2024 NFL Season Thread

[RainMaker]

The problem with the Bears is they will get a young QB and put him behind a complete dogshit offensive line and an abysmal coaching staff and act surprised when they bust. They will never learn their lesson and will never take offensive line play seriously.

[RainMaker]

Hester with these new kickoff rules would have been so much fun to watch.

[CrimsonFox]

mims was a terrible pick for the bengals. Just a huge sack of shit with bad knees

[CrimsonFox]

Who the fuck is Sam Darnold?

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

mims was a terrible pick for the bengals. Just a huge sack of shit with bad knees

No.

And his injury is to his pectoral.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Let me just clear up one little thing.

There's rules about concussions in place, agreed to by both the league and the players. The oft-mentioned "protocol".

I'm not saying Tua gets to override the rules. I'm saying that if he passes whatever series of tests (etc, et al) those rules call for then he deserves the right to be treated like everybody else.

If they want a different set of rules for some sub-group of players, okey dokey, write those up and everybody sign off.

But in the absence of that, have the decency to treat him like an adult.

While I agree with this in general, it does seem a bit, well, "odd", isn't the word, maybe "weird" that we're then going to ask a young man who has suffered a series of traumatic brain injuries to make a very difficult and complex decision about his future.

Yes, Tua deserves agency, but at what point should someone potentially save Tua from himself? That's an open question - I'm not sure of the answer.

[weegeebored]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The problem with the Bears is they will get a young QB and put him behind a complete dogshit offensive line and an abysmal coaching staff and act surprised when they bust. They will never learn their lesson and will never take offensive line play seriously.

They can never fix the obvious problems because..well..because they're the Bears. Current issues in order are: o-line, Poles, Waldron, Eberflus, d-line.

[stevew]

“Dolphins sign former pro bowl QB”

I’ll give you all 50 guesses to figure out the answer

[Kodos]

Boomer Esiason!

[Kodos]

Yeah, nobody will get this one.

[Swaggs]

I didn't realize that he no longer played for his previous team (tying to avoid the spoiler) and am surprised he hadn't already been on a team.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by stevew

“Dolphins sign former pro bowl QB”

I’ll give you all 50 guesses to figure out the answer

did they trade for Russell Wilson?

Dolphins Country. Let's Swim

[albionmoonlight]

I might use "Former Pro Bowl" in this context as an example of technical truth vs. implications.

[albionmoonlight]

dola: The chaos monkey in me really did want Brady, but I guess that's off the table.

[stevew]

Bryce Young benched.

[Lathum]

For Andy dalton. Jeez.

[GrantDawg]

Carolina’s 2025 second-round pick still is going to Chicago as the final piece of the Bryce Young trade, which went like this:

Bears received:
�� WR DJ Moore
�� 2023 first-round pick (OT Darnell Wright)
�� 2023 second-round pick (CB Tyrique Stevenson)
�� 2024 first-round pick…

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 16, 2024

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by weegeebored

They can never fix the obvious problems because..well..because they're the Bears. Current issues in order are: o-line, Poles, Waldron, Eberflus, d-line.

Put McCaskeys at the top of the list.

[GrantDawg]

I hate when the Falcons play in prime time. Not just because they aren't very good at it, but I hate staying up late. The good news I guess is they may be out of it by half-time and I can turn it off.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by stevew

Bryce Young benched.

The Young/Stroud choice reminds me a lot of Manning/Leaf. Only Carolina made the wrong choice.

Young seems like a far better team guy than Leaf - a big part of Leaf's failure was simply being locker room cancer. But both have that great talent and simply looked clueless when it came to football decisions on the field.

To put Young's season, so far, into perspective, he has dropped back 62 times and the Panthers have gained 204 yards on those plays (3.3 YPAS). The NFL average is 5.9. Last year, Young averaged 4.1 YPAS, which would get just about any quarterback benched long before they got a full season in.

Dalton has had a fine career, just not an elite one. He'll be 37 next month, and had been showing signs of age. No question that Carolina can't build behind him. But throwing Young out there right now isn't going to work. He has to learn how to play the position at the NFL level.

The Sam Darnold appreciation threads in Minnesota have me wondering if it's possible that there are teams that cannot put their quarterbacks in a position to succeed. Certainly, you look at the Jets and wonder. Maybe Young really is good and Carolina's coaching staff, despite all that turnover recently, is continuously bad. Maybe Justin Fields is having a renaissance. Until this season, the numbers were not suggesting this as a possibility, but quarterback play has changed considerably in recent years.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The Sam Darnold appreciation threads in Minnesota have me wondering if it's possible that there are teams that cannot put their quarterbacks in a position to succeed. Certainly, you look at the Jets and wonder. Maybe Young really is good and Carolina's coaching staff, despite all that turnover recently, is continuously bad. Maybe Justin Fields is having a renaissance. Until this season, the numbers were not suggesting this as a possibility, but quarterback play has changed considerably in recent years.

I think this is an interesting thread to pull on. I don't follow the NBA closely, but do enjoy listening to some of the ex-player podcasts and one of the more interesting themes that I have picked up on is that certain teams/franchises are really, really good at developing talent and improving players, while some seem to just expect players to do work on their own or be finished products when they come in (these teams work more on things like game planning, defense, and such, I guess).

I would assume NFL coaches are similar and I think it shows.

[Thomkal]

I was trying to remember if there were any legitimate talent evaluators before Young was drafted that said publically he would be a bust? If so then the evaluation of QB's has to change. Cardinals drafted Josh Rosen in the first round and last i looked he was out of the league. Or QB/Offensive Coordinators have to do a better job of coaching and developing them, putting the right people around him to help him succeed.



As a semi-Carolina fan since its the local TV market, i feel bad for their supporters. the owner has been unable to find the right people for the team

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I was trying to remember if there were any legitimate talent evaluators before Young was drafted that said publically he would be a bust? If so then the evaluation of QB's has to change. Cardinals drafted Josh Rosen in the first round and last i looked he was out of the league. Or QB/Offensive Coordinators have to do a better job of coaching and developing them, putting the right people around him to help him succeed.



As a semi-Carolina fan since its the local TV market, i feel bad for their supporters. the owner has been unable to find the right people for the team

Me, but really just an opinion having watch him play a good bit. He seemed like a less talented Baker Mayfield to me. A smaller not as quick version. I saw him get knocked off his game pretty easily by big linemen that didn't over pursue. I really had a hard time seeing how was going to translate into the NFL.

[stevew]

I don’t watch much of any college football. So when I saw the first training camp photos of Young looking tiny behind the line last year, I wondered how was it going to work. So i immediately figured that he was an elite scrambler in college. And then i saw he had something like 70 yards rushing in college. I guess it was 160some. But nobody was making any kind of a stink about him busting. If eligible he would have likely went 1.1 in 2022 as well. What am I missing.

[RainMaker]

I think coaching and supporting cast play huge roles in QB development. The Packers were able to make Malik Willis look good and he was legitimately one of the worst QBs I've seen play the past couple years.

[Danny]

I didn't think Young would be a bust but I didnt see him as a premiere qb prospect worthy of trading up to get at #1.

[Ksyrup]

Yes.

The most direct "what if?" situation is if you switched Young and Stroud. Maybe Stroud looks more like Fields in Chicago if he's in Carolina? Maybe Young looks better with weapons and a good team around him?

[Danny]

Except his coach last year has shown to be at least solid with qbs, and Young has been historically bad. I dont think hed be excelling with any team.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I was trying to remember if there were any legitimate talent evaluators before Young was drafted that said publically he would be a bust? If so then the evaluation of QB's has to change. Cardinals drafted Josh Rosen in the first round and last i looked he was out of the league. Or QB/Offensive Coordinators have to do a better job of coaching and developing them, putting the right people around him to help him succeed.



As a semi-Carolina fan since its the local TV market, i feel bad for their supporters. the owner has been unable to find the right people for the team

For the stat-miners out there (and I do my share of this), I can tell you that there's nothing much to look for in college quarterback stats. At least nothing magical that differentiates between moderately successful college quarterbacks.

There's a readiness component in that you want someone who can adjust to the speed of play in the NFL. But even that's not quantifiable. There are so many exceptions to any rule you can come up with.

NFL quarterbacks are scouted. By and large, fairly well in that the higher a guy is drafted, the more likely he is to succeed. We've seen some exceptions, like Brock Purdy and Dak Prescott and (for most of his career) Russell Wilson. But a guy usually goes high in the first round if he's going to be a success.

However, only twice in the last 13 years (I cherry pick, because this was the case in three straight years before that) has the first quarterback selected been the most successful quarterback in the draft. One of those two is your Kyler Murray, by the way.

I can only tell you that if you want a winning team, you have to have a quarterback who can move the chains, primarily. And a solid second, a guy who doesn't exceed a certain level of turning the ball over. Carolina won't win with Bryce Young's level of play. Cleveland won't win unless Deshaun Watson returns to his pre-suspension form. Purdy reaching the Super Bowl was not a fluke. That kind of thing.

When the Cardinals played Rosen for a season, he was Young-level bad. He didn't get a second season. He failed to catch on as a backup. I don't think Young would have started this season if not for the trade and not for being #1 overall.

When you see first-round guys like Darnold, who failed (though not as spectacularly) as a starter getting good backup jobs rather than falling out of the league, that's not nothing. Trubisky, Mariota, Mac Jones, Wentz, Winston fall into that category.

The Dolphins snagging Tyler Huntley rather than giving Tannehill a call? He fell off a cliff statistically last year, but the word must be out that it's was an age thing and he's done.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think coaching and supporting cast play huge roles in QB development. The Packers were able to make Malik Willis look good and he was legitimately one of the worst QBs I've seen play the past couple years.

And conversely I'm pretty sure if you put Trevor Lawrence on a team coached by someone who knew what they were doing, he'd look a lot better.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

And conversely I'm pretty sure if you put Trevor Lawrence on a team coached by someone who knew what they were doing, he'd look a lot better.

And there is the flip of the eyeball test. Lawrence has always looked the part. He presents as a complete package tool-wise who just hasn't put it together.

[Arles]

I think CJ Stroud's situation is the exception, not the norm. He went to a team with a good, new coaching staff, solid WRs and a GM who added to the OL the offseason he came in. Plus, he was ready to play.

For most first round pick QBs, they go to a crap team with an owner who just watched a bad, sub .500 team struggle. The idea of that owner tolerating another bad season with Dalton, Minshew or Brisset is never going to happen. So they throw in the rookie into a shit offense with bad coaching and usually a bad OL.

There's no reason Caleb, Nix, Bryce, Daniels or Maye should be starting this year in their situations. But good luck convincing an owner of that. That's one reason why a team like GB (with no owner) has been able to be patient with young QBs. Love was nowhere near ready in 2020 and would be out of the league if they started him then. But grooming a young QB until he's ready and there's a stable infrastructure to develop him is usually not the choice for these teams picking top 5. I'm impressed with how New England has handled Maye (and he may have been the most ready QB of the lot).

[Danny]

I generally agree. Maybe except for Bo Nix who started full time for 5 years and is 24 years old. Im not sure how much better hes going to get .

[GrantDawg]

Interesting, because I would have considered him and McCarthy the least ready. Nix, Penix and Daniels seem like the most prepared. Williams probably could have benefited from waiting to start as well, but his tools would make it hard for any team not to start him.

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[Ryche]

Who thought adding Bellichek as a regular guest on the Manningcast was a good idea?

[GrantDawg]

I hardly ever watch MNF, so since I have to, I am giving Manning cast a shot.

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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Arles

I think CJ Stroud's situation is the exception, not the norm. He went to a team with a good, new coaching staff, solid WRs and a GM who added to the OL the offseason he came in. Plus, he was ready to play.

For most first round pick QBs, they go to a crap team with an owner who just watched a bad, sub .500 team struggle. The idea of that owner tolerating another bad season with Dalton, Minshew or Brisset is never going to happen. So they throw in the rookie into a shit offense with bad coaching and usually a bad OL.

There's no reason Caleb, Nix, Bryce, Daniels or Maye should be starting this year in their situations. But good luck convincing an owner of that. That's one reason why a team like GB (with no owner) has been able to be patient with young QBs. Love was nowhere near ready in 2020 and would be out of the league if they started him then. But grooming a young QB until he's ready and there's a stable infrastructure to develop him is usually not the choice for these teams picking top 5. I'm impressed with how New England has handled Maye (and he may have been the most ready QB of the lot).

If you look at the top QBs in the NFL the vast majority started right away or close to it. The sitting a QB thing just isn't going to work for most. He's going to get reps during the preseason and then once the season starts his reps go down significantly and he's mostly watching both practice and games at that point.

The way QBs and the NFL are right now, if you take a QB and he's so far away from playing he doesn't see the field as a starter in year one you most likely took the wrong QB.

[GrantDawg]

Big win not giving up points there. Feels more like the Eagles shot themselves in the foot after moving the ball so well, though.

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[GrantDawg]

Kirk still looks like ass.

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[GrantDawg]

Yes, let's break down 28-3 for the 100 millionth time. That never gets old.

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[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Yes, let's break down 28-3 for the 100 millionth time. That never gets old.

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Sure doesn't!

[GrantDawg]

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your arm pits.

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[GrantDawg]

Two straight drives all the way down the field and just can't get into the endzone.

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[Ksyrup]

I've seen enough of Cousins.

[GrantDawg]

That was a guts series. Finally, a big play gets them in.

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[Edward64]

He was decent in this last scoring drive. OL isn’t giving him a lot of time

[Edward64]

I’m missing the old kickoffs. I agree in changing it up to minimize injuries so np

[Lathum]

How can you not love Jason Kelce?

[GrantDawg]

Falcons are probably going to lose this, but I still feel a little better about it than I did last week. Kirk started to look a little more comfortable in that series. Hopefully, he can build on it.

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