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Originally Posted by Edward64

There's always a certain level of "bad stuff" ever present. So my 2- is an acknowledgement of that. You may not think it's 8+ but you certainly think it's worse than I do.

Using terminology like "bad stuff" as a substitute for anti-semitic and/or anti- LGBT measures is a cop out IMO and is an example of exactly the thought process that "led many people to view the Jews as “alien.” and view the LGBT community in a similar manner today. But that is from my article.

Under the Antisemitism section on the site you posted, I found this. Again, substitute the references of the Jews with those of the LGBT community.

Not until the 1930s, however, with the ascendancy of National Socialism and Adolf Hitler’s accession to power in Germany, did racial antisemitism become a political instrument in the hands of the masses and, later on, the official policy of a modern state. From then on the essence of Jewishness was believed to be biological. In the past a Jew could theoretically avoid persecution by assimilating, renouncing the customs of his tradition, or adopting a non-Jewish faith. However, the racial element eliminated these possibilities. The new racial outlook defined the German people as the finest and purest branch of the Aryan-Nordic race (along with the Nordic-Scandinavian peoples) and labeled Jews as a subhuman race that strove to challenge the “correct” world order and deprive the “supreme race” of its position of dominance and leadership. Unless the “Aryan” race won the struggle and established its dominion, Jews would bring about the extermination of the human race.

The previous paragraphs on that page provided the background of how the society got to that point. The point I am making is the LGBT community is being portrayed in the same manner as the Jewish community was portrayed back then. That deserves more than just an acknowledgement.

And that's the point, the LGBTQ+ community is not under near similar attack (per my article). What's to stop ACLU, LGBTQ+ groups in California, New York etc. helping out? We are lawsuit happy in the US.

From your article

Nazi anti-Jewish policy functioned on two primary levels: legal measures to expel the Jews from society and strip them of their rights and property while simultaneously engaging in campaigns of incitement, abuse, terror and violence of varying proportions. There was one goal: to make the Jews leave Germany.

On March 9, 1933, several weeks after Hitler assumed power, organized attacks on Jews broke out across Germany.

No one interested in an honest discussion would dispute that the LGBT community has been subject to legal measures to expel them from society and strip them of their rights and property what simultaneously facing campaigns of incitement, abuse, terror and violence of varying proportions. Organized attacks against LGBT communities have occurred all over the the country. Again I note, no one demanded that the Jews file lawsuit because everyone knew that Hitler had assumed power and appointed his followers in the courts. What was there to stop the Jews from filing lawsuits back then?

Now you are absolutely correct. There has not been a call for a national boycott of LGBT businesses like there was on April 1, 1933 on Jewish businesses. But if you click on the link about the boycott in that article, you will find this nugget.

Some scholars believe that the Nazis issued the boycott as a way to
appease party members who demanded extreme economic steps against the
Jews as they had been promised in the party's platform. Others view the
boycott as the cue to begin harassing the Jews—a legal precedent for racial
discrimination that could only lead downhill.

Hmm, maybe there are other ways to appease party members who demanded extreme economic steps against the LGBT community as promised in a major party's platform. Maybe there are other ways that can act as a a cue to harass LGBT community members- a legal precedent for discrimination that could only go downhill.

Approximately one week later, a law concerning the rehabilitation of the professional civil service was passed. The purpose of the legislation was to purge the civil service of officials of Jewish origin and those deemed disloyal to the regime. It was the first racial law that attempted to isolate Jews and oust them from German life. The first laws banished Jews from the civil service, judicial system, public medicine, and the German army (then being reorganized). Ceremonial public book burnings took place throughout Germany. Many books were torched solely because their authors were Jews. The exclusion of Jews from German cultural life was highly visible, ousting their considerable contribution to the German press, literature, theater, and music.

Again you are absolutely correct. There has not been specific legislation to purge the civil service of LGBT folks. There has been specific legislation to purge them from other areas though. There have been book burnings or book removals from public spaces. There has been highly visible efforts to exclude LGBT folks ousting their considerable contribution to the American press, literature, theater, music and other areas of society as well. I did not intend to go all the way to 1935 and the Nuremberg Laws because I did not think that was relevant but I mean...

The Nuremberg Laws not only provided a "legitimate" legal mechanism for excluding the Jews from mainstream German culture, but also supplied the
Nazi Party with a rationalization for the antisemitic riots and arrests they had
carried out over the previous months.

To be clear, I still don't think the treatment of the LGBT community today in our country has reached the levels of the worst of the Nazi's treatment of the Jews in the 30's and 40's. I am also not a person who has had to deal with those legal measures meant to expel the members of that community from society and strip them of their rights and property while simultaneously engaging in campaigns of incitement, abuse, terror and violence of varying proportions. It does not need to be that way and the insistence of some to want to follow the Nazi example in relation to this community is terrifying.