-19-2009, 12:51 AM | #12 |
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Cars? I knew they were an advanced people.
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Everything I have seen requred your trade in car to currently have ridiculously low MPG and buy a car with ridiculously high MPG. My eight year old POS did not qualify by a long shot.
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http://cbs13.com/politics/clash.for....2.1050453.html Looks like the Senate approved it on Thursday, and will be in Obama's hands for a signature. Program could start as early as August. To me, this is just another program where I get no benefit from the government for being a responsible person who purchased a fuel efficient car 8 years ago. Last edited by fantom1979 : 06-19-2009 at 02:31 AM. |
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06-19-2009, 08:13 AM | #14 | |
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06-19-2009, 09:12 AM | #15 |
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Now if they could just figure out the whole dental thing...
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06-19-2009, 09:34 AM | #17 |
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This is basically a "Turn in your Hummer or 4WD monster SUV for a FWD SUV and get $3500" program.
The fact that you can get $3500 for going from 18mpg to 22mpg makes a mockery of the program. |
06-19-2009, 09:43 AM | #18 | |
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You don't even have to stretch all the way to 22mpg. 20mpg will do for the $3500 gift. It would take a whopping 23mpg to get that extra grand. If I got this in an email, I'd send it right to the spam folder. Wealthy prince exiled from Mozambique, eh...? |
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06-19-2009, 10:33 AM | #19 | |
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Good guess, and correct. Bill text can be found at hxxp://www.thomas.gov/, look up HR 2346, select "text of legislation" and choose the last option -- "Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate." You'll want Title XIII. Enjoy. |
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