FM Question about Ukraine High League

Abe Sargent · 06-16-2006, 12:23 AM

I decided to go outside my normal experience and try a team in teh Ukraine High League. I just finished my first match and was looking over the nationalities of my team. The league rules, listed in FM, state that I cannot have more than 12 foreign players in the match squad. I wanted to see if I could build a squad of 11 African starters that could be competetive in European Cup play, so I was pursuing the nationalities to see how many foreigners I had and I noticed something very odd:

I have two players from Belarus and four from Russia. None had the foreigner tag. I checked their page to see if they had Ukraine cit as well and they do not.

Belarus and Russia are old USSR states. Can I get all USSR state players without counting agaisnt the "foreign" cap? Is this a bug? Why do the league rules say "foreigners" when not all foreign nationals count? What are the specifric Ukraine rules in the game?

-Anxiety

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 12:36 AM

I'd recommend doing a search over at the SI boards. I'm pretty sure I had some of the same questions you did and found the answer over there. Just use the keywords 'Ukraine' and 'foreigners'.

Abe Sargent · 06-16-2006, 12:36 AM

BTW, in case you are wondering why I don't ask this question over in teh SI forums:

1). It was asked there three months ago. There was never an official answer nor did the posters ever come to a conclusion or an exhaustive list.

2). Apparently, Bulgaria is another nation whose players do not count as foreign to Ukraine. Apparently there are some ex-Soviet states which do, so that can't be the rule.

3). The SI posters are, to be honest, much less helpful than you guys. In one page, several asked "who cares?" Seven or eight told the poster he was wrong and that foreign must mean foriegn to Ukraine not with some countries getting a free pass (they made these claims wihtout ever doing any research of their own) Another told the original poster to check other ex-USSR states like Czech, Romania and Serbia! In other words, you guys are a class above them.

So, for those reasons, I post here, in case any know.

-Anxiety

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 12:38 AM

Abe Sargent · 06-16-2006, 12:43 AM

It was like I was predicting your question before you asked it!

-Anxiety

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 12:49 AM

Yeah, I found one thread and it's pretty much useless. I'm thinking that I was temporarily interested in Russia and found what their limits were, not the Ukraine League's.

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 12:58 AM

Well, I'm gonna start a Ukrainian league and do some investigating.

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 01:02 AM

Um, are you playing FM '05?

Abe Sargent · 06-16-2006, 01:14 AM

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 01:16 AM

wtf? I just started a league and saw nothing that gave me the impression that there was a foreigner limit.

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 01:18 AM

Okay, do you have the latest patch? If yes, did you download the one with the data update?

Abe Sargent · 06-16-2006, 01:18 AM

Just take a look at the rules of the High League, its there under match rules. Take a look at my team, as an example. I'm Metalurg Zp. I have Belarus and Russians that do not have the forgeign tag beside them. Other teams are similar.

-Anxiety

-Anxiety

Abe Sargent · 06-16-2006, 01:19 AM

I d/ld the bigger version, so I beleive so, and yes, I'm fully patched.

-Anxiety

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 01:31 AM

What am I missing here?

Abe Sargent · 06-16-2006, 01:35 AM

Hmm. That's odd, because mine says:

Match Rules:

The match squad must have no more than 12 foreign players.

I don;t know how to post a pic, though.

-Anxiety

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 01:37 AM

That's why I'm thinking we might have different databases. Shit, maybe I don't have the updated data.

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 01:42 AM

If you're curious like I am, you should check your data/db folder and see if there are any files marked with February dates.

Abe Sargent · 06-16-2006, 01:49 AM

Nope, none of em have Feb dats.

-Anxiety

sovereignstar · 06-16-2006, 01:52 AM

The only thing I can think of then is that you don't have the latest data and SI decided to get rid of the Ukraine foreigner limits. Maybe if Marc sees this, he'll chime in.

Flasch186 · 06-16-2006, 06:21 AM

he said el douchebag

06-16-2006, 12:36 AM	#3
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	BTW, in case you are wondering why I don't ask this question over in teh SI forums: 1). It was asked there three months ago. There was never an official answer nor did the posters ever come to a conclusion or an exhaustive list. 2). Apparently, Bulgaria is another nation whose players do not count as foreign to Ukraine. Apparently there are some ex-Soviet states which do, so that can't be the rule. 3). The SI posters are, to be honest, much less helpful than you guys. In one page, several asked "who cares?" Seven or eight told the poster he was wrong and that foreign must mean foriegn to Ukraine not with some countries getting a free pass (they made these claims wihtout ever doing any research of their own) Another told the original poster to check other ex-USSR states like Czech, Romania and Serbia! In other words, you guys are a class above them. So, for those reasons, I post here, in case any know. -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-16-2006, 12:38 AM	#4
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	lol

06-16-2006, 12:43 AM	#5
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	It was like I was predicting your question before you asked it! -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-16-2006, 01:14 AM	#9
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	06 __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-16-2006, 01:18 AM	#12
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Just take a look at the rules of the High League, its there under match rules. Take a look at my team, as an example. I'm Metalurg Zp. I have Belarus and Russians that do not have the forgeign tag beside them. Other teams are similar. -Anxiety -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-16-2006, 12:49 AM	#6
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Yeah, I found one thread and it's pretty much useless. I'm thinking that I was temporarily interested in Russia and found what their limits were, not the Ukraine League's.

06-16-2006, 12:58 AM	#7
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Well, I'm gonna start a Ukrainian league and do some investigating.

06-16-2006, 01:02 AM	#8
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Um, are you playing FM '05?

06-16-2006, 01:16 AM	#10
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	wtf? I just started a league and saw nothing that gave me the impression that there was a foreigner limit.

06-16-2006, 01:19 AM	#13
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I d/ld the bigger version, so I beleive so, and yes, I'm fully patched. -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-16-2006, 01:31 AM	#14
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	What am I missing here?

06-16-2006, 01:35 AM	#15
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Hmm. That's odd, because mine says: Match Rules: The match squad must have no more than 12 foreign players. I don;t know how to post a pic, though. -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-16-2006, 01:37 AM	#16
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	That's why I'm thinking we might have different databases. Shit, maybe I don't have the updated data.

06-16-2006, 01:42 AM	#17
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	If you're curious like I am, you should check your data/db folder and see if there are any files marked with February dates. Last edited by sovereignstar : 06-16-2006 at 01:42 AM.

06-16-2006, 01:49 AM	#18
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Nope, none of em have Feb dats. -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-16-2006, 01:52 AM	#19
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	The only thing I can think of then is that you don't have the latest data and SI decided to get rid of the Ukraine foreigner limits. Maybe if Marc sees this, he'll chime in.

06-16-2006, 06:21 AM	#20
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	he said el douchebag __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL Last edited by Flasch186 : 06-16-2006 at 06:21 AM.

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