POTUS 2024 - Biden vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Atocep

If a person that would otherwise vote Dem decides to not vote for a Dem candidate that is effectively a vote for the other party and vice versa.

This is sports team mentality, but from the blue side. I’ve voted in 5 presidential elections and I’ve voted blue 3 times and red twice. Everyone should reject sports team mentality. That is one of the big reasons we are where we are at now.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

Since you're going to post this 90 times.....
Name one elected federal judge.
Have you heard of Steve Bannon, Roger Stone or Stephen Miller?
If you're going to post idiotic conspiracy theories from craphole twitter, at least post some names or something? Why isn't Obama behind Biden's presidency? Is he not extreme or left minder enough?

Conspiracy…

They literally held the debate in June rather than Sep/Oct. Far out in advance of the election (first time ever) in order to at least have the option to replace him which they are literally talking about right now on CNN, MSNBC, and The NY Times (if those are okay sources for you). They did it for what reason if not for the health concerns? Just because?

He’s clearly suffered either from one or more TIA events (which are somewhat recoverable from) or he straight up has cognitive decline which would trigger the White House doctor to have him see a neurologist.
(Just like us regular folks do for our parents when they have these sorts of noticeable warning signs.)

Yes, we can only speculate (conspire?) about how that went as I believe the President is protected by medical privacy laws and is under no obligation to tell the public but meh, who cares right?

[RainMaker]

I think they had it early because his poll numbers were in the shitter and they hoped it would give him a boost.

His campaign has been run poorly although it's tough when your candidate has dementia. Also when party leadership likely finds it beneficial for Republicans to re-take the White House so they don't really care.

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Conspiracy…

They literally held the debate in June rather than Sep/Oct. Far out in advance of the election (first time ever) in order to at least have the option to replace him which they are literally talking about right now on CNN, MSNBC, and The NY Times (if those are okay sources for you). They did it for what reason if not for the health concerns? Just because?

He’s clearly suffered either from one or more TIA events (which are somewhat recoverable from) or he straight up has cognitive decline which would trigger the White House doctor to have him see a neurologist.
(Just like us regular folks do for our parents when they have these sorts of noticeable warning signs.)

Yes, we can only speculate (conspire?) about how that went as I believe the President is protected by medical privacy laws and is under no obligation to tell the public but meh, who cares right?

I said stop with the conspiracy theories. Not one thing you said makes any sense at all. You aren't a doctor, I don't care what you think. Do you think trump is suffering from any mental decline or any disease, doc? Go speculate somewhere else. Some very fine people are saying bullshit. Why would Biden do a debate early if he knew he was going to fail?. It's rhetorical, no need to respond.

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

New CBS News poll

41% of Democrats and 80% of Independents say Joe Biden does not have the mental and cognitive health to serve as President

— umichvoter ��️‍�� (@umichvoter) June 30, 2024

Chicken little, you forgot about the good poll, which doesn't matter.


Today's YouGov/CBS Poll:

Should Biden stay in the race? YES, 55%-45%

Should TRUMP stay in the race?
NO, 54-46%

[Danny]

Trump numbers just dont really matter. Hes getting his votes regardless. Biden has to get more votes. And he doesn't appear capable of that. He will likely only go down as we get closer. A replacement may start a bit lower but actually has a chance to go up and win

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by dubb93

This is sports team mentality, but from the blue side. I’ve voted in 5 presidential elections and I’ve voted blue 3 times and red twice. Everyone should reject sports team mentality. That is one of the big reasons we are where we are at now.

Voting 3rd party in a 2 party system is a wasted vote, regardless of what rational those who do so want to use. Those are the mostly the people I'm looking at. If you feel the other party's candidate is better in a particular election there's nothing wrong with that.

I was mostly speaking of the mindset of not voting or voting 3rd party. It's not a circular reasoning fallacy, which was kind of what was being implied.

[Atocep]

The funny thing is, Trump has shown more mental decline than Biden on the campaign trail. He's had multiple short circuits, can't name people, mixes people up, etc. He had a good day (for him) at the debate and Biden didn't so most aren't paying attention to the words Trump was actually saying, most of which didn't make any sense or had no meaning.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

I said stop with the conspiracy theories. Not one thing you said makes any sense at all. You aren't a doctor, I don't care what you think. Do you think trump is suffering from any mental decline or any disease, doc? Go speculate somewhere else. Some very fine people are saying bullshit. Why would Biden do a debate early if he knew he was going to fail?. It's rhetorical, no need to respond.

I am not a fan of the medical diagnosis everyone wants to make, but it has been speculated on several credible sites they scheduled it so far in advance for this very scenerio.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The funny thing is, Trump has shown more mental decline than Biden on the campaign trail. He's had multiple short circuits, can't name people, mixes people up, etc. He had a good day (for him) at the debate and Biden didn't so most aren't paying attention to the words Trump was actually saying, most of which didn't make any sense or had no meaning.

This is true but it doesnt matter. Trump could go up there in nothing but his underwear and answer every question by talking about the mating habits of sea creatures and his supporters will applaud and vote for him.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Danny

This is true but it doesnt matter. Trump could go up there in nothing but his underwear and answer every question by talking about the mating habits of sea creatures and his supporters will applaud and vote for him.

Compared to the option there's really not much rational choice.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The funny thing is, Trump has shown more mental decline than Biden on the campaign trail. He's had multiple short circuits, can't name people, mixes people up, etc. He had a good day (for him) at the debate and Biden didn't so most aren't paying attention to the words Trump was actually saying, most of which didn't make any sense or had no meaning.

I don't buy at all that "Biden lost the debate," frankly. Trump lied almost constantly. Being wrong is literally the only way you can lose a debate.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

Go speculate somewhere else.

For the most part, I do.

In any event, since you called me a doctor (Im not), if your mother or father showed signs of mental decline, I would strongly encourage you to have them see a neurologist. There’s nothing to be ashamed of and it wouldn’t hurt. Don’t ignore the signs because you aren’t qualified to treat it.

[RainMaker]

Taking the threat of fascism seriously.

Camp David: Biden family spent morning not having a summit but in hair and makeup for a shoot with Annie Leibovitz, Vogue photog who shot Biden/Obama/Clinton in March then suggested doing something informal with the Bidens. Family suggested this week, bc Hunter & family in town.

— Katie Rogers (@katierogers) June 30, 2024