Can I get a FOFC review of FLYBOYS please?

HomerSimpson · 09-21-2006, 12:55 AM

LOL. Have you been over to rottentomatos for this movie? Most people here brag about this site, but after reading the reviews over there I think I will stay away from Rotten.

Curently the Tomato reading is at 23%. Splat.

Splat.

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Despite impressive CG effects, this is an old-fashioned war-adventure about the first American pilot squadron in WWI, with something for everyone: thrilling combat for the boys, schmaltzy romance for the girls, shallow psychology and sociology of war.

And the History lesson begins.

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This is a lost opportunity on an epic scale. The actors are so styled and the dogfights so drippy with CG that, as a period piece, the movie almost looks like it's set in the future.

"Future". I guess the reviewer would of preferred this movie to be in Black and White.

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The cliche-ridden histrionics were already old-fashioned...fifty years ago. Now they seem positively moldy, and all the CGI dexterity in the world can't enliven them.

I guess this person hates war stories in general, but admits this movies has excellent graphics.

Basically a lot of bad reviews of how this movie does not go into the real life details about WW1 in general, but just tries to have a fun time with its characters. I am not looking for War and Piece here. Something along the lines of Kelly's Heros or The Dirty Dozen would be awesome. Can't I just have a good time at the movies anymore without a history lesson?

I have read that it is Star Wars set in the WW1 era. That would be cool.

Groundhog · 09-21-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

LOL. Have you been over to rottentomatos for this movie? Most people here brag about this site, but after reading the reviews over there I think I will stay away from Rotten.

Well, to be fair, Rottentomatoes just collates individual reviewers reviews. They aren't Rottentomatoes own reviewers.

I use Rottentomatoes as a basic guideline. If a move scores below 20% I know it's going to be terrible, if it scores below 40% I know it's going to be below average, and if it's over 60% then I know it's going to be a decent watch. That's about all I try and get out of it.

It's still much more useful than reading individual reviews, unless you happen to find a particular critic who's tastes match your own.

dervack · 09-21-2006, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

LOL. Have you been over to rottentomatos for this movie? Most people here brag about this site, but after reading the reviews over there I think I will stay away from Rotten.

Curently the Tomato reading is at 23%. Splat.

Splat.
And the History lesson begins.

"Future". I guess the reviewer would of preferred this movie to be in Black and White.

I guess this person hates war stories in general, but admits this movies has excellent graphics.

Basically a lot of bad reviews of how this movie does not go into the real life details about WW1 in general, but just tries to have a fun time with its characters. I am not looking for War and Piece here. Something along the lines of Kelly's Heros or The Dirty Dozen would be awesome. Can't I just have a good time at the movies anymore without a history lesson?

I have read that it is Star Wars set in the WW1 era. That would be cool.

I was going to see it tonight, but was too tired, and really too depressed lately to watch anything. Maybe I'll check it out this weekend. And yeah, I've heard it's Star Wars meets WW I also.

stevew · 09-21-2006, 02:21 AM

It's a bit disingenuous to blast rottentomatoes in the first place for reviews that they don't even make themselves, and then especially when there are a whopping 13(!) reviews in for this thing yet. You have to wait till closer till opening, usually friday morning, to get a more accurate picture of the consensus of the reviews.

HomerSimpson · 09-21-2006, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

It's a bit disingenuous to blast rottentomatoes in the first place for reviews that they don't even make themselves,

stevew, do you know who assigns the SPLAT?

Looking at this review I do not know why it was given a splat?

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Despite impressive CG effects, this is an old-fashioned war-adventure about the first American pilot squadron in WWI, with something for everyone: thrilling combat for the boys, schmaltzy romance for the girls, shallow psychology and sociology of war.

The author gives the movie a grade of Grade C+. Why is a C+, or 79% considered rotten?

stevew · 09-21-2006, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

stevew, do you know who assigns the SPLAT?

Looking at this review I do not know why it was given a splat?

The author gives the movie a grade of Grade C+. Why is a C+, or 79% considered rotten?

Did you buy your Elmo yesterday?

HomerSimpson · 09-21-2006, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Did you buy your Elmo yesterday?

What?

Do you know who assigns the Splat at rottentomato?

stevew · 09-21-2006, 04:38 AM

What is your methodology for defining whether a review that does not include a star rating or other objective grading scale counts as a Fresh or Rotten rating on the tomatometer?
Most critics from the Online Film Critics Society (OFCS) enter their own quotes and ratings. For critics who don't enter in their own quotes and ratings, it's basically up to the judgment of the editors. They take into account word choice, rating (if any), tone, and who's the critic in their determination of whether a review is positive or not. If an editor is not certain about a review, it is sent to another editor for a second opinion. "Wishy-washy" reviews, reviews that are really difficult to determine if the critic recommends the film or not, are usually given a Rotten because if the critic is not confident enough to give the movie even an implied recommendation, then we shouldn't either.

On the Blade 2 reviews page, you have a negative review from James Berardinelli (2.5/4 stars), and a positive review from Eric Lurio (2.5/5). Why is Berardinelli's review labeled Rotten and Lurio's review labeled Fresh?
You're seeing this discrepancy because star systems are not consistent between critics. For critics like Roger Ebert and James Berardinelli, 2.5 stars or lower out of 4 stars is always negative. For other critics, 2.5 stars can either be positive or negative. Even though Eric Lurio uses a 5 star system, his grading is very relaxed. So, 2 stars can be positive. Also, there's always the possibility of the webmaster or critic putting the wrong rating on a review.

stevew · 09-21-2006, 04:40 AM

Imagine 2 people talking....

"You want to go to the movies."
"Yeah, this new action flick got a C+ from the reviewer!"

Hardly sounds like a ringing endorsement.

sachmo71 · 09-21-2006, 09:26 AM

I thought the previews would be enough to show that this movie would indeed be a steaming pile of crap.

WSUCougar · 09-21-2006, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

I am not looking for War and Piece here

Unless you're referring to a porn version, I believe you meant War and Peace.

BrianD · 09-21-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

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This is a lost opportunity on an epic scale. The actors are so styled and the dogfights so drippy with CG that, as a period piece, the movie almost looks like it's set in the future.

"Future". I guess the reviewer would of preferred this movie to be in Black and White.

Actually, I had the same thought as the reviewer did when I saw the previews. The movie wouldn't have to be in black and white to look authentic, but the CGI in the previews just looked too clean and polished. They also seemed to show one plane flying through a zeppelin undamaged. If the movie is about early WWI pilots, the movie should have a WWI feel.

sachmo71 · 09-21-2006, 11:26 AM

If a movie is going to attempt to be historical, and it doesn't succeed, it's a failure. See Pearl Harbor for reference.

biological warrior · 09-21-2006, 11:59 AM

Can anyone tell me if this is a date movie? As for me as long as its entertaining I'll watch it.

Raiders Army · 09-21-2006, 12:00 PM

This movie has a sign that says "Stay Away...far away" on its back.

Raiders Army · 09-21-2006, 12:02 PM

Or a sign that says "I just farted"

Mustang · 09-21-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by biological warrior

Can anyone tell me if this is a date movie?

I don't think the list of women that like WWI dogfighting movies is very long.. so.. probably not.

Could always ask though.

So, do you like movies about WWI dogfighting?

dervack · 09-21-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by biological warrior

Can anyone tell me if this is a date movie? As for me as long as its entertaining I'll watch it.

You want a date movie, check out Last Kiss. It has the kind of story women seek, and nudity (most) men seek.

rkmsuf · 09-21-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by biological warrior

Can anyone tell me if this is a date movie? As for me as long as its entertaining I'll watch it.

Jackass 2 is what you want. Trust me.

stevew · 09-22-2006, 11:04 AM

Near the start of Flyboys, the squadron's grizzled vet hands suicide pistols to the new pilots, to be used if they find themselves in a no-win situation.
Unfortunately, the audience is offered no such option

-Bill Muller, Arizona Republic

rkmsuf · 09-22-2006, 11:06 AM

Flyboys - what a terrible name for a movie unless you like men or like to be manhandled.

WSUCougar · 09-22-2006, 11:17 AM

"Into the garbage chute, flyboys!"
~ Princess Leia

rkmsuf · 09-25-2006, 11:24 AM

1st Weekend

Jackass 2 - 28 million
Flyboys - 6 million

sachmo71 · 09-25-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

1st Weekend

Jackass 2 - 28 million
Flyboys - 6 million

Though we profess to hate them, the American sense of humor continues to imitate that of the French. Buy stock in Jerry Lewis before he explodes.

09-22-2006, 11:04 AM	#20
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Near the start of Flyboys, the squadron's grizzled vet hands suicide pistols to the new pilots, to be used if they find themselves in a no-win situation. Unfortunately, the audience is offered no such option -Bill Muller, Arizona Republic Last edited by stevew : 09-22-2006 at 11:04 AM.

09-22-2006, 11:06 AM	#21
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Flyboys - what a terrible name for a movie unless you like men or like to be manhandled. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

09-22-2006, 11:17 AM	#22
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	"Into the garbage chute, flyboys!" ~ Princess Leia __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

09-25-2006, 11:24 AM	#23
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	1st Weekend Jackass 2 - 28 million Flyboys - 6 million __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales Last edited by rkmsuf : 09-25-2006 at 11:24 AM.

09-21-2006, 02:21 AM	#4
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	It's a bit disingenuous to blast rottentomatoes in the first place for reviews that they don't even make themselves, and then especially when there are a whopping 13(!) reviews in for this thing yet. You have to wait till closer till opening, usually friday morning, to get a more accurate picture of the consensus of the reviews.

09-21-2006, 04:38 AM	#8
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	What is your methodology for defining whether a review that does not include a star rating or other objective grading scale counts as a Fresh or Rotten rating on the tomatometer? Most critics from the Online Film Critics Society (OFCS) enter their own quotes and ratings. For critics who don't enter in their own quotes and ratings, it's basically up to the judgment of the editors. They take into account word choice, rating (if any), tone, and who's the critic in their determination of whether a review is positive or not. If an editor is not certain about a review, it is sent to another editor for a second opinion. "Wishy-washy" reviews, reviews that are really difficult to determine if the critic recommends the film or not, are usually given a Rotten because if the critic is not confident enough to give the movie even an implied recommendation, then we shouldn't either. On the Blade 2 reviews page, you have a negative review from James Berardinelli (2.5/4 stars), and a positive review from Eric Lurio (2.5/5). Why is Berardinelli's review labeled Rotten and Lurio's review labeled Fresh? You're seeing this discrepancy because star systems are not consistent between critics. For critics like Roger Ebert and James Berardinelli, 2.5 stars or lower out of 4 stars is always negative. For other critics, 2.5 stars can either be positive or negative. Even though Eric Lurio uses a 5 star system, his grading is very relaxed. So, 2 stars can be positive. Also, there's always the possibility of the webmaster or critic putting the wrong rating on a review.

09-21-2006, 04:40 AM	#9
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Imagine 2 people talking.... "You want to go to the movies." "Yeah, this new action flick got a C+ from the reviewer!" Hardly sounds like a ringing endorsement.

09-21-2006, 09:26 AM	#10
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	I thought the previews would be enough to show that this movie would indeed be a steaming pile of crap.

09-21-2006, 11:26 AM	#13
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	If a movie is going to attempt to be historical, and it doesn't succeed, it's a failure. See Pearl Harbor for reference.

09-21-2006, 11:59 AM	#14
biological warrior High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2005	Can anyone tell me if this is a date movie? As for me as long as its entertaining I'll watch it.

09-21-2006, 12:00 PM	#15
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	This movie has a sign that says "Stay Away...far away" on its back.

09-21-2006, 12:02 PM	#16
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Or a sign that says "I just farted"

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