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Lathum 05-02-2012 01:21 PM

Junior Seau dead.
 
hearing multiple reports

Subby 05-02-2012 01:22 PM

RT @Deadspin: TMZ reports that Junior Seau has been found dead inside his home: Report: Former NFL Linebacker Junior Seau Found Dead

spleen1015 05-02-2012 01:23 PM

Only seeing TMZ reporting it, but WTF?!

jeff061 05-02-2012 01:23 PM

From NFL offseason thread.

Junior Seau Dead -- Cops Suspect Suicide | TMZ.com

Lathum 05-02-2012 01:23 PM

Report: Shooting At Junior Seau's Oceanside Home - San Diego News Story - KGTV San Diego

stevew 05-02-2012 01:26 PM

RIP as long as he didn't take someone else with him or something.

I really hope that he didn't shoot himself in the head, as I wonder how fucked up his brain really is/was.

panerd 05-02-2012 01:27 PM

Suicide would match with accidently driving off a cliff last year.

jeff061 05-02-2012 01:28 PM

I imagine many head injuries. And frankly, I don't see how you perform at the level he did for as long as he did without some roids/HGH.

I'm not looking to crap on the guy. Just speculating that combo could lead to this tragic end.

spleen1015 05-02-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061 (Post 2650504)
I imagine many head injuries. And frankly, I don't see how you perform at the level he did for as long as he did without some roids/HGH.

I'm not looking to crap on the guy. Just speculating that combo could lead to this tragic end.


I was thinking the same thing, but didn't think I could say it in a good way. :(

Subby 05-02-2012 01:31 PM

Death Is Stalking The 1994 Chargers

Rizon 05-02-2012 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061 (Post 2650504)
I imagine many head injuries. And frankly, I don't see how you perform at the level he did for as long as he did without some roids/HGH.

I'm not looking to crap on the guy. Just speculating that combo could lead to this tragic end.


Yeah, always thought he was on the stuff. Towards the end of his career he seemed like a good candidate for a 5150 breakdown. Sad.

RomaGoth 05-02-2012 01:34 PM

Yep, multiple reports that he was found dead in his home, including Wikipedia. :(

RomaGoth 05-02-2012 01:35 PM

dola

reports are that it was a suicide

PilotMan 05-02-2012 01:37 PM

ugh, this is not what any football fan wants to hear. What a tragedy.

Grover 05-02-2012 01:37 PM

RIP Junior. One of the best linebackers I've had the pleasure of watching.

Subby 05-02-2012 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2650511)
Yep, multiple reports that he was found dead in his home, including Wikipedia. :(

Ummmm...

BYU 14 05-02-2012 01:41 PM

Holy Shit, I don't even want to believe this......One of the last guys you would think of doing this. :(

RIP Junior....

BillJasper 05-02-2012 01:42 PM

RIP Junior.

One of the best linebackers of my generation.

BillJasper 05-02-2012 01:46 PM

Still nothing on NFL Network.

spleen1015 05-02-2012 01:48 PM

Yeah, I am not seeing it on mainstream media yet, NFL Network, ESPN, CNN, etc.

No mentions on ESPN Radio yet.

Easy Mac 05-02-2012 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 2650519)
Holy Shit, I don't even want to believe this......One of the last guys you would think of doing this. :(

RIP Junior....


Really, he tried to do this two years ago.

Chief Rum 05-02-2012 01:50 PM

ESPN hasn't found a way to take credit for reporting it yet. Once they figure that out, they will be all over it.

panerd 05-02-2012 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 2650523)
Yeah, I am not seeing it on mainstream media yet, NFL Network, ESPN, CNN, etc.

No mentions on ESPN Radio yet.


Just like the John Edwards story they can't stand being "out-scooped" by what they consider to be inferior media so instead they will act like it didn't happen.

EDIT: Chief Rum said it even better. Until they make up a way that they "broke" the story.

spleen1015 05-02-2012 01:56 PM

I'm just surprised that it hasn't been mentioned on the radio. Nothing. Even the hourly update didn't mention anything.

How can SVP not mention it and talk about the other stuff instead?

RomaGoth 05-02-2012 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 2650518)
Ummmm...


Is this better?

Reports: Junior Seau commits suicide at home - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

molson 05-02-2012 01:59 PM

I think there's probably a different standard for some outlets when it comes to reporting deaths. You like to be sure. The San Diego news websites just say that there's a bunch of police around Seau's house and that a neighbor told them that the police told him that Seau shot himself. That's what it is, one neighbor, that might not be enough for the mainstream outlets. I'm sure in 10 minutes it will be everywhere.

Edit: TMZ claims "multiple law enforcement sources", which is interesting, as apparently when the big news go down, the cops with loose lips call up TMZ (or they have pre-existing relationships with TMZ).

chadritt 05-02-2012 02:00 PM

Nor should it be. I read "reports" yesterday that Tyler Perry had died in his studios fire. It was likely rooted in one guy nearby saying hed heard it was possible that Tyler Perry was inside.

BYU 14 05-02-2012 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 2650524)
Really, he tried to do this two years ago.


I hadn't read about that other incident until now, just going by what I knew at the time. He always seemed like an upbeat guy in interviews and such.

albionmoonlight 05-02-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2650502)
I really hope that he didn't shoot himself in the head, as I wonder how fucked up his brain really is/was.


TMZ saying gunshot to the chest.

And, yeah, I hope that they are allowed to study his brain.

Pyser 05-02-2012 02:11 PM

tmz is never wrong on this stuff. rip.

molson 05-02-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 2650538)

And, yeah, I hope that they are allowed to study his brain.


I'm sure Chris Nowitzki has already been in touch with the family. And I don't mean that in a negative way, it's kind of a necessary level of haste when you're dealing with human organs. And they're usually glad to facilitate the research when he calls, from what I've read.

Grover 05-02-2012 02:12 PM

He's the 8th memeber of the 1994 Chargers to die before the age of 45.

JediKooter 05-02-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 2650529)
I'm just surprised that it hasn't been mentioned on the radio. Nothing. Even the hourly update didn't mention anything.

How can SVP not mention it and talk about the other stuff instead?


East coast bias.

Subby 05-02-2012 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2650530)

I'll have to verify with WIKIPEDIA and get back to you.

stevew 05-02-2012 02:19 PM

Let me see if Altavista has any of this breaking news.

stevew 05-02-2012 02:19 PM

can't find a link in my hotmail account.

Suicane75 05-02-2012 02:21 PM

Sportsdigs has not reported this yet last month.

Subby 05-02-2012 02:21 PM

SPORTSDIGS BLAH BLAH BLAH

Subby 05-02-2012 02:21 PM

DAMMIT SUICANE

stevew 05-02-2012 02:21 PM

Some guy on usenet said it was true too.

molson 05-02-2012 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2650545)
can't find a link in my hotmail account.


Check your spam folder, hotmail thinks everything is spam.

Toddzilla 05-02-2012 02:23 PM

For what it is worth, we will look back on today as the day pro-football began a long,slow death spiral that will result in the death of the NFL in particular, and football in general.

As has been said many times by people smarter than I, the massive brain-rattling injuries are not the issue, it's the repetitive, concussive, smaller blows to the head that players endure 20-50 times a game that causes the long term brain damage. First, pee-wee leagues and high-schools will cease to exist after the insurance costs get prohibitively high. Once high-school football is gone, the college game will disappear due to the same insurance reasons plus the lack of the high-school talent pipeline. After that, the NFL goes away, or at least becomes this century's boxing or horse racing.

Toddzilla 05-02-2012 02:24 PM

gunshot would to the chest - he knowingly preserved his brain

Crapshoot 05-02-2012 02:24 PM

Football does this to people. The consistent head trauma, even in high school players, screws with the human brain. I am not trying to make a simplistic "football = suicide" argument here, but more raise the point as to how long we're ok with what is basically gladiatorial combat for our age.

Antmeister 05-02-2012 02:24 PM

Wow.......this is just tragic. Ever since he drove off the cliff a while back, I was worried about his state of mind. Never knew what was driving him to think this way. Damn....

bronconick 05-02-2012 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crapshoot (Post 2650554)
Football does this to people. The consistent head trauma, even in high school players, screws with the human brain. I am not trying to make a simplistic "football = suicide" argument here, but more raise the point as to how long we're ok with what is basically gladiatorial combat for our age.


We also had the 2-3 hockey players last year that committed suicide as well. Very troubling.

Marmel 05-02-2012 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 2650551)
For what it is worth, we will look back on today as the day pro-football began a long,slow death spiral that will result in the death of the NFL in particular, and football in general.

As has been said many times by people smarter than I, the massive brain-rattling injuries are not the issue, it's the repetitive, concussive, smaller blows to the head that players endure 20-50 times a game that causes the long term brain damage. First, pee-wee leagues and high-schools will cease to exist after the insurance costs get prohibitively high. Once high-school football is gone, the college game will disappear due to the same insurance reasons plus the lack of the high-school talent pipeline. After that, the NFL goes away, or at least becomes this century's boxing or horse racing.


As crazy as this sounds, I could see something like this happening. As much crap as Goddell takes for trying to clean up the game, he might just be doing what is necessary to maintain the game.

RomaGoth 05-02-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 2650543)
I'll have to verify with WIKIPEDIA and get back to you.


I get that Wiki isn't the most useful source most of the time, but this news is all over the place right now. I was just pointing out one particular location.

Marmel 05-02-2012 02:28 PM

...and who is the person who rushes to wikipedia seconds after any celebrity death to update their page??

stevew 05-02-2012 02:29 PM

I don't necessarily agree with this becoming the defining moment of brain trauma causing the end of pro football. But I agree with the sentiment. I wonder what kind of data might be found if you were able to correlate former HS football players with prison inmates. Especially those who played concussion prone positions like DB, LB, RB and (option)QB.

I won't have a son, but if I did, I would only want him playing one of the line positions.


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