Ender Wiggin Series

lordscarlet · 11-18-2008, 05:40 PM

I had no idea they were working on a sequeal to Ender's Game. Orson Scott Card has released Ender in Exile, which comes after Ender's Game, but before Speaker for the Dead.

Amazon.com: Ender in Exile (Ender): Orson Scott Card: Books

SackAttack · 11-18-2008, 05:52 PM

Yeah, came out last week.

I'm a little torn. I thought the Bean series was "okay," but it has kind of felt like Card has gone to the Ender well a little too often. Saw Ender in Exile at work the other day, and I'm not sure if I'm actually going to read it or not.

lordscarlet · 11-18-2008, 05:57 PM

I enjoyed Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. I enjoyed Speaker for the Dead and Xenocided decidedly less. I think I've also read Shadow of the Hegemon, but the fact that I can't remember if I had should tell you whether that was any good (if I, in fact, did read it).

Schmidty · 11-18-2008, 06:10 PM

I really need to get around to reading Ender's Game.

JeeberD · 11-18-2008, 06:21 PM

I'm currently trudging through Xenocide. I flew through Ender's Game and enjoyed Speaker for the Dead, but this one has taken me a while.

So is this book meant to be read between Game and Dead or at the end of the series? Just trying to decide if I should pick it up now or go to Half Price Books and look for Children of the Mind instead...

DaddyTorgo · 11-18-2008, 06:33 PM

yeah umm...amazon was supposta be sending this to me - oh wait - my fault i took it out of my cart and never put it back in - will hafta pick it up at the bookstore i think

Barkeep49 · 11-18-2008, 06:52 PM

I think Speaker for the Dead is brilliant, but in a completely different way than Ender's Game, which is my all time favorite book. The rest of the Speaker's line is pretty not worth it. I nearly gave up on the Ender's Shadow line (which is a good book, though not for how it reinvents certain aspects of the universe) but it did get better.

Crim · 11-18-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I really need to get around to reading Ender's Game.

Do it. Immediately.

Crim · 11-18-2008, 08:11 PM

I agree that Speaker for the Dead is excellent, but really different in every way from the original Ender's Game. Hard for me to pick one favorite all-time book, but Ender's Game would without question be in the running. Top five easily.

Raiders Army · 11-18-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

I enjoyed Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. I enjoyed Speaker for the Dead and Xenocided decidedly less. I think I've also read Shadow of the Hegemon, but the fact that I can't remember if I had should tell you whether that was any good (if I, in fact, did read it).

Ditto to Ender's Game and Shadow. Other than those two books though, I'm not a big fan.

SFL Cat · 11-18-2008, 09:20 PM

There are definitely some stories, books and movies that should be left to stand alone.

MJ4H · 11-18-2008, 09:48 PM

Ender's Game is my #1 favorite book of all-time and it isn't even close.

lordscarlet · 11-19-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I'm currently trudging through Xenocide. I flew through Ender's Game and enjoyed Speaker for the Dead, but this one has taken me a while.

So is this book meant to be read between Game and Dead or at the end of the series? Just trying to decide if I should pick it up now or go to Half Price Books and look for Children of the Mind instead...

Not sure. Timeline wise It is between Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead, so I would imagine as long as you have read Ender's Game (and perhaps Ender's Shadow) it's probably a good time to read it, but I won't know until I read it for myself.

PackerFanatic · 11-19-2008, 03:35 PM

I very much enjoyed Ender's Game, but heard the others dragged the story on a little too much. Not sure if I want to subject myself and taint the image of a fantastic book.

Barkeep49 · 11-19-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I very much enjoyed Ender's Game, but heard the others dragged the story on a little too much. Not sure if I want to subject myself and taint the image of a fantastic book.

As a librarian, I endorse this message. I think this is admirable restraint and think it's a completely logical and good thing to do.

Groundhog · 11-19-2008, 06:24 PM

I thought Ender's Game was an OK book, but I was a little underwhelmed given how much praise I've seen heaped on it. I probably read it later in life than a lot of folks I guess (~23 years old or so). I also read it just after I finished OSC's time-travel story about Columbus (Redemption? Can't remember the exact title), which I thought was a MUCH better book.

I did read a few of the Ender's sequels for some reason, but I can't remember the titles or much of the story, just that I didn't particularily enjoy them.

DaddyTorgo · 11-24-2008, 03:55 PM

are we ever going to see "Hive Queen & the Hegemon" is my question? He seems to have been teasing us with that idea for years now...probably if he's intending to write it he's having trouble with it I guess...

edit: and apparently he doesn't intend to write them.

I guess I can understand not writing "Life of Human" as we sort of get most of that, but I want more nitty-gritty about Peter, and I also want to know wtf was up with the formics more

Barkeep49 · 11-29-2008, 11:24 PM

I'm about 2/3 of the way through Ender in Exile. Thoughts in the spoiler tags, though I won't really be saying anything specific about the plot.

Spoiler

DaddyTorgo · 11-29-2008, 11:33 PM

astute points in the spoiler-tag BK.

11-18-2008, 05:57 PM	#3
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	I enjoyed Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. I enjoyed Speaker for the Dead and Xenocided decidedly less. I think I've also read Shadow of the Hegemon, but the fact that I can't remember if I had should tell you whether that was any good (if I, in fact, did read it). __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

11-18-2008, 06:10 PM	#4
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I really need to get around to reading Ender's Game. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

11-18-2008, 06:21 PM	#5
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I'm currently trudging through Xenocide. I flew through Ender's Game and enjoyed Speaker for the Dead, but this one has taken me a while. So is this book meant to be read between Game and Dead or at the end of the series? Just trying to decide if I should pick it up now or go to Half Price Books and look for Children of the Mind instead... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO Last edited by JeeberD : 11-18-2008 at 06:21 PM.

11-18-2008, 09:48 PM	#12
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Ender's Game is my #1 favorite book of all-time and it isn't even close. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

11-19-2008, 03:35 PM	#14
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I very much enjoyed Ender's Game, but heard the others dragged the story on a little too much. Not sure if I want to subject myself and taint the image of a fantastic book. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

11-18-2008, 05:52 PM	#2
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Yeah, came out last week. I'm a little torn. I thought the Bean series was "okay," but it has kind of felt like Card has gone to the Ender well a little too often. Saw Ender in Exile at work the other day, and I'm not sure if I'm actually going to read it or not.

11-18-2008, 06:33 PM	#6
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	yeah umm...amazon was supposta be sending this to me - oh wait - my fault i took it out of my cart and never put it back in - will hafta pick it up at the bookstore i think

11-18-2008, 06:52 PM	#7
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I think Speaker for the Dead is brilliant, but in a completely different way than Ender's Game, which is my all time favorite book. The rest of the Speaker's line is pretty not worth it. I nearly gave up on the Ender's Shadow line (which is a good book, though not for how it reinvents certain aspects of the universe) but it did get better.

11-18-2008, 09:20 PM	#11
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	There are definitely some stories, books and movies that should be left to stand alone.

11-19-2008, 06:24 PM	#16
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	I thought Ender's Game was an OK book, but I was a little underwhelmed given how much praise I've seen heaped on it. I probably read it later in life than a lot of folks I guess (~23 years old or so). I also read it just after I finished OSC's time-travel story about Columbus (Redemption? Can't remember the exact title), which I thought was a MUCH better book. I did read a few of the Ender's sequels for some reason, but I can't remember the titles or much of the story, just that I didn't particularily enjoy them. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce Last edited by Groundhog : 11-19-2008 at 06:25 PM.

11-24-2008, 03:55 PM	#17
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	are we ever going to see "Hive Queen & the Hegemon" is my question? He seems to have been teasing us with that idea for years now...probably if he's intending to write it he's having trouble with it I guess... edit: and apparently he doesn't intend to write them. I guess I can understand not writing "Life of Human" as we sort of get most of that, but I want more nitty-gritty about Peter, and I also want to know wtf was up with the formics more Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 11-24-2008 at 04:46 PM.

11-29-2008, 11:24 PM	#18
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'm about 2/3 of the way through Ender in Exile. Thoughts in the spoiler tags, though I won't really be saying anything specific about the plot. Spoiler I really enjoyed Ender's Shadow, but I hated it at the same time. I hated how Card robbed from Ender in order to make Bean special. And in Speaker for the Dead the character really isn't Ender either. I mean it is, but Ender has gone through so much that he's a whole different person. A person who is still fascinating and intelligent and a great character, but no longer the character I wished I could be when I first read Ender's Game at 16. And that's really why I felt such mixed feelings about Ender's Shadow. By demeaning Ender and making Bean better, Card was demeaning me. He did this by disparaging who I had hoped to be, and in some ways as an adult in his 20s still hopes to be. Ender in Exile gives me Ender back. Ender is a much more round character than he is in Ender's Game, but it's clear why he was the one, and not Bean, who saved humanity. Just as I had a guide at 16 at what maybe I could be, I have a reminder at 26. This is the true sequel to Ender's Game, or at least it is so far, and I'm happy to have it. Last edited by Barkeep49 : 11-29-2008 at 11:38 PM.

11-29-2008, 11:33 PM	#19
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	astute points in the spoiler-tag BK.

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