Today, 07:54 AM | #4301 | |
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Location: homeless in NJ
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And maybe create a special police force that goes into schools, businesses, and homes and asks people for their papers. I’m trying to think of where we have seen that before. |
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Today, 08:00 AM | #4302 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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It's the Shirley Principle.
"Surely, they are just going to go after the bad people." "Surely, they won't use this new power to harass or intimidate" "Surely they will give people the chance to correct an honest paperwork mistake" No one trusts the government more than conservatives in 2024. |
Today, 08:06 AM | #4303 |
Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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I don’t think it’s as much they trust the government as the government is going after the people they hate. Let’s be honest, do you really think white conservatives actually care if the brown people who don’t speak English are citizens or not?
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Today, 08:44 AM | #4304 | |
College Starter
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
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Well, they'll save some money by combining it with stopping women of childbearing age to check for pregnancy or birth control since that's usually on the next line of bills to pass. |
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Today, 08:58 AM | #4305 | |
"Dutch"
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Tampa, FL
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If you are truly against fixing the mass illegal entries issue based on this, you aren’t grounded in any sense of reality. You can’t deport an American to a foreign country. The foreign country has to accept them and unless you are suggesting that other countries are not aware that they need to check for citizenship proof before accepting these “imaginary American deportees”, you must know this isn’t a sensical concern. |
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Today, 09:22 AM | #4306 | |
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Location: homeless in NJ
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So what you’re saying is you are totally ok with people unconstitutionally being asked for papers, illegally detained, then possibly being deported to a country they are not from who’s job it will then be to figure it out? How white of you. |
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Today, 09:31 AM | #4307 | |
lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
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Fish in a barrel. I'll be back in two days when the next absurdity pops up.
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Today, 09:33 AM | #4308 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Personally, I wouldn't call it "reality" but I'd call it different priority. On a scale of 1-10, I suspect you and I are in the 8-10 range and many here are on the 0-2 range (e.g. illegal immigrants are not a problem). |
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Today, 09:56 AM | #4309 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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You can tighten border security without mass deportations. So you really think this is going to move slowly enough that people will be verified both here and in the country of origin? How does that square with Trump's claim that mass deportations and camps will start on day one? How will both the US and the second country check for citizenship? There isn't a list somewhere that can be quickly checked. It requires documentation. What happens when there isn't any documentation? How do we know where to deport to? What happens if the second country says no as will certainly happen in some places like Venezuela? What's probable cause for checking citizenship? Will it take a second violation or will they demand proof on sight? What happens to people who can't prove citizenship but claim they are? Will there be hearings? What happens to people waiting for hearings? Is all of this planned for and they are just keeping it a secret or are they just going to start rounding up and hope for the best? It's funny that you say I'm not serious when all you have is trust me it will all work out okay.
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Today, 09:57 AM | #4310 |
Checkraising Tourists
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Cocoa Beach, FL
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Uncle Ronnie didn't believe in deportation.
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Today, 10:08 AM | #4311 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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At the risk of speaking for others, I think most realize immigration is an issue. The problem is the so called solutions from the GOP just aren't realistic and pander to low information and low IQ voters who lack the ability to critically think. A wall wouldn't solve anything and mass deportations on the scale Trump is proposing just isn't feasible without massive costs and violating the rights of Americans. Unless you are in the "have to break a few eggs to make an omelet camp" when it comes to other peoples liberties you can't see this as a realistic solution. Dutch dodged the question, maybe you'll answer. Logistically what does Trumps proposed mass deportations look like? |
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Today, 10:09 AM | #4312 | |
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Conservatives won't care as long as they send all the cat eating Haitians to Venezuela and not Haitia |
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Today, 10:11 AM | #4313 |
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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I should also add, what happens to the people here on amnesty claims? They aren't citizens but are here legally.
And for that matter, what about people traveling? What happens to people who can't prove their visa status on demand? Do we just trust their word or are they detained?
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Today, 10:13 AM | #4314 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Puyallup, WA
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I'm skeptical that checking people's citizenship could get past even this SCOTUS. Cost, what to do with people that don't cooperate, what to do with people from countries that womt accept them back, what are you doing with US citizens that wont cooperate, are you doing with people that don't have proof but claim to be citizens, where are we putting people pending deportation at each step on the way out of the country, and back to cost. You can't claim to care about the budget and deficit and support this. |
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Today, 10:16 AM | #4315 |
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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You can just look at the math and understand this is an impossible task. Deporting 10000000 people means three thousand a day for ten years. Obviously that's ridiculous, but the GOP is fixated on "plans" that won't possibly work.
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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I'll be glad to answer this question on how I would do it if I was President and will do so later today (have an errand to run). Note that I'll not be answering as Trump. I'll reframe the question as "how would President Edward deal with illegal immigration". I'll assume we'll have a back-and-forth, both doing Q&A without any attacks on person (vs position). Let me know if this is acceptable (or not) to you. Because I plan to ask you for your solutions, my question to you when we continue this discussion is: Quote:
In anticipation of someone complaining about me, let me know if you want to move this over to the Immigration thread. If you want to keep it here, no problem. Oh, in another anticipation of "can't do it, it's impossible", I'll just refer to the Immigration thread where I said Quote:
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Today, 10:26 AM | #4317 | |
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I will be civil and I think a discussion here is fitting given the context of the conversation. I would put the problem at a 5. I think we need a way to process asylum claims much faster. I also think we need these people here to prop up our economy so it is necessary. I think the GOP uses this as a boogeyman (caravans, emptying insane asylums, rapists and thugs, etc....) to frighten people when almost all of these people are here to escape horrific conditions and make a better life for them and their families. |
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Today, 10:26 AM | #4318 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA
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So it looks like some of the attendees at a Trump rally in Arizona are having problems with their eyes:
Trump rally goers suffer mysterious eye injuries: 'I can't see anything' - Raw Story
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Today, 10:29 AM | #4319 | |
Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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thats the risk you take sitting behind Trump |
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Today, 10:40 AM | #4320 |
College Benchwarmer
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Today, 11:39 AM | #4321 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: PDX
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Making America great again, via the citizenship checkpoints, school metal detectors, armed teachers and abortion bounties, just like we all remember from our youth.
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Today, 11:49 AM | #4322 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Puyallup, WA
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So being able to deport millions from our country is a sign of American greatness on par with the moon landing? I honestly don't even understand the point being made there. Are you OK with US citizens being detained because they don't have their citizenship papers on them? |
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Today, 12:09 PM | #4323 |
Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Sounds like all time terrible human being Mark Robinson may be dropping from the race. CNN reportedly about to drop a bombshell on him.
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Today, 12:21 PM | #4324 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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Apparently (this is stuff I'm reading, so I don't know) the deadline to drop out is TONIGHT, so they (Robinson and the GOP) have to decide really quickly.
Seems like a bit of a gift from CNN to leak the story to him while he still had time to get out. And considering everything else that we know about Robinson, what the hell can this dealbreaking bombshell be? |
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