Where are you buying your gas from?

[14ers]

With the summer driving months approaching I thought I would pass along this info.

WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON

Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grum bled a bou t it.
It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American
goods. We should return the favor.

An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.

Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into
the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't
import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up
the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me,
my family, and my friends.

I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies
are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle
Eastern oil.

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon/Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels

Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans.
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco..................0 barrels
Conoco................. 0 barrels
Sinclair..................0 barrels
BP/Phillips.............0 barrels
Hess......................0 barrels
ARC0.....................0 barrels

[CraigSca]

Besides the truth that Citgo gas comes exclusively from Venezuela, the rest of the chain mail is false.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

[14ers]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

Besides the truth that Citgo gas comes exclusively from Venezuela, the rest of the chain mail is false.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

Sorry, I am not buying their argument that if the US would stop buying their oil from Middle Eastern countries it would not make any difference. How can they possibly say this???


The numbers may be outdated, but the message is still true.

I avoid products made in China for humanitarian reasons, and I will now do my best to buy gas that does not come from the Middle East. According to your article both Sunuco and Sinclair do not get any of their oil from the Middle East. I have both those stations in my city, and from now on those are the stations I will be using.

[14ers]

Here are the exact oil figures. Seems like you could find a station near you at or around 0% near you to fill your tank up.

Although I am curious as to what happened to the worst offender Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels and who exactly is VALERO MARKETING & SUPPLY CO? I see a lot of 0% by the Shell companies listed and I have never heard of Valero. And, which company listed is Amoco?

[Raiders Army]

If it's cheaper, I'm buying it. I don't avoid products made in China or gas that was made from oil imported from the Middle East. On the oil note, c'mon, you're deluding yourself if you didn't think that the companies that don't import Middle Eastern oil wouldn't if they could.

If I tried to avoid every company that had something to do with something I didn't agree with, I wouldn't buy anything. Do you avoid Wal-Mart? What about McDonald's? Coke put Nutrasweet in their soda a while ago and didn't that help cause cancer?

[Logan]

Gift cards.

[QuikSand]

Petroluem is pretty dirty business, all told. If you think just being "from the Persian Gulf region" is the worst of it... well, you just haven't peeled the onion very far.

[Mustang]

I get my gas from Taco Bell.

And Burger King onion rings

[Radii]

Originally Posted by 14ers

According to your article both Sunuco and Sinclair do not get any of their oil from the Middle East.

That's a little bit of selective reading. How about:

By the way, 86% of all middle eastern oil comes from Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

Sorry, but no. Iraq's oil exports have dropped off considerably since the U.S. invasion of that country in 2003, and even excluding Qatar and Bahrain (because reliable oil export figures for those countries are unavailable), Saudi Arabia and Iraq combined accounted for only 57.4% of crude oil exports from Persian Gulf countries in 2007.

and

by the time crude oil gets from the ground into our gasoline tanks, there's no practical way for consumers to know exactly where it came from. (a good deal of the crude oil purchased from Russia, for example, was oil from Iraqi oil fields sold through Russian middlemen)

most important and the only reason I'm wasting my time posting in this is that some sort of boycott where you still buy as much gas as usual but only buy it from places you think are "clean" is horseshit.

Simply shifting where we buy gasoline isn't nearly as good a solution as the much tougher choice of sharply curtailing the amount of gasoline we buy

You don't want to support the oil industry, go sell your SUV and buy something more fuel efficient, car pool, take public transportation, etc etc, and simply use less, instead of spreading around bullshit ideas.

[Dutch]

I watched a news article on oil as a tradeable commodity on 60 minuntes (or something like that) and it was basically impossible for an end user customer to avoid buying oil from any specific country. I couldn't begin to explain in accurate detail why that was, exactly, hopefully somebody smarter than me could explain it in some layman detail.

[CU Tiger]

We have Valero stations scatteered around upstate SC.
BP=Amoco.

And there is the problem of tank farms.
There is a huge tank farm in Charlotte NC that serves (I think Nc/SC/VA) basically there are hundreds of Silo size fuel tanks along the pipeline. All the gas is pumped into common tanks. So for example CITGO sends in 2,000,000 gallons their trucks can carry out 2,000,000 gallons. But it is not the same 2,000,000 gallons all the fuel is basically mixed together. Each of these tanks has literally dozens of decals on them.

[Rizon]

Over here it seems like the most common gas stations are, in order: Valero, Chevron, then Shell. Valeros are everywhere and I don't see much else of anything besides those other two, except in run down small shop places, where I wouldn't ever go if my life depended on it. Several years ago many Chevron's disapeared and were replaced by Valeros. Maybe it's a west-coast thing.

Sunoco, I believe, is a big supplier in upstate NY, if I remember right. (wife is from up there, that's all I see when I go up there).

[Surtt]

So...
If we stop buying oil from the Mid East, where is it going to come from?

[MrBug708]

Alaska

[MJ4H]

Canada, Venzuela, Mexico, Nigeria, etc. apparently.

[Mustang]

The solution is apparent on how to avoid oil from other countries.



The United States must conquer the world.

[JediKooter]

When was there gas rationing in the United States in the 80s? I remember the long lines and the oil embargo from the 70s, but, can't seem to remember any gas rationing in the 80s.

[stevew]

isn't this being brought about the WrongWay?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Dutch

I watched a news article on oil as a tradeable commodity on 60 minuntes (or something like that) and it was basically impossible for an end user customer to avoid buying oil from any specific country. I couldn't begin to explain in accurate detail why that was, exactly, hopefully somebody smarter than me could explain it in some layman detail.

It's because oil companies sell oil to each other, depending on where it is needed. So if, say, BP is getting a ton of demand because people aren't going to, say, Shell, then BP will buy the oil from Shell to satisfy the demand. In the end it isn't going to make a difference.

[Karlifornia]

I smell a shitty chain letter.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

It's because oil companies sell oil to each other, depending on where it is needed. So if, say, BP is getting a ton of demand because people aren't going to, say, Shell, then BP will buy the oil from Shell to satisfy the demand. In the end it isn't going to make a difference.

Thanks, that sounds about right.