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Old 01-01-2023, 12:07 PM   #171
Solecismic
Solecismic Software
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Canton, OH
Yep, simplistic, misleading, lies, etc. What we're really doing is talking past each other. I think you genuinely believe you've bent over backwards to be overly fair. You haven't come close. And I'm getting tired of your constant whining about it.

Methods of extraction have improved and they are more expensive. And now, in many areas around the world, any methods are forbidden. Games are played with leases, oil companies pass along those coasts, focus on different markets. The end result is that we pay a lot more for oil and then we pay incredible amounts for failing technologies like wind and solar.

For those of us in wealthy America, the impact is beginning. I'm sure you've noticed your utility rates rising far beyond inflation. You probably haven't noticed the increase in power outages. Our grid became remarkably reliable after it became a mission stemming from the major incidents in 1965 and 1977.

In Europe, multiply the impact many times - to the point where the government simply pays for much of it (so the energy sector is partially being nationalized - if that were production of any kind, we could look at the transformation of Venezuela from the most modern South American economy to hell as an example of why socialism is a bad idea).

If you think the mission of the NERC is irrelevant and their warnings a lie, not sure what to say there. It's kind of the crux of this argument - price and unreliability = if there is a crisis coming down the road, we're greatly hurting our ability to meet it.

If there's some magic in globalization, tell me how this all doesn't end up with China's dictator using the White House as his summer cottage in a few decades. They don't play by our rules. They have something we want and are willing to produce it (with slave labor). What do we have that they want?
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