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what is this? an op-ed or something? It reads like fiction. Can you provide a link to it? and is the author the same John Edwards that is running for Pres.?
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Here is the link:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...357.shtml?s=us No, this is not John Edwards, Presidential candidate. |
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Youre right. To the point at hand this solves nothing. BW still lied considering he said that Edwards had this as "official" platform and that he said it. Much like yourself in the other thread (where you still have not apologized or recanted for spewing forth an unsubstantiated lie) he has not substantiated his statement in this one and has, as his track record has shown, run full speed away and not responded or recanted his lie. LYING IS WRONG!!
BTW: NewsMax.com From SourceWatch NewsMax.com (NewsMax Media, Inc.) "serves up the news with a conservative slant. The company publishes alternative news and opinion content through its monthly 300,000-subscriber magazine NewsMax and corresponding Web site. Columnists include Reed Irvine (founder of conservative watchdog group Accuracy In Media) and national broadcasting hosts and analysts Bill O'Reilly, Ed Koch, and Dick Morris. The company generates sales from politically-oriented merchandise (clothing, posters, books) showcasing stars of the Republican Party. It also partners with Random House to publish a series of co-branded books. Former New York Post reporter Christopher Ruddy, the company's CEO, founded NewsMax Media in 1998." --Hoover's Fact Sheet. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=NewsMax.com
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No point in responding to you Flash, you see and hear only what you want to. The socialism thing is plain to anybody that read the article, and if Edwards did not and does not support stemming illegal immigration, then that also speaks for itself.
Just because you want specific words and phrases used, sounds quite frankly, like typical liberal stuff...disregard actions and try to twist words...'depends on what the definition of the word 'is' is...", right? Last edited by Bubba Wheels : 07-18-2007 at 12:48 PM. |
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um, no You said Edwards said he supports a merged Mexico/Canada/US and he didnt (or at least you havnt shown it) I havnt claimed anything other than that. Dont try to accuse me of stating anything other than that of which you lied about. I dont want anything other than you to substantiate the verbiage you used and threw out there like shit on a wall. Im willing to say I was wrong if you can show any proof that it is a part of his "official" platform and am not bringing up anything about Edward's stances other than your specific point about his platform and it's inclusion of a Mexico/US/Canada merger. I see and hear only things that have proof attached and am also willing to admit when Im proven wrong....thats not conservative or liberal its just Right. Until then you're not only a conservative but a LIAR....and a LIAR of any color BLUE or RED is BAD.
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I think it matters little what Edwards does or does not believe or says because the biggest globalist in the country IS FRIGGIN RUNNING THE COUNTRY!
Only the most myopic can look over the span of history and then say that the NAU isn't possible. At the beginning of the last century every country in Europe was killing each other by the millions and now they all use the same currency. It is both possible and probable that there will be a development of a NAU to "protect" the interests of the countries involved. I also agree that NAFTA and the current push for a guest-worker program as well as across-the-board relaxation of immigration laws pushes us all in the direction of globalization. But let's be clear, the person most responsible for pushing in that direction is the current President of the United States. |
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maybe but BW needs to not lie.
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i have no opinion on Newsmax, Im just putting the info. out there.
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If this is true, it may explain why you also seem to lack foresight. It appears you only want to deal with scientific facts, in a very unscientific world. |
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Now this statement is true. Bush is a huge globalist...no question about it, and so are many of the Presidential candidates coming from the left. |
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true I also dont lie unlike you in the other thread and BW here. and the most disdainful thing about it is even though youre shown that youre lying you still, amazingly, stand by the lie. Ill ask you, where in the article or anywhere in the world Edwards said what BW said he did? Would you agree that BW lied in this thread? You cant just run around attributing quotes to people that arent true.
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Forget the Edwards thing. He may have been wrong about it. My point is that you (like most liberals) wil sit there and hammer one point you think may play in your favor, and simply disregard the large scope of an argument because it doesn't fit your template for liberalism. Last edited by PSUColonel : 07-18-2007 at 09:58 PM. |
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I seriously don't think it was his intention to lie...admittedly, I don't know where he got his facts from, but I don't think it was his intention to out and out lie. (or at least I'd hope not) As for your allegations of me lying, I simply said PBS apparently had fired the producers of the documentary due to conservative bias. If you watched the FOX News report in between segments of the documentary, that is exactly what was suggested. How was I lying? I'm not saying what FOX reported is true or false, I simply turned on the program and from what I first gathered from the accounts of the producers, they had APPARENTLY been fired for this reason. I admit I should have used the word allegedly rather than apparently. Last edited by PSUColonel : 07-18-2007 at 10:10 PM. |
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1. If you read the thread again I think you'll find that you took the statement made by a "jilted" producer as fact over the statement of the jiltee. Neither should hold more weight, in the beginning, than the other and then when you see that PBS has a history of keeping things off the air, both left and right, than you should see who has the track record you may want to hang your hat on. Your apology or admittance at the end there is about the best we'll get. I'll accept that and move on re: your thread. 2. I HAVE to hammer the one point in this thread because if he is willing to be "wrong" or "lie" and not admit it or recant, than ALL other statements he says, no matter right or wrong, lose their validity. It's about integrity and in a debate if you are willing to lie about one thing how can people know youre not lying about anything else. whats funny, is I havnt once talked about whether or not the argument he makes is true or in the works, I simply wanted to point out that his statement that Edwards said it or that it was "officially" (a word he used first) a part of his platform was "wrong" or a "lie". Hammering that point doesnt help "my side" (I honestly dont have a side in this as I know little to nothing about the topic) because hammering for honesty helps all of our sides. 3. Once BW or yourself can admit to being wrong the breadth of debate will go much much further and your side of any argument will have much more weight or be looked at as more legit. BW or yourself (i dont remember which) stated that people on here wont change their minds about you or that youre not as you would seem....I would say, start by being willing to admit that youre wrong and youll be amazed tghe respect you'll garner. Me and JimGA get along just peachy and we disagree about almost everything and it is the same with other people's "relationships" on here....FOFC is like one big dysfunctional family (with EF having to take those late night phone calls to give out free advice)
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It's quite a common brand of "conservatism" nowadays. It calls for criticism without offering any solutions.
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Actually this is one part I do agree with. (eg. CAFTA) I think economic stability and a free market society in South America would go a long way in helping to solve the problem, but the problem is many of those nations don't always seem to want this. Many of them seem much happier just letting their citizens come here, and as a result, it seems many South American nation leaders are much more intent on weakening the U.S., rather than strengthening or bolstering their own countries. Some of these leaders are also clearly in bed with Iran and other fundamentalist Islamic states as well. Again I think many of these nations are more interested in weakening us, than bolstering themselves....not that I really think this approach will help them over the long run, but it appears to simply come from the anti-American sentiment sweeping the globe, and I think in many cases it's a case of many just wanting to take down what they see as the "bully on the block". I'll argue we aren't of course, but the "have nots" will always see it that way, because that's what the "haves" in those nations want. |
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Actually, when I talked about Edwards, I was referring to the socialism thing as opposed to the merger thing. Feel better now? But to take it a step further, anyone supporting illegal immigration by not supporting border enforcement shows by actions rather than words support for the NAU merger far as me and many others are concerned. Edwards and most if not all of the Dem candidates fall into this category, so the point you endlessly keep trying to make seems moot anyways. Last edited by Bubba Wheels : 07-19-2007 at 08:20 PM. |
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So, based upon your last statement, you abhor Bill Clinton and have no intention of ever voting for Hillary, right? At least that would make you consistant. |
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much like I will forgive you for lying when you apologize or correct (if you call the previous post a correction it was quite weak compared to PSU's which was much better but at least you made an attempt), I forgave Bill... I will vote for who I think will do the best job for our country... the only point I kept on about was your statement that you could quote him on the NAU thing OR that it was "officially" a part of his platform. I have not touched upon the subject of the merger/immigration thing itself or socialism for that matter. yes, lying is bad PERIOD....I'd love to hear your argument that it is not.
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Can't we all just get along?
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