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Old 01-24-2007, 01:47 PM   #51
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It doesn't matter whether it's been done before, or by whom.

To me, it doesn't take an expert to know that is a right cannot be revoked that the right exists.

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Suddenly pornagraphy is free speech but actual free speech within 60 days of an election is not? Whose delusional?

Pornography ABSOLUTELY falls within free speech rights. To me, it's one of the things that define the very term -- the type of "speech" that is looked down upon by society should be the very thing that is protected the most.

How does campaign reform impose upon free speech?

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Old 01-24-2007, 02:01 PM   #52
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I know there are some American history buffs here, was habeas corpus an issue of particular significance to the founding fathers? I am under the impression that it was, and that certain British abuses were the reason for that particular wording in the Constitution.
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Old 01-24-2007, 02:15 PM   #53
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7) Bubba Wheels has roleplay sex with polar bear
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Old 01-24-2007, 02:19 PM   #54
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If the Constitution has a prohibition against taking away a right, doesn't that imply that the right exists? There would be no need to prevent taking away a non-existent right.
It's as if you hold that right to be self-evident.
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How does campaign reform impose upon free speech?
Not to jump in on Bubba Wheels side or steer the thread in the direction of a real debate, but there is a pretty strong argument that money is speech, and some specific prohibitions in McCain-Feingold I believe against certain people/groups spending money on advertisements within 60 days of an election that I considered unconstitutional when I went over the regulations and kind of knew what I was talking about. (That was probably around the time the SC ruled on at least part of it, and I don't even remember what exactly they ruled to be honest, except that they declined to throw out the entire bill by split decision.)
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Old 01-24-2007, 02:45 PM   #55
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In other news... Right to life groups around the country are closing their doors after discovering that the Bible does not guarantee a right to life, only a prohibition of taking it away.
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Old 01-24-2007, 02:48 PM   #56
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7) Bubba Wheels has roleplay sex with polar bear

So what's his role?
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Old 01-24-2007, 03:33 PM   #57
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FYI, Bubba Wheels has been suspended for his trolling in this thread.
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Old 01-24-2007, 03:39 PM   #58
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FYI, Bubba Wheels has been suspended for his trolling in this thread.

And not for his roleplay sex with the polar bear?
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Old 01-24-2007, 03:40 PM   #59
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In other news... Right to life groups around the country are closing their doors after discovering that the Bible does not guarantee a right to life, only a prohibition of taking it away.

Who would have thought this thread would have so many good one-liners? Well done.
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Old 01-24-2007, 03:42 PM   #60
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Old 01-24-2007, 03:52 PM   #61
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Not to jump in on Bubba Wheels side or steer the thread in the direction of a real debate, but there is a pretty strong argument that money is speech, and some specific prohibitions in McCain-Feingold I believe against certain people/groups spending money on advertisements within 60 days of an election that I considered unconstitutional when I went over the regulations and kind of knew what I was talking about. (That was probably around the time the SC ruled on at least part of it, and I don't even remember what exactly they ruled to be honest, except that they declined to throw out the entire bill by split decision.)

I'd be more than interested to read up on this. Did this pass? What groups are prohibited from spending money within 60 days?

I'll have to do some research on this. I hadn't considered the idea of spending money for ads to be free speech before.
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Old 01-24-2007, 03:53 PM   #62
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Wow. I saw this thread. Saw that Bubba was posting in it. Made the express decision to stay out of the thread. But reminded myself to check in at the end of the day to see if he had gotten boxed yet or not.

Rarely do I call them so completely.

(Though I admit that calling a Bubba boxing here is a bit like calling that Aaron Brooks won't be a first ballot hall of famer.)
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Old 01-24-2007, 03:57 PM   #63
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Didn't Bubba promise to go away a while back?
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Old 01-24-2007, 04:09 PM   #64
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I'd be more than interested to read up on this. Did this pass? What groups are prohibited from spending money within 60 days?

I'll have to do some research on this. I hadn't considered the idea of spending money for ads to be free speech before.
Some decent backround is at - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mccain-feingold
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http://www.oyez.org/cases/case/?case...3/2003_02_1674
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In response to challenges that the law was too broad and unnecessarily regulated conduct that had not been shown to cause corruption (such as advertisements paid for by corporations or unions), the Court found that such regulation was necessary to prevent the groups from circumventing the law. Justices O'Connor and Stevens wrote that "money, like water, will always find an outlet" and that the government was therefore justified in taking steps to prevent schemes developed to get around the contribution limits.
From a practical standpoint, this was my main objection. If money is always going to find an outlet, then the government shouldn't impose restrictions that just funnel it more discreetly or through loopholes - like the 527 groups.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:09 PM   #65
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I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I don't think Bubba deserved a boxing for this. He's been generally civil and hasn't gone off the deep end as is typical for him. I'm sure this is some sort of life-time achievement and I won't shed any tears for Bubba, but this just illustrates how random and capricious the rules are around here.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:27 PM   #66
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but this just illustrates how random and capricious the rules are around here.

I don't think you understand what those words mean. The crazy guy's selection of Navin Johnson as his shooting target in "The Jerk" is an example of random and capricious.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:30 PM   #67
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FYI, Bubba Wheels has been suspended for his trolling in this thread.

This just simply doesn't make any sense. There was NOTHING he was saying that was in any way harmful. There wasn't any sort of attack, just his opinion. Are you saying that his position was so out of whack with what most of us consider reality, that it could only be interpreted as trolling?

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I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I don't think Bubba deserved a boxing for this. He's been generally civil and hasn't gone off the deep end as is typical for him. I'm sure this is some sort of life-time achievement and I won't shed any tears for Bubba, but this just illustrates how random and capricious the rules are around here.

We maybe in the minority on this, but random and capricious both seem to fit this instance.

What the hell?
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:35 PM   #68
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I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I don't think Bubba deserved a boxing for this. He's been generally civil and hasn't gone off the deep end as is typical for him. I'm sure this is some sort of life-time achievement and I won't shed any tears for Bubba, but this just illustrates how random and capricious the rules are around here.
Good point. As little as I care about Bubba and as happy as I am to not see his posts for a week, I'm not really sure what this boxing tells the rest of the community in terms of what's allowed and what isn't.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:43 PM   #69
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To play devil's advocate, Bubba came into the thread with his usual insane ranting, kept doing is his dodging tactic that he likes to do, and then posts: " Its really too funny. You cannot pay for this kind of entertainment." Claiming that the replies to your posts are providing entertainment could be seen as an admission of trolling.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:44 PM   #70
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Complaining that Bubba being boxed is capricious is like complaining that Saddam's trial wasn't fair.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:52 PM   #71
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To play devil's advocate, Bubba came into the thread with his usual insane ranting, kept doing is his dodging tactic that he likes to do, and then posts: " Its really too funny. You cannot pay for this kind of entertainment." Claiming that the replies to your posts are providing entertainment could be seen as an admission of trolling.

Exactly. A couple of months ago he said he was leaving the board, then he comes back and pulls this crap. If he had made some attempt to justify his posts, it would be different. But he was stirring up trouble just for the sake of doing it. Not a good way to reintroduce yourself to the board, considering he's been boxed for similar postings in the past.
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Old 01-24-2007, 08:40 PM   #72
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Complaining that Bubba being boxed is capricious is like complaining that Saddam's trial wasn't fair.

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Exactly. A couple of months ago he said he was leaving the board, then he comes back and pulls this crap. If he had made some attempt to justify his posts, it would be different. But he was stirring up trouble just for the sake of doing it. Not a good way to reintroduce yourself to the board, considering he's been boxed for similar postings in the past.

So this was some sort of lifetime acheivement suspension?

I don't believe he crossed any line that he hadn't crossed hundreds of times before. If the deal is that Bubba's threshold for a suspension has been lowered, then I think it would only be fair to disclose such things.
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Old 01-24-2007, 09:03 PM   #73
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First capsicum, now Bubba Wheels. Which one of you nutjob reactionary nazi's is next?
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Old 01-24-2007, 09:19 PM   #74
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There is no expressed grant of habeas in the Constitution; there’s a prohibition against taking it away,” Gonzales said.

Gonzales’s remark left Specter, the committee’s ranking Republican, stammering.

“Wait a minute,” Specter interjected. “The Constitution says you can’t take it away except in case of rebellion or invasion. Doesn’t that mean you have the right of habeas corpus unless there’s a rebellion or invasion?”

Gonzales continued, “The Constitution doesn’t say every individual in the United States or citizen is hereby granted or assured the right of habeas corpus. It doesn’t say that. It simply says the right shall not be suspended” except in cases of rebellion or invasion.”

“You may be treading on your interdiction of violating common sense,” Specter said.

To get slightly back on topic (I know, I know, I'm sorry)- this is the type of thing I'd pay to see on some sort of CSPAN pay-per-view

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Old 01-24-2007, 09:46 PM   #75
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Old 01-24-2007, 11:06 PM   #76
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I guess I think that Bubba was being sincere. Misguided, foolish, ignorant, but sincere. I don't think he was trolling, he's just spouting what he's heard from Pat Buchanan.

I understood what PSU did. I understood what IMTG and jb did. I really don't get what Bubba did. If his crime is "being Bubba" then you should go ahead and ban him and get it over with.

I should add that I really don't care that the rules are arbitrary, but let's call them what they are.
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Old 01-25-2007, 02:58 PM   #77
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To get slightly back on topic (I know, I know, I'm sorry)- this is the type of thing I'd pay to see on some sort of CSPAN pay-per-view

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