POTUS 2024 - Biden vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Really going to argue that Hillary was a good politician?

At least one of Biden, Trump, and Hillary is better than historically bad.

[CrimsonFox]

ohio sucks...and I oughtta know...

[CrimsonFox]

and here Bernie is out in Wisconsin campaigning for Biden like bulldog. I love that guy. Oh what could have been. But people would be saying the same things.

Seriously 4 years ago...everything being discussed NOW was OBVIOUS 4 years ago. Were they seriously not worried? Were they thinking...oh we'll just put a new candidate in in 4 years. Well here we are. They didn't do that. And he didn't do that.

[Edward64]

They're coming out of the woodworks now. CNN is reporting below but I refuse to listen to the video clip vs. just read ...

Video: Carl Bernstein says sources suggest concerns about Biden have been growing for a year | CNN Politics

Bernstein says sources suggest concerns about Biden have been growing for a year

So went to the ever reliable DM. Assume it's reporting similar to the CNN video.

Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein claims Biden's staffers have witnessed up to 20 'marked incidence of cognitive decline and physical infirmity' in the ailing president in the last 18 months | Daily Mail Online

Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein claims Biden's staffers have witnessed up to 20 'marked incidence of cognitive decline and physical infirmity' in the ailing president in the last 18 months

• Bernstein says multiple sources describe Biden's declining mental health
• Said events like the ones at the debate Thursday have occurred '15 to 20' times
• 'We're clearly dealing with two sets of one person,' Bernstein confessed

[JPhillips]

Vanity Fair posted a picture of RFK Jr. posing with a barbecued dog carcass.

[Lathum]

I said it after the debate. His performance is a national security risk.


Several US military bases in Europe on heightened alert amid possible terrorist threat | CNN Politics

[Lathum]

Silver has Biden’s chances down to 28%

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[GrantDawg]

Yes it's true he may have sexually harassed his babysitter. Been photographed eating a dog. Contributed to the measles deaths of children abroad. Have a dead worm in his brain.

But listen to how beautifully articulate he is https://t.co/Fn1rzByZ5V

— Andrew Fleischman (@ASFleischman) July 2, 2024

[GrantDawg]

This is not good....

NEWS

A private poll conducted by the same group which does polling for President BIden’s super pac shows that Biden’s support has started to tumble in key electoral battlegrounds in the wake of his disastrous debate performance in Atlanta.

Biden’s diminished standing is now… pic.twitter.com/WgJnQimWUZ

— Yashar Ali �� (@yashar) July 2, 2024

[Atocep]

I think Bidens biggest weakness is that his sexual assault allegations were unfounded and he pushed back too hard against them instead of wearing it like a badge of honor.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

This is not good....

It'll take a semi-miracle for him to come back from his Stockdale moment. But then, that did happen in 2019 with South Carolina. So, there is hope.

I don't have regular TV, but if not already, he needs to be appearing at public events, take questions, maybe appear on Sun talk shows etc. to show that the Jun debate was an aberration. Do several of these successfully and then maybe many of supporters & undecided will be somewhat mollified.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Edward64

It'll take a semi-miracle for him to come back from his Stockdale moment. But then, that did happen in 2019 with South Carolina. So, there is hope.

I don't have regular TV, but if not already, he needs to be appearing at public events, take questions, maybe appear on Sun talk shows etc. to show that the Jun debate was an aberration. Do several of these successfully and then maybe many of supporters & undecided will be somewhat mollified.

Hes not capable of that though. It would almost certainly have the opposite effect.

[Jas_lov]

I saw on Twitter he's doing an interview with George Stephanopoulos on Friday but it's not live. And I guess he's taking questions from the press next week. He should have been out there today. If he can't do these things then withdraw.

[thesloppy]

Positive performances from here on out might make the debate performance questionable in some people's minds, but each appearance is also a risk that he stumbles and makes things even worse. Is that really a risk you want to take, over and over again with an 80 year old who has speaking problems by default?

[RainMaker]

If he was fine mentally, they would have had him do a long press conference and going out on all the Sunday talk shows. It would have immediately calmed people down and ended any talk of replacing him.

The fact they can't do that is a clear sign he is not mentally fit. And the scumbags in his administration who continue to lie to people about it are helping usher in Trump. You can thank them all when this is over.

[Ksyrup]

He has to perform "normally" every time out. No room for another "McConnell freeze" moment. It's just not going to happen.

And then there's the unfortunate fact that he can't appear ... 81 years old? There's a shot of him at the rally the day after the debate, when pretty much everyone says he was so much better, where Dr. Jill is speaking and he's standing there, staring off into space, mouth ajar. You know, like old people - even those who have their shit together - sometimes look. It's viral moments like that that are going to stick in peoples' minds and reinforce the idea that he's now Debate Biden 24/7.

[JPhillips]

This shit is really scary.

Heritage Foundation president celebrates Supreme Court presidential immunity ruling: "We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be"

[GrantDawg]

Holy crap. There's no chance, but it would be crazy:

Some Democratic party sources are "already floating the idea of opening it up to all contenders, having, let's call it a five-week speed-dating primary, maybe having debates between now and the convention, and then leaving it up to the convention." pic.twitter.com/Jc8Zm2nvSu

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) July 3, 2024

[Ksyrup]

We've had news items on multiple local channels, plus articles in local papers, nearly every day about Andy Beshear jumping into the race.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

We've had news items on multiple local channels, plus articles in local papers, nearly every day about Andy Beshear jumping into the race.

He'd be interesting for sure.

[RainMaker]

Trump is a really weak candidate thatl I bet a lot of people will throw their hat in. Seen people hyping up Shapiro and JB was on CNN earlier.

[larrymcg421]

I still haven't heard a good response to how the Dems explain to African-American voters why they passed over Kamala for a white guy.

Trump's team is probably already working on statements responding to that possibility.

The Democrats might lose no matter who they pick, but if they lose black voters, they'll never win another election again.

[RainMaker]

No one gives a shit about Kamala.

[CrimsonFox]

kamala was never the candidate 4 years ago what are you talking about?
Harris may have been going to be given the reins in 4 more years as that's how it works. (not that I like that that's how it works)

[larrymcg421]

Should that be their response to Trump's attacks? I don't think that will work.

Also, people definitely care about Clyburn, as we saw in 2020, and he has said it has to be Biden or Harris.

PredictIt is moving in her direction...

Biden .46
Harris .36

Everyone else less than .10

[RainMaker]

She ran in 2020 and no one cared. Her approval numbers are pretty bad.

With that said, she would still be an upgrade over Joe merely for the fact she can draw a clock on a piece of paper. I also think it would motivate some Democrats to have someone with more energy running. And reports have been that she has been against the genocide in Gaza which is why shes been so silent on the topic.

I think if you paired her with a popular governor like Shapiro, she'd win.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

This shit is really scary.

The America I was lead to believe existed, is dead. We are fully on the path towards authoritarian subjugation.

[PilotMan]

Biden needs to go. The whole thing still has time to be wiped and reset. Let it be an ugly brokered convention. Maybe then, there will be someone everyone can support. Biden is done.

[Izulde]

I think it’s pretty much over at this point regardless. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Beshear I suspect is the best possible alternative - white male governor of a red state.

Harris doesn’t have the charisma and is tied to the administration. Newsome has the California problem - a shit ton of people blame Californians for ruining the housing market (yes, I know, corporations in actuality, but perceptions and all that).

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

There's a shot of him at the rally the day after the debate, when pretty much everyone says he was so much better, where Dr. Jill is speaking and he's standing there, staring off into space, mouth ajar.

Again? Damn.

If he can't fix that problem, that's a pretty bad sign IMO. Either no one has told him about it (which I can't believe) or ... he doesn't remember or have enough self awareness to keep his mouth closed.



My vote is Michele. I know she seems reluctant to get into politics, but I do believe the Dems would rally behind her.

Just a moment...

When asked who they would vote for in the November presidential election, 40% of registered voters say Biden and 40% say Trump. This tie between candidates is consistent from late May 2024 when 41% said Biden and 39% said Trump.

When asked about hypothetical Democratic candidate matches against Trump, 50% of registered voters say they would vote for Michelle Obama, and just 39% say they would vote for Trump.

All other hypothetical Democratic candidates either perform similarly to or worse than Biden against Trump. Vice President Kamala Harris hypothetically wins 42% of registered voters to Trump’s 43%. California Governor Gavin Newsom hypothetically wins 39% of registered voters to Trump’s 42%. All other hypothetical Democratic candidates earn between 34% to 39% of potential votes among registered voters.