FOF Historic Files - rev0 released

[nilodor]

ok, thanks for this. I'll have to make some adjustments to my processing file then. I'll see if I can do it tomorrow. I ran it with the 26 team numbering, so I'll need to rerun it. I should also make a post on the qb's since Johnny U is a 5 in the files... If you strictly follow the percentages there are only 4 9 rated qb's in history. I think people could guess 2, then 1 they would be like ok, and the 4th would be a surprise.

[nilodor]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Eh, just grabbed my personal computer. Here's the numbers, let me know if you have any questions! Note that 22_4_14 is for 1961-1962 and 22_4_15 is for 1963-1965.

Sorry to be lazy can you tell me which years for which schedules for the others as well?

[Passacaglia]

21_4_14 is 1960 (Dallas joins)
22_4_14 is 1961-1962 (Minnesota joins)
22_4_15 is 1963-1965 (Titans and Texans become Jets and Chiefs)
24_4_14 is 1966 (Atlanta and Miami join)
25_4_14 is 1967 (New Orleans joins)
26_4_14 is 1968-1969 (Cincinnati joins)

If it makes it easier for you, feel free to tell me what numbers you want each team to have instead.

And 4 9s sounds right, that's supposed to be "generational" talent, right? We're talking 64 years, so if there's 4, that means an average generation is 16 years? That sounds like the career length of a typical really good QB, so I think that makes sense.Seeing a post on it would be awesome.

[nilodor]

Ok, I've emailed them to you. We'll see if the zip file makes it.

[Passacaglia]

I got it -- so far so good! I started a game as the 1960 Eagles, and the teams seem like they have the right QBs on them! I'll email you my league_info, default_teams, and schedule files.

You rock, nilodor! If you ever need anyone else to corroborate that you don't smell, I'm your guy!

[Passacaglia]

1969 looks good based on the QBs, too. I just realized that the QBs have their own file, and thus I haven't even looked at anyone who would be in the actual players files. But it's probably a pretty safe assumption that if you got it right for the QB file, then you got it right for the player file.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by nilodor

Was actually just looking at it. The biggest one is getting the teams right. Did you use a consistent mask like you showed here for all the years between 60 and 69? The salaries will still be geared to a 1000, which I think is a 100 million cap. I find the granularity is better with the sim engine, but you can just run a multiplier if you want something different.

Whoops, the files I sent you are not geared to 1000. I'll fix those when I get a chance and send them again. I think setting it to 1000 makes sense since nothing is perfect here*, and users can set it to whatever they want.**

* -- This feels like a no-win situation where something is going to look off. When I set the salary cap and salaries to be really high, they look weird considering the time period. But if I set the cap and salaries low, they look stupid compared to the financials around ticket prices and stadiums.

** -- Note to any users who makes these changes: The text files suggest keeping the same proportion between minimum salaries and salary cap that's originally in the files, and I've found that when it's not proportional, it does make the game funky. So, make sure if you're adjusting the cap, make the same adjustment to all the minimum salaries.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, I just sent you a revised league_info file that should be aligned to the salary cap you have. I also realized I forgot to send you the xxxx_info files, so I sent you those, too.

[nilodor]

Thanks, I'll send them along to Ben one of these days. Let me know how they go.

[beatle]

Once again, Thank You, for doing these files! Much appreciated!

[KingZal]

Originally Posted by nilodor

ok, thanks for this. I'll have to make some adjustments to my processing file then. I'll see if I can do it tomorrow. I ran it with the 26 team numbering, so I'll need to rerun it. I should also make a post on the qb's since Johnny U is a 5 in the files... If you strictly follow the percentages there are only 4 9 rated qb's in history. I think people could guess 2, then 1 they would be like ok, and the 4th would be a surprise.

I noticed that when I was looking through your QB files and I was pleasantly surprised. I know you used a statistical approach and didn't bring your personal biases into play, but I like that your files reward how talented he was even if he never won a Super Bowl.

For anyone who's curious, the player is:

Spoiler

Dan Fouts

[Passacaglia]

Hey nilodor, I think something is still up with contract lengths. I was looking at the 1966 file, and maybe four teams had 30+ players on contract for 1967, a few more had single digits, and a ton had zero. I can alter this myself again to make something that looks more reasonable, but I just thought I'd let you know.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by nilodor

Thanks, I'll send them along to Ben one of these days. Let me know how they go.

Does Ben host there somewhere or something? I've put a few up on Dropbox (free version, so I'm not even positive people can DL it), but if Ben has something he does, maybe that's better.

[nilodor]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Does Ben host there somewhere or something? I've put a few up on Dropbox (free version, so I'm not even positive people can DL it), but if Ben has something he does, maybe that's better.

Ben does host them, you can access them through the FOF9 reference link. If you have them together and want to send it in that would be great!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by nilodor

Ben does host them, you can access them through the FOF9 reference link. If you have them together and want to send it in that would be great!

I can do that. Let me know if you want to change contract lengths in your file first, though.

[NawlinsFan]

Are any of your schedules covering pre-merger or are you considering combing the AFL and NFL schedules?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by NawlinsFan

Are any of your schedules covering pre-merger or are you considering combing the AFL and NFL schedules?

The schedules I'm making are all pre-merger. There are some preseason games where AFL teams played NFL teams, after the merger was agreed on but before it happened (so like 1967-1969), but that's it. There's already a 26_6_14 schedule that has AFC and NFC teams play each other. I'm not sure where I got it, if it came with the game, or if it was from nilodor, but that's what you'd want to use if you're looking for a post-merger schedule -- you could probably use that for 1968 or 1969, since those have 26 teams. You could probably use it for even earlier years and be fine, but the further back you go, the more empty teams you have. Well also, I think team numbers might get screwed up, but I can walk you through that if there's something specific you're looking to do.

[NawlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The schedules I'm making are all pre-merger. There are some preseason games where AFL teams played NFL teams, after the merger was agreed on but before it happened (so like 1967-1969), but that's it. There's already a 26_6_14 schedule that has AFC and NFC teams play each other. I'm not sure where I got it, if it came with the game, or if it was from nilodor, but that's what you'd want to use if you're looking for a post-merger schedule -- you could probably use that for 1968 or 1969, since those have 26 teams. You could probably use it for even earlier years and be fine, but the further back you go, the more empty teams you have. Well also, I think team numbers might get screwed up, but I can walk you through that if there's something specific you're looking to do.

Asking as I am making helmets now. Almost done with 60 and moving on from there.

[Passacaglia]

Those look awesome!

[Passacaglia]

Oh also, the last post on page 2 should help you with what number you need to choose for each team so the game knows how to put them in the right place.

[NawlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Oh also, the last post on page 2 should help you with what number you need to choose for each team so the game knows how to put them in the right place.

Yeah, numbering will follow creation to ensure they are numbered correctly from season to season.

[nilodor]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Hey nilodor, I think something is still up with contract lengths. I was looking at the 1966 file, and maybe four teams had 30+ players on contract for 1967, a few more had single digits, and a ton had zero. I can alter this myself again to make something that looks more reasonable, but I just thought I'd let you know.

I'll take a look at it

[Passacaglia]

1961 coaches file is done. I took a detour to work on a schedule file for the dynasty I'm planning, which will have a weird mid-to-late 60s ish kind of set up. My plan is to do these until 1966, when my dynasty will start, and from there see how much interest there is in going out to 1976, since I have one for that year, and that means I probably already have most of the coaches inputted somewhere, and it's just about putting them in the right place. But if no one even wants it, I won't bother.

[nilodor]

Originally Posted by nilodor

I'll take a look at it

Ok, so I looked at the 66 file.

In my master file for Baltimore there are 47 players, 35 of which play for Baltimore in 67. In the 66 players file there are 43 players none of which have a salary.

I think I figured it out. When I wrote the contract code I wrote it for the 32 team league, i.e., the team number would only change if the player changed teams. For FOF9 the team numbers for the same team change when the league is a different size. Good catch, I'll fix it up and run the database again. I haven't had anytime to play with the files, so I really did only minimal QC, glad someone was paying attention!

[nilodor]

Ok, I've fixed it. I'll rerun the files now. This also affected the players years with team, which plays into the cohesion rating.

[nilodor]

If you're interested, the above example now gives 33 of the 43 in the player file (excluding qb's) who have contracts beyond year 1.

[Passacaglia]

Awesome! You truly don't smell!