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#101 | |
Wolverine Studios
Join Date: Oct 2003
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I watched the Denver/Dallas game (mainly because Kidd and AC are on my fantasy team). Kidd scored 20 points - most of them on WIDE open shots. Say what you want about Iverson's poor defense but me thinks the Nuggets perimeter defense still blows - but it did make me happy to see J Kidd racking up the stats. If you're looking for a smart, cool, calm guy who knows what the right play is with the game on the line then I don't know that there are many better than Chauncey and what makes that work is the fact that Chauncey now only has to be the guy to setup the play unlike in Detroit where he needed to be the guy to hit the shot. Iverson on the other hand is the guy who can hit the shot with the game on the line - something Detroit didn't have. I think both teams got something they needed there. It's going to take Detroit some time to play with Iverson and some time for him to adapt as well. Detroit won two games with neither Billups or Iverson but with Will Bynum playing - I don't think it means that's the best lineup ![]() Nene looked good the other night too - I can't say that a 15/8 guy is a "great" player but he's certainly not a bum. Then again Dallas doesn't have a 5 man so who knows what his performance was worth. In the end, as a Detroit fan, I think its a great trade for us. I don't know that Iverson gives us a better shot at winning it all this year than Billups but I know that he doesn't give us less of a shot and instead of being saddled with Billups contract for the next few years we've got a ton of cap room starting this coming offseason - I'm interested to see how it plays out. Maybe this is one of the rare times when both teams win in the deal. |
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#102 | |
High School JV
Join Date: Nov 2006
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The numbers show that he either didn't get the ball as often in the games they lost or the other guys didn't convert. Assists don't happen in a vacuum. Well, nothing in basketball does but assists are especially dependent on your cohorts. |
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#103 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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If you watched him play, you'd have seen the difference. You'd also see how well (or in AI's case, how not so well) he usually sets up teammates. |
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#104 |
Wolverine Studios
Join Date: Oct 2003
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I'll say this after watching two games with Iverson - the same problems that existed before the trade are still there. The second unit blows right now but the trade for Iverson can improve that. Nobody off the bench can consistently score. We don't need Iverson, Rip, Prince and Sheed on the floor at once (except in clutch situations). Iverson took less than 20% of the shots from the starting five last night - they need to move either Rip or Prince to the 6th man role - not because Iverson can't play point but because nobody off the bench can score. I don't even think it has anything to do with the point thing - they could start Iverson, Rip, Herrmann, Johnson and Sheed and then have Stuckey and Prince off the bench. There's not enough shots to go around with those four on the floor at once and of those four Iverson should be the first one shooting, not the last.
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#105 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Massachusetts
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Problem is that Rip won't take a demotion to 6th man for ego-reasons (I'd assume), and Prince is the best defender on a play-by-play basis, and I'm not sure that his ego would let him accept a 6th man role either... (just assuming here)
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#106 |
High School Varsity
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Sylvania, Ohio
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Yea, I agree. The starting 5 play very well to start the game. After that, BAM, the second unit comes in and they blow. They really need to mess around with the rotation. Rip needs to be the 6th man or someone needs to hit the bench early to return with the second team. Oh yea, and Hermann is not a viable option. Sorry, I like the guy, but no.
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#107 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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The problem is Sheed. It's a lot easier for everyone else to score if he's playing at the rim but he flat out refuses to do it anymore. We have four guys around the 3 point line waiting for a play to develope, and a work in progress offensivley in Amir in the paint. How are you going to get anything going that way?
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#108 | |
Wolverine Studios
Join Date: Oct 2003
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I disagree - the guy is a gold medalist and look what he did in 2006 when he got some significant playing time for the Bobcats. The last month of that season he had 8 games with 20+ points, including one 30 point, 9 rebound outing. The problem is that Flip wouldn't play him and Curry now seems willing to go to him but judges him based on the first shot he puts up. If he hits, he'll roll with him and usually good things happen but if he throws up a brick he's sent to the bench for most if not all the rest of the game. The guy can play but he needs consistent minutes to show it. |
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#109 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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If McDyess turns down legitimate offers here, to sign for the Pistons for less, they really need to re-evaluate this whole "cut, buyout, return to team thing" that they've got going on. I expect the Cavs will attempt to make some kind of legit offer, obviously they have much more to spend than the Pistons do right now.
And I mean, I guess Antonio has the right to sign wherever he wants. But really, he should be banned from going back to his team of origin for one financial year. I mean, it violates the spirit of the salary cap, and all that junk. But whatever. And it isn't just this one time, this type of shit has happened too many times of late, and I'm sure I ranted about it then when it happens. Even if it seems biased as hell cause I hate the Pistons and like the Cavs. Last edited by stevew : 11-10-2008 at 11:56 PM. |
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#110 | |
High School Varsity
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Sylvania, Ohio
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I dont know, I have seen Hermann throw up brick after brick and be left in for far to long in games. IMO he isnt the best defender and doesnt do much on offense besides throw up jump shots and look unsure of himself. I could be wrong, thats just my impression so far.
I have had a hard time watching Pistons games so far. It appears FSN bought the rights to all of the games this year(an extra 34 games for 70 total), but my cable provider has yet to agree to their new price. As a result, all the games are listed in my guide, but half are blacked out for me. The problem being that I dont know if a game is blacked out until it actually starts. Very frustrating and I end up watching the games on justin.tv. Quote:
The spirit of the salary cap is violated, raped, pillaged, and destroyed over and over every year. I think just about everyone will agree that a few things need to be changed. |
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#111 | ||
Wolverine Studios
Join Date: Oct 2003
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I had the same problem for the opening game but there was a big deal made about it in the papers and on the radio and the cable company got the deal done with FSN right after that. Herrmann could be very useful - he's a high energy player and a pretty reliable shooter. The problem is I think he feels the pressure that when he goes in he needs to score right away or he's done for the night. I forget if it was the Celts or Nets game but he got put in, forced an awful three that wasn't even close and then that was it for the night. That's alot of pressure to go in cold and be expected to start lighting it up right away or else not get back in. Now's the perfect time to give him some legit PT and see if he can play like he did in 06 - its early in the season, McDyess is gone right now, Stuckey's out, Kwame blows. He had a couple nice games earlier - give him some PT and see what happens. Quote:
The salary cap isn't even a salary cap but honestly I don't mind. I like the fact that the NBA has a method of allowing players to stick with one team. I like the fact that while bigger market teams may not mind spending more over the cap than smaller market ones that the big ones can't simply just sign whoever they want from other teams. Baseball sucks like that. |
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#112 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Watched AI against the Lakers last night. I have to say that I'm stunned. He may have played that type of game 6 times in his 140 or so career games with the Nuggets. No forced shots, passed the ball, didn't force himself on the offense. . . made others better. It was a truly stunning thing to see. Maybe he's scared crazy sheed will shank him if he doesn't play right. ![]() The Nuggets continue to play well with Billups, just like I expected they would. (I know, here comes a loss to Minnesota at home tomorrow night) Billups is making his teammates better. He's settling the team down in the fourth quarter and the Nuggets are taking control of teams late. (including the shocker last night against Boston) I think the thing I'm most loving is the lack of respect the Nuggets defense is still getting. Against Boston I heard the announcers yap for over half the game about how poor Denver's D has been. I hate to break it to people, but the Nuggets are 9th in the NBA in FG% against right now. They are 5th in the league in 3pt percentage against. That's even with the horrible numbers they put up against the Cavs. (who shot 57% against them in the worst game they've played this year) Camby not being there has impacted their defense and just like I thought, it's better. After the Lakers game last night, I'm really, really interested to see how AI continues in Detroit. Mjaybe it won't be the failure I envisioned it being. A large part of me is expecting he'll return to the selfish AI and the Pistons will feel the result. But maybe, just maybe, he'll play like the AI that should have existed in Denver. That'd make the Pistons a scary team. (and it'd have made the Nuggets a damned scary team too, but he never played that way in Denver) |
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#113 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Simmons with some thoughts on the Billups-led Nuggets:
ESPN Page 2 - Sports Guy gets in his NBA reps Quote:
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#114 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New Jersey
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Iverson missed practice today and faces a "hefty" fine from the Pistons. Also Stuckey will start in his place Friday:
ESPN - Detroit Pistons guard Allen Iverson faces fine after missing practice Thursday
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#115 |
Roster Filler
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Cicero
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Did we mention he was prima donna?
By the way, just as predicted, every other significant member of the Pistons' has had their FG% go down since the trade.
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#116 | |
College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Philly
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Nice forecasting, Stuckey is starting, Iverson to SG and Rip to SF starting Tuesday. Pistons are 7-8 when Iverson plays including 1-4 at home. Link |
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#117 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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I know that ego prevents starting caliber players from being willing to come off the bench, but the best move for the Pistons, IMHO, would be for Stucky at PG, Iverson at SG, Rip at SF, Wallace at PF, and Brown at C. Then have Prince and McDyess play major minutes off the bench.
Prince would still get his minutes, of course. But it would seem better to have him out there to run the offense when Stucky is on the bench and to provide an offensive option when Rip, AI, or Wallace is on the bench. |
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#118 |
Wolverine Studios
Join Date: Oct 2003
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One of our radio hosts here put it a good way last week - he said the Pistons need to let AI be AI. I think its been tremendously dumb that we traded for Iverson, a pure scorer, and yet have asked him to basically assume the role of Billups. Surely there had to be some PG with an expiring contract that was capable of dribbling the ball up the floor and setting up a stale half court offense if that's what they wanted. Let Iverson push it, let him create, let him play 40 minutes if he wants to. This isn't like Denver where he's got possibly a better offensive option to play along side (like he did Melo) - Rip, Prince, Sheed...these guys are tremendous secondary options but none of them are good enough to be a primary scorer. Sheed probably could be but it would require him showing up willing to play hard (and in the post) for 35 minutes a night every night and that's not happening.
I think this new starting lineup is just as bad as the previous one. I'll stick to my earlier quote and say that either Rip or Prince needs to go to the bench because there's nobody there that can score. If Curry was willing to take a stand and bench AI for a bit because he skipped a practice why can't he tell one of those two to stuff their ego and play the Manu Ginobili role? |
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