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Lathum 06-19-2023 02:49 PM

Submarine exploring the titanic goes missing
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...sing-rcna90032

Lost communication and hour and 45 minutes in to expedition. Doesn't look great



CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 12:18 AM

When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
"Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
At seven PM, a main hatchway caved in, he said
"Fellas, it's been good to know ya"

CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 12:21 AM

This is interesting

Quote:

One of the missing crew members is Hamish Harding, the billionaire owner and chairman of Action Aviation. A post Sunday on Harding's Instagram account said he was joining OceanGate’s expedition "as a mission specialist" — typically a one-time crew member who pays a fee to join the effort.

molson 06-20-2023 01:28 AM

This is the company's video that promotes the experience.

https://youtu.be/Wi60tvRwRlE

Part of the deal is that you're trained and get some kind of job. You spend 8 days overall on the surface ship, and then go down to the Titanic a couple of times, which takes a few hours. And the tourists "may assist the pilot with coms and tracking" (but it sounds like they mostly take pointless notes). Hopefully some dummy customer didn't screw anything up. Seems like a plot of a Pauly Shore movie.

Also, some guy posted this on the Titanic subreddit 3 months ago about these missions:

"Those 'submarines' that they use during the Oceangate Expeditions aren't legally certified to carry passengers. In order to even get in one you have to sign a waiver acknowledging that they don't get even close to meeting a safety code for deep sea submersibles. They are pieced together from makeshift, largely off the shelf parts and are piloted by a Nintendo Gamecube controller (im not even kidding. look it up)."

This is one of those crazy news stories it's easy to go down rabbit holes about. A couple of other interesting little tidbits: The vessel they go down in is bolted from the outside and there's no way to get out without outside help. So even if it managed to re-surface somewhere, they'd have to be found to not suffocate to death - and it would be hard to find them because the vessel is white with blue decals. But most of the smart people talking about this think it's most likely that there was some kind of structural damage, which would have caused the vessel to implode and crumple instantly like a soda can from the ocean pressure and sink to the bottom.

I saw another video of a guy describing the experience - I would not be interested if I had the money. You're in a tin can the size of a minivan for about 8 hours, just sitting against the wall, 5 people. They can only shit and piss in a ziplock bag. There's a "pilot" but he has no idea where he is, he relies on short text messages sent from the surface ship that stay stuff like, "turn right for 10 minutes, then go straight". And there's one tiny portal window you can look out and maybe get a glimpse, one at at a time, at some Titanic wreckage.

CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 02:04 AM

That's scary shit molson. :(

I can't even fathom (no pun intended) how those expeditions don't have a million cameras inside and out with people on the boat constantly monitoring them! I was confused at the part where it said it was a tourist submarine yet there were five CREW members. So what you're saying is they just call the tourists "Crew". It's good that they are actually training them before they go. But that makes it make sense they called them that when it's not really true. That billionaire was a tourist. Other than that I wonder how many others were.

molson 06-20-2023 02:20 AM

Ya, I saw a tidbit about that - there is a guy from the U.S. Coast Guard who is running the search operation. He said that there was one pilot on board, “And there were four mission specialists, is the term that the operator uses. You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.” (those are the tourists). And apparently from the tone he wasn't impressed.

But, it's not like these people didn't know what they were getting into. This is the only currently-existing manned vessel that can go down there. It all sounds crazy now, but, that's part of the adventure of it. They were specifically informed and waived liability about every possible thing that could go wrong, and there was a lot.

CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 02:34 AM

It's at the bottom of the freakin ocean! It's not finding Nemo!

whomario 06-20-2023 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3404679)
Ya, I saw a tidbit about that - there is a guy from the U.S. Coast Guard who is running the search operation. He said that there was one pilot on board, “And there were four mission specialists, is the term that the operator uses. You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.” (those are the tourists). And apparently from the tone he wasn't impressed.

But, it's not like these people didn't know what they were getting into. This is the only currently-existing manned vessel that can go down there. It all sounds crazy now, but, that's part of the adventure of it. They were specifically informed and waived liability about every possible thing that could go wrong, and there was a lot.


I love going on adventures. I also love to always get to do one more after.

This whole operation seems insane.


CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 04:50 AM

Watched some guy saying that the sub has 7 failsafes to get the sub back to the surface including one that said it will automatically go to the surface after 24 hours.

It is unclear/speculation as to when that 24 hours would start and when it's up. something something 24 hours after it receives no prders or something.

The coast guard is sending all kinds of shit there. I wonder if all this would get this press and searches if a billionaire wasn't on board

CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 06:01 AM

What to know about the missing vessel, 'Titan'
The U.S. Coast Guard is searching for the missing research submersible that disappeared Sunday.
The wreckage of the Titanic, the iconic ocean liner that sank more than a century ago, is located 900 nautical miles east of Cape Cod, Massachusetts.
The sub had up to 96 hours of oxygen supply, the U.S. Coast Guard said.
The price of a spot on the submersible was $250,000. It was only on its third trip since OceanGate Expeditions began offering them in 2021.

JonInMiddleGA 06-20-2023 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3404688)
Watched some guy saying that the sub has 7 failsafes to get the sub back to the surface including one that said it will automatically go to the surface after 24 hours.

It is unclear/speculation as to when that 24 hours would start and when it's up. something something 24 hours after it receives no prders or something.

The coast guard is sending all kinds of shit there. I wonder if all this would get this press and searches if a billionaire wasn't on board


If there wasn't a billionaire on board then voyage probably wouldn't have occurred. I mean, who else spends $250k for this?

I think a better question might be whether if this was somewhere area other than the Titanic whether it'd be getting the media coverage.

Lathum 06-20-2023 08:24 AM

The thought of being in that tin can absolutely makes my skin crawl. I can’t even imagine being locked in there.

sovereignstar v2 06-20-2023 08:29 AM

One of the best movies of all-time.....


CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3404698)
The thought of being in that tin can absolutely makes my skin crawl. I can’t even imagine being locked in there.


*ahem*

PRINGLES can!

molson 06-20-2023 08:45 AM

Another theory that's been floated.....

Colossal squid

CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3404701)
Another theory that's been floated.....

Colossal squid


uh oh a despair squid!
They'll all end up looking like this!


bhlloy 06-20-2023 08:50 AM

If we needed any more evidence that having massive amounts of money does not equal being life smart… adventure is going up Everest or swimming the English Channel. The more info that comes out about this the more it looks like planned suicide.

CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 08:53 AM

I personally think they found Bioshock's Rapture

bronconick 06-20-2023 09:14 AM

To be fair, going up Everest is suicide for about 98% of people.

CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 06:12 PM

The worst thing about this is that a script for a TV movie of the week is already being written about this probably.

And I agree bron. Going up everest is bad even for pros.
Heck when I lived in seattle I would constantly hear about the casualties on the cascades and other smaller mountains.

CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 11:33 PM

There has been banging heard by the Sonar deployed. They say in half hour intervals. This has gotten people's hopes up.

Another interview just now echoes my sentiments. That if they ARE on the bottom of the sea, there is really no way to get another sub or anything down there in time. The best way is for it to float to the surface. He was actually surprised it's not already done that and said that it isn't really built for being on the bottom, it's supposed to float when weights are released. So getting those weights released is the key.

*shakes head*

They really needed to get Sig, Keith, Jonathan, WIld Bill, Josh, and Casey on the case. I bet they could find them.

Edward64 06-21-2023 06:57 AM

I'd rather have Jonas Taylor come rescue me.

molson 06-21-2023 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3404800)
That if they ARE on the bottom of the sea, there is really no way to get another sub or anything down there in time. The best way is for it to float to the surface. He was actually surprised it's not already done that and said that it isn't really built for being on the bottom, it's supposed to float when weights are released. So getting those weights released is the key.

*shakes head*



Maybe it got stuck on something, like Titanic wreck debris.

CrimsonFox 06-21-2023 11:59 AM

I really am freaked out about this. It's sad that such stupidity leads to this.

CrimsonFox 06-21-2023 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3404824)
Maybe it got stuck on something, like Titanic wreck debris.


It's possible...that if they sank . I was thinking about sinking theories. Like Okay it sinks for some reason. So if it hurtles downward and crashes on the bottom it could really wedge itself into the ground.

However...the other thing. It takes 2 and a half hours to reach the titanic on the bottom. And they lost contact at 1:45 I think. So if they never got there, they might be on ann underwaterplateau...but worse thought if they plummeted below some shelves...and even if the thing floats it just is stuck on the "ceiling" . oh it's such a big ocean

i'm freaking out.

oh more stupidity. A british vessel that has a remote control underwater vehicle that contains a winch...was held up in US and forbidden to leave to help them.

JonInMiddleGA 06-21-2023 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3404834)
oh more stupidity. A british vessel that has a remote control underwater vehicle that contains a winch...was held up in US and forbidden to leave to help them.


Welllll ... that's the claim from a guy who just happened to have been supposed to be on board but pulled out at the last minute.

Aaaaand the ship is in Newfoundland not the US.
Aaaaand the equipment in question is on planes on the Guernsey Islands (also not the U.S.)

Aaaaand the company itself allegedly waited 8 hours to report a problem.

So it seems reasonable that we miiiiight not be hearing the whole story on that just yet

Atocep 06-21-2023 01:00 PM

I saw an interview with a guy familiar with the sub and said he knew 3 of the people on board. He explained that the most likely outcome was a hull issue and the sub likely imploded at 6000+ feet underwater.

If thats the case, what an awful way to go.

Edit: although sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 4 days waiting for oxygen to run out is probably worse.

Ksyrup 06-21-2023 01:01 PM

How long until they set up a multi-stop submersible tourist exploration of both sites?

CrimsonFox 06-21-2023 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3404846)
Welllll ... that's the claim from a guy who just happened to have been supposed to be on board but pulled out at the last minute.

Aaaaand the ship is in Newfoundland not the US.
Aaaaand the equipment in question is on planes on the Guernsey Islands (also not the U.S.)

Aaaaand the company itself allegedly waited 8 hours to report a problem.

So it seems reasonable that we miiiiight not be hearing the whole story on that just yet


hahahahahahahahahaha

CrimsonFox 06-21-2023 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3404848)
How long until they set up a multi-stop submersible tourist exploration of both sites?


There will be documentaries first :(
then biopic

CrimsonFox 06-21-2023 01:14 PM

I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.

Lathum 06-21-2023 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3404847)
I saw an interview with a guy familiar with the sub and said he knew 3 of the people on board. He explained that the most likely outcome was a hull issue and the sub likely imploded at 6000+ feet underwater.

If thats the case, what an awful way to go.

Edit: although sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 4 days waiting for oxygen to run out is probably worse.


I would take virtually instant death over agonizing in total darkness with 4 other people in a run can waiting for my air to run out. I’m claustrophobic AF so I wouldn’t ever be in that thing but I can not imagine the horror.

Lathum 06-21-2023 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3404851)
I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.


The pressure that deep under the sea is immense. If there was a structural failure with the vessel because of the pressure it would be crushed instantly and everyone on board killed in literally a millisecond. The human body would be liquified.

Swaggs 06-21-2023 01:24 PM

Yeah. This stuff is nightmare fuel. I would take instant death over helplessly sitting in the dark waiting to suffocate.

This image puts into perspective how deep and how much water is between rescuers and the Titanic:

Image link doesn't work, but from this article: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...sub-rescue-spt

GrantDawg 06-21-2023 01:27 PM

This is a company spokesman. You know, the one who made the decision to mock any government regulations and the idea of safety being important. Now this libertarian free thinker is demanding the government save the idiots from themselves.

Qwikshot 06-21-2023 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3404851)
I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.


Think of it as a reverse explosion.

Sweed 06-21-2023 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3404857)
This is a company spokesman. You know, the one who made the decision to mock any government regulations and the idea of safety being important. Now this libertarian free thinker is demanding the government save the idiots from themselves.


Suppose he will count himself among those that "did not do their job"?

stevew 06-21-2023 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3404851)
I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.


Implosion-

think mass volumes of loose styrofoam being pressed into a cube.

RainMaker 06-21-2023 02:12 PM

I hope the company is going to get billed for the immense amount of money that is going into this rescue operation. Can't fathom the government would put these kind of resources for a non-billionaire who likely imploded on a submarine.

JonInMiddleGA 06-21-2023 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3404865)
I hope the company is going to get billed for the immense amount of money that is going into this rescue operation. Can't fathom the government would put these kind of resources for a non-billionaire who likely imploded on a submarine.


It's just taxpayer money, who cares.

RainMaker 06-21-2023 02:23 PM

So is the best hope that they somehow were able to open the inflatables and are waiting on the surface to be rescued before air runs out? Like I just don't see any scenario where these folks aren't dead. And even if they found it deep down in the ocean, it doesn't seem like there is any technology we have that can get them up from that level.

Lathum 06-21-2023 02:52 PM

Because this story needs more weirdness. This kid seems like a real peach.

Titanic Submarine Billionaire's Son Went To Blink-182 Show

cartman 06-21-2023 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3404869)
So is the best hope that they somehow were able to open the inflatables and are waiting on the surface to be rescued before air runs out? Like I just don't see any scenario where these folks aren't dead. And even if they found it deep down in the ocean, it doesn't seem like there is any technology we have that can get them up from that level.


From what I understand, the sub can only be opened from the outside. So even if the sub is bobbing on the surface, they are doomed if they aren't found before the oxygen runs out.

Critch 06-21-2023 05:34 PM

Company behind missing Titan sub allegedly fired a director for raising concerns about the vessel and its potential to expose passengers to ‘extreme danger’

Apparently they were using a porthole certified to 1500m for dives beyond 3000m. What could possibly go wrong there?

Ksyrup 06-21-2023 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3404879)
From what I understand, the sub can only be opened from the outside. So even if the sub is bobbing on the surface, they are doomed if they aren't found before the oxygen runs out.


So the can opener they have on the surface is going to be of no use now?

CrimsonFox 06-21-2023 09:17 PM

they keep hearing banging. which suggests that if it is them, there was no implosion.

how can there be no technology in existence that can detect where the banging is coming from? and why the f*** was there no sonar or other things ON the vessel...



as for your implosion answers, thanks.except for quikshot. Whose answer was completely unhelpful.

So I was thinking more of...if there is a hull breach meaning there's a hole formed in the outer and inner walls, it would just start flooding with water. But you guys seem to be saying that if a hole forms, then the aluminum can is just crushed instantly. the walls and floor and ceiling all just crush together

SirFozzie 06-21-2023 09:20 PM

because water transmits sound very weirdly. you can hear intermittent banging but there's nowhere enough info to get a direction nor a distance beyond vague "maybe that way?"

That's why sonar pings are so powerful, because they have to be to find something and reflect back

It could be that they grounded themselves iin the shelf near the Titanic.

Ksyrup 06-21-2023 09:24 PM

The banging is not them, it's a whale garage band practicing.

CrimsonFox 06-21-2023 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3404911)
The banging is not them, it's a whale garage band practicing.


WHALES DON'T HAVE GARAGES!

JonInMiddleGA 06-21-2023 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3404909)
So I was thinking more of...if there is a hull breach meaning there's a hole formed in the outer and inner walls, it would just start flooding with water. But you guys seem to be saying that if a hole forms, then the aluminum can is just crushed instantly. the walls and floor and ceiling all just crush together


That's basically what (is believed to have happened) to the USS Thresher. The estimate is that the 279 foot nuclear sub ceased to exist in roughly 0.1 seconds.

A 22 foot container with far more questionable construction would fare no better, not against pressure of 6,000 pounds per square inch.


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