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Old 03-11-2008, 12:32 PM   #18
Ksyrup
This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
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This stuff is so hard to find if you're not tracking it as you find it or scouring the league looking for it (especially like me, when I'm mostly fast simming), but here are some examples of what I'm talking about:

This is an historical league, with AI player evaluation options set to:

Ratings - 10
Current Year Stats - 50
Previous Year - 30
2 Years Ago - 10


Fernando Valenzuela:

1982: 18-14, 3.13 ERA, 273 IP, 229 H, 87/232 BB/K, 15 CGs
Ratings (all ratings as of January 1st of that year): 12/10, 16/11, 12/11

1983: 12-16, 3.40 ERA, 241 IP, 198 H, 86/182 BB/K, 13 CGs
Ratings: 10/8, 14/11, 11/9

1984: AAA - 15-8, 2.63 ERA, 192 IP, 130 H, 75/236 BB/KK, 14 CGs
Ratings: 8/6, 11/10, 11/9

Didn't pitch in the majors again until 1987, but pitched very well in the minors for 84-86. Yes, his rating slipped from 1982 to 1984, but his stats do not support dropping him to the minors before 1984 even started.




Here's an interesting one - Cal McLish:

1946 - 21-9, 2.48, 236 IP, 174 H, 77/183 BB/K
Won Cy Young Award!
Ratings: 8/7, 15/13, 12/13

1947: 20-4, 3.24, 195 IP, 157 H, 82/88 BB/K
Ratings: 6/5, 15/14, 12/10

1948: 13-5, 2.85, 148 IP, 129 H, 54/57 BB/K
Ratings: 5/3, 15/14, 11/10

No injury in 1948 - won Player of the Month for May, made the All-Star team in July...and then was dropped from the rotation and sat unused for the rest of the season. Spent 1949-51 in the minors and was done.




Chief Bender:

1904: 26-13, 1.83, 359 IP, 279 H, 80/260 BB/K, 37 CGs
Ratings: 8/8, 19/20, 14/15

1905: 22-17, 1.91, 349 IP, 257 H, 94/245 BB/K, 36 CGs
Won Cy Young Award!
Ratings: 8/7, 17/16, 14/12

1906 ratings: 7/6, 17/16, 12/9
1906-07 - spent entire years in minors. Won Cy Young in 1905 and never pitched in the majors again!!!???




Here's a bizarre one....Charlie Case:

1907: 22-16, 2.48, 341 IP, 330 H, 81/110 BB/K, 36 CGs
Ratings: 4/3, 18/18, 14/14

1908: 6-4, 1.05, 94 IP, 71 H, 15/42 BB/K, completed all 10 starts
Won Pitcher of the Month for June...was sent to the minors for the rest of the year, where he went 18-5 with a 1.90 ERA at AAA.
Ratings: 3/3, 18/18, 14/14

1909: Released by the Tigers on April 8th; re-signed by the Tigers on November 27th! Did not pitch the entire year!!
Ratings: 3/3, 18/18, 14/14

1910: 15-13, 2.67, 273 IP, 263 H, 75/92, 24 CGs
Ratings: 4/3, 18/18, 14/14

That's right - dude lost 1 POINT off his stuff, which got him tossed out of the starting rotation with a 1.05 ERA and released the next year. He regained that 1 point, and he pitched through 1917.




Another one I can't figure out - Don Schwall:

1965: 22-5, 2.68, 248 IP, 186 H, 93/194 BB/K
Won Cy Young Award!
Ratings: 8/8, 17/17, 9/10

1966: 12-1, 2.50, 126 IP, 110 H, 10/45 BB/K
Spends rest of year in AAA, goes 6-4 with a 2.20 ERA - No Injuries.
Ratings: 8/8, 17/17, 9/10

1967: 11-13, 2.90, 208 IP, 180 H, 65/120 BB/K
Rating: 8/8, 17/17, 10/10

1968: AAA - 8-13, 2.54, 181 IP, 145 H, 78/226 BB/K
No appearance in the majors this year!
Ratings: 7/8, 17/17, 10/10

At end of 1968, he is picked by the Expos in the expansion draft.

1969: After pitching 60 innings for the expansion Expos and compiling a 1-5 record with a 5.07 ERA, he gets traded back to Boston, where he goes 12-2, 2.78 for the rest of the year!
Ratings: 7/7, 17/17, 10/10

1970: 11-5, 3.10, 157 IP, 128 H, 84/102 BB/K
Appears to have been less-used starter (only 21 starts, no AAA time)
Ratings: 7/7, 17/17, 10/10

April 1971: Released with ratings of 7/7, 16/17, 10/10.

January 1, 1972: Retires with ratings of 6/7, 16/16, 10/10

I have not even a guess at an explanation for THAT one...



I found these just by reviewing about 75% of the Cy Young winners from both leagues. And there were several others that were arguable, where there was a slippage in their stats, but they still were starting 30+ games a year, and then nothing the next year. But these seem pretty clear-cut problematic and/or bizarre to me. According to Marcus...stuff like this is apparently normal.

*sigh*
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