The Biden Presidency - 2020

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

This, two posters have basically ruined the board.

Nonsense. We all have the choice of who we engage with and who we don't. We can just ignore anyone we're not interested in discussing things with. The amusing part is, the arguments by the majority tend to not be any better, and often worse, than those by the 'bad' posters.

Echo chambers suck. I certainly don't think FOFC is any better than it was when people were running in circles venting about how Trump sucks and literally nobody disagreeing with them but it just happened again ... and again . .. and again. At least now we have actual substantive disagreements to potentially learn from.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I certainly don't think FOFC is any better than it was when people were running in circles venting about how Trump sucks and literally nobody disagreeing with them

This has never been the case.

[Brian Swartz]

Umm, yes it has been. There was an extended period where you could go several pages of posts in the Trump threads with nobody defending him at all. Jon wasn't posting much and when he did he was as likely to criticize Trump as he was to back what he was doing. Edward was against what he was doing in the great majority of cases, so was I ... there were repeated, large blocks of time where it was just a question of how effusive and bombastic the critical rhetoric was going to be.

There was nobody saying Trump was a good president around here. Nobody even close to that. There were issue debates on climate change or Afghanistan or racism or whatever, but there simply was no pro-Trump contingent at all.

[JPhillips]

The polling for the UK election is just brutal for the Tories.

LABOUR: 476
TORY: 66
LIB DEM: 59
Green: 2
Reform: 0

[Edward64]

CNN said that its debate would be held at 9 p.m. ET in its Atlanta studios with no audience present in a break from recent precedent. Moderators will be anchors Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, CNN said.

Looking forward to a competent, if not strong, showing by you Joe on Jun 27. You got your wish with no audience.

Please make sure your make up guy makes you look less old.

[Lathum]

I still don't think this happens. I think Trump finds a way to weasel his way out of it.

[Brian Swartz]

I'm looking forward to ignoring the debate

[Edward64]

Looking forward to the carefully planned zingers.

Trump kinda gets a pass. IMO there’s little he says/does that will help/hurt him significantly. He may surprise on some policies (hey, let’s do a bipartisan immigration bill, let’s help Ukraine etc.) but no one will believe him unless it’s sustained/repeated the next 4-5 months.

Joe can help/hurt himself significantly by performing/not well. The American public needs to know if Joe is all/mostly there. They already know about Trump.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I'm looking forward to ignoring the debate

If you're in the neighborhood come on over & we can ignore it together

Hard for me to come up with many things that are bigger waste of time that watching one of those in real time.

State of the Union (regardless of who is in office) comes to mind but after that I'm pretty hard pressed.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

wasn't posting much and when he did he was as likely to criticize Trump as he was to back what he was doing.

This opens the door for me to toss a recent social media post I saw in here. (Bear with me a moment & I'll tie this together)

To be fair, I enjoyed the Trump term in office, but that was largely for entertainment value. There were good moments, but not really enough actually accomplished to make me a huge fan of the 4 year span.

Which brings me to what I mentioned at the beginning of this post.

It comes from Doug Collins, former Congressman (R/GA-9) and failed Senate candidate.

I don't remember the last political post I liked as much as this one and I believe it applies in a non-partisan manner. It's simple basic truth, and I loved it a ton.

It takes 218 votes in the U.S. House to get anything done.

If you hear any political candidate throw out a policy proposal to change America, as an informed citizen, you should ask them, “How are you going to get 218 votes?”

If they can’t answer that, then they have divorced politics from reality

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Hard for me to come up with many things that are bigger waste of time that watching one of those in real time.

Amen, I couldn't agree more.

It's a little weird that for someone as interested in politics as I, one of the things in life that makes me cringe the most is listening to almost any politician speak. Even most of Obama's stuff made my cringe. Don't know what it is, but it is, and debates are the worst form of it.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I don't remember the last political post I liked as much as this one and I believe it applies in a non-partisan manner. It's simple basic truth, and I loved it a ton.

Vast swathes of the American populace have long not understood how our legislative system works. But whereas back in the day there seemed to be a sort of acceptance that the system worked slowly and sometimes you didn't have the votes, these days you have morons on both the left and the right utterly convinced that they absolutely know how it works and it should be completely easy to do X, Y, and Z.

Lots of them get elected to office - witness Cruz in the Senate self-owning when his botched parliamentary procedure (years ago) got some Democratic bill passed. Or pretty much anything MTG thinks she can do in the House. And, conversely, all the Bernie Bros who are so convinced that if all you did was elect Bernie, he'd kick that ole Congress into shape and pass every left-wing pipe dream of legislation you could think of.

The electorate is, by and large, a bunch of idiots.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Vast swathes of the American populace have long not understood how our legislative system works. But whereas back in the day there seemed to be a sort of acceptance that the system worked slowly and sometimes you didn't have the votes, these days you have morons on both the left and the right utterly convinced that they absolutely know how it works and it should be completely easy to do X, Y, and Z.

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Please make sure your make up guy makes you look less old.

Joe, not sure if possible, but can you stop appearing in public with other younger world leaders. You looked really stiff and old walking beside Macron, and walking down those steps.

[GrantDawg]

The only thing that is going to make Joe look less old is a time machine.

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[Edward64]

Makeup does miraculous things.

Source: Hollywood A-listers

[NobodyHere]

Cant we use CGI to de-age Joe?

[Brian Swartz]

We can just accept the fact that an old man was chosen on purpose. Trying to hide the fact that he's old as some seem to be trying to do is silly IMO.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

We can just accept the fact that an old man was chosen on purpose. Trying to hide the fact that he's old as some seem to be trying to do is silly IMO.

Seriously, the party of Reagan going on about how old a dude is seems a bit much.

[Edward64]

Optics matter, especially so in politics, that is reality. Is it shallow? Sure but everyone does it and it’s for the greater good.

Re: Reagan, there is about 8 ‘presidential years’ difference.

[Reagan was born on Feb. 6, 1911. His final day in office was Jan. 20, 1989. His age on that day was about two weeks shy of 78.

Biden was born on Nov. 20, 1942. His first day in office was Jan. 20, 2021. His age on that day was two months older than 78.