11-09-2006, 07:08 AM | #101 |
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The Dem's big night on Tuesday certainly pushed up Obama's timeline. I figured if there was any chance the Republicans could win in 2008, they'd save him for 2012/16 and throw someone else up there for 08. But now, I'm sure they are confident they have a real shot, so why not go with (at this point) the candidate with the most positive upside.
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11-09-2006, 07:56 AM | #102 |
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Obama is too much of an X factor at this point. As long as the Clinton's people continue to hold key positions in the Democratic party it will be Hillary. Don't think she'll win, but she'll be the candidate.
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11-09-2006, 08:00 AM | #103 |
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dola -- just read where Harry Reid said that before the Dems confirmed Gates for the new Sec Defense, he'd have to answer questions about Iran-Contra...this is starting out better than I could have ever hoped for...
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11-09-2006, 08:21 AM | #104 | |
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11-09-2006, 09:02 AM | #105 | |
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Gates probably won't have to go through the new Senate, I'd imagine. But Bush will have to realize with his appointments that the Congress is no longer just a rubber stamp for whoever he wants. I agree that it's starting out better than I could ever have hoped. Actual tough questions being asked.... imagine!
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11-09-2006, 09:13 AM | #106 | |
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Ding ding ding. See Lincoln Chaffee. |
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11-09-2006, 09:23 AM | #107 | |
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However, to be fair, as good a campaign Lamont ran in the primary, Lieberman ran in the general election and deserved the win. |
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11-09-2006, 09:57 AM | #108 | |
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I'd love for the Democrats to dredge up Iran-Contra...please, Harry, do it! |
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11-09-2006, 10:13 AM | #109 |
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They'll just ask him some questions. In the end Gates will get confirmed easily. Its not going to be a political event for either side.
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11-09-2006, 10:35 AM | #110 |
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My only question is will the Dems try to play nice with Bush for the last two years of his presidency or will they yield to pressure from their fringe kooks and try to impeach him?
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11-09-2006, 10:41 AM | #111 |
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I don't think they'll go for impeachment (unless something drastic comes up), but I also don't think they'll be buddy buddy. They'll fight him on most things, but try to work with him on others (immigration, for one).
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11-09-2006, 11:12 AM | #112 | |
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That's gonna be difficult to do, since almost all of the main players are either dead or have received immunity, in addition to the fact that the documents related to the case have been sealed until (I believe) 2025.
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11-09-2006, 11:16 AM | #113 |
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Pelosi has already completely rejected that idea. The country voted for the center, not the fringes - and it seems like she and the rest of the congressional dems are operating from that point.
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11-09-2006, 11:33 AM | #114 |
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Beat us, gave it to you, it doesn't make it less painful... :o
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11-09-2006, 12:18 PM | #115 |
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How can they impeach a guy for starting a war they supported, based on the same intelligence they were seeing, as well as Russia, England, and every other credible intelligence service in the world that said Saddam had WMD's? I know John Conyers has already drafted this proposal up, but no way it happens. And what if it does? Do the Dems really want to replace Bush with Cheney? It's just nonsense talk.
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True, now, if they want to impeach the world's intelligence communities, I'm all for it. |
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11-09-2006, 02:49 PM | #117 | |
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I will gain a great deal of respect for Pelosi (or at least her management abilities) if she is able to rein in her party's most rabid members and actually focuses on at least trying to bridge the gap on a number of issues for the good of the country. Somehow, I don't see it happening (even if she honestly wants it to), but we'll see.
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11-09-2006, 02:49 PM | #118 | |
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While I agree there's no forthcoming impeachment, you really should check out Mike Isikoff's Hubris (or any number of similar books) which makes a fairly in-depth study of what was and was not believed by intelligence agencies in the US and elsewhere at that time. The line you're selling above may be true in some vague sense (most believed there were some residual (pre-Gulf War) WMD's), it really isn't accurate with respect to the US justification for war. The reconstituted WMD programs, nuclear weapons, mobile weapons labs, the Al-Qaeda nexus, etc. were all heavily disputed just within the US intelligence agencies. Those disputes, those doubts, caveats, and qualifications never came out into public, as a consequence of highly focused campaign of propaganda and information control. Now thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis are dead and we're stuck in a war that we can't win and would never have entered had the full truth come out. I don't think there should be an impeachment proceeding, but neither should you wave this off as business as usual. This is a mistake we need to learn from. |
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11-09-2006, 02:51 PM | #119 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if they start putting out feelers for reaction to an impeachment of Cheney. It would be politically far easier for them to go after him, and if successful, would further isolate Bush, making it easier for them to get their initiatives pushed through. The biggest obstacle right now to an impeachment of Bush is Cheney, and if they remove that, then Bush is pretty much hamstrung at that point. But that's just the Machiavellian side of me talking.
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11-09-2006, 03:03 PM | #120 |
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11-09-2006, 03:03 PM | #121 |
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They would really have to figure out a way to make the liberties Bush has taken with the Executive Powers relevant again, and not just relevant, but evil sounding to the general public. I doubt it's a fight they're willing to take on at this point, unless something comes out in the inevitable endless hearings about Iraq and intelligence that will be coming.
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