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Originally Posted by RainMaker
You're not winning an optics war with Israel. They have the strongest lobbying groups in Washington and most of the media on their side. They've created an open-air prison for a group of people and committed human rights abuses on a regular basis. Their leaders were bragging on social media today about committing war crimes.
What happened sucks, but it's part of war. You can't be outraged when one side finally fights back with the same tactics as their oppressors. They don't have many options but to fight these types of guerilla wars. As for the location, hosting a rave right outside a concentration camp isn't the best optics either.
Regardless, what would you have done in their position?
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Originally Posted by GrantDawg
What would have done in their position? Oh, I don't know. Gave up on the failed policy of terror many many years ago and have taken one of the many peace plans that they have been offered that would have given them more freedoms and independence and the ability to deal on the world stage. It is not like there haven't been many opportunities for peace shattered over the decades. Not always the Palestinians fault, but also not always Isreal's fault either.
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Yeah basically what he said. It's not Israel's lobbying groups creating and uploading the videos going around Telegram etc, and we've both heard extensive criticism of Israel and it's government over the years even if it doesn't fit your narrative so you're pretending it never exists. (Much justified, but also a decent amount driven by anti-Semitism or at least "anti-Zionism" in the speakers eyes.) Israel will probably go too far and we'll have a 3rd intifada but Hamas attacked in such a terroristic fashion not a single Arab country, Fatah, Hezbollah, or the vast majority of Palestinians in the West Bank are willing to join their side at this point and all the rhetoric coming from Europe and the UN is anti-Hamas's actions which it rarely is. Even now Hamas is threatening to execute hostages on video and release them to get the bombing to stop, when the play to get some public opinion back on your side would be to have those hostages killed (or appear to be killed) by Israeli bombing, but they're too dumb and indoctrinated into a cultish echo chamber that hates humanity and celebrates their actions on social media to recognize it.