Why is the word "Lynch" a hate crime?
 

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009674606
How is this similar to Imus's Nappy headed Hos comment? The word Lynch does have a defintion, and Nweze must re-educate himself that there are times where the use of word Lynch would be correct.


"lynch Woods in a back alley." is the correct use of the word Lynch, and has nothing to do with Tiger woods being Black.

Def:

It's a crime since Tilghham is white.

i use the word lynch often.

Example:

David Lynch is fucking crazy.

and Woods is black.

I'll bite. Who said the word "Lynch" is a hate crime?

Al Sharpton

Unfortunately, in the history of the United States, lynching of Black men and women occurred frequently. At a minimum, it's an extremely insensitive comment to make, especially in the wake of the noose incidents that have occurred over the past months. Here's a website with some information on lynching. I'm sure there's more. (hxxp://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1979/2/79.02.04.x.html#b)

Being gramatically correct does not make it correct to say. Some will say people are being too sensitive. However, using that term in that context is wrong. She could have made her point by saying the players should tie Woods up and kidnap him. To say he should be lynched conveys an image of hatred and racism.

There's just better ways to say Woods is the best player today and other players need ways beyond golf to stop him.

When you think back in history to what the word lynch means in the black community then yes it is offensive and she should have been suspended. If this was in regards to a Jewish athlete and she had said, they should take him out and gas him, would that be right? It has nothing to do with her being white. It has everything to do with her saying something stupid.

Is there a link that quotes him saying this?

A crime? No. Incredibly stupid? You bet.

I agree that it was inappropriate. I'm just flabbergasted that someone would be stupid enough to say that on air.

Horseshit.

Normally, I'd agree with you, Jon. It would be a big deal in the Black community, but wouldn't get as much media attention. Now, with the Jena, LA incident and the others that followed, I think anyone who makes that remark on air will be singled out for it.

I'm sure all the outlaws who were hung back in the old west will be happy to know that Idiot Al is here to defend their honor.

Ahhh the poor persecuted white folk, always being picked on. You're a smart guy Jon, but if you can't see why what she said is offensive then there is just no more to say.

poor choice of words, but c'mon, this is golf we're talking about. i don't think she was using that as her opportunity to talk about her supposed "racist" views. but it was a bad choice of words. funny thing is, Woods is as far from a black man as you can get. he speaks whiter than a politician and makes more money than most CEOs.

just one of these days, i wish someone in that girl's position would just say "i apologize - but only to Woods. if any one else was offended by my comments - that i didn't intend to be offensive - they should chalk it up to a case of misunderstanding and a result of the perils of speaking on live tv, where there are no 'do-overs'". i'm getting tired of people having to apologize when they make non-threatening or non-blatantly racist comments. you will know when people are making overtly racist comments. trying to lynch someone because they said something live and working without a safety net, that's just grandstanding and asking for an apology just for the sake of it.

but yes, it was a poor choice of words. we're going to get to the point where everyone on tv is a talking mannequin, or a puppet, force fed their lines. i wouldn't be suprised to see robots doing commentary. i would not want to be a commentator or have anything to do with being on tv (talk shows, sports programming, etc). to be in a situation where you constantly have to monitor and filter what you say? we all have free speech, and to have to curb that so as not to "offend" someone, no thanks. not worth it. i'll stick to being home and making all the racist and insentive comments i want in the company of like-minded people. this isn't a good time to be in the public eye.

He's actually only 1/4 black. I wonder if this would be OK if he was 1/8. What's the cutoff when someone is still considered "black"?

Can seriously say that if Tilghham said...

"Phil Mickelson should be lynched"

it would've caused the same uproar? Would Sharpton go running to Phil's aid?

I don't think Jon is saying what she said wasn't offensive - at least I hope he isn't - but I took his comment as his disagreement that the anchor being white had nothing to do with it.

and IMHO, it had everything to do with her being white.

Also, FWIW, Al Sharpton is a gasbag - who f'ing cares what he has to say?

Offensive? Only if someone was desperately looking for something to be offended about. And only a complete idiot would ignore the context of the comment. Unfortunately, Sharpton qualifies on both counts.

Agreed. The fact that she was white has a lot to do with this. If she were black, it'd probably be a non story.

It was a poor choice of words and probably a stupid thing to say.

I don't think it was a "hate crime." And, yes, Al Sharpton is a gassbag. Idiot Al, indeed.

Also, if Tilghham herself were black, would it have brought on this much attention?

The irony here, of course, is that virtually no one on earth would have been aware of the remark at all except for the whining. She's on the friggin' Golf Channel for cryin' out loud, roughly the same number of viewers as QVC at 4 am.

Well yes, Sharpton is a gas bag, no doubt about that. I guess in the truest sense yes it is a big deal because she is white...but it WAS white people lynching black people in the past.

Hmmm, that's funny, Woods is far from being a Black man because he's articulate and makes a lot of money? Michael Jordan does the same. Is he far from a Black man? How about Senator Obama?

As for the rest, yes, it's a poor choice of words. However, to say people shouldn't be offended is pretty self-centered. Just because you don't understand it doesn't invalidate others views. And yes, there's free speech, but with that comes the right for peeple to not like what's said and respond.

The number of people that hear the comment when it was made has no bearing on how stupid it was to say it.

People LOVE to get fired up about stuff like this. You can almost hear the glee in their voices.

She should have just used a different word. But unless someone can show there's some kind of background of racism here, who the hell cares? What do people want now, to take her out back and shoot her?

LOL, I think Tiger Woods should be mad as hell. Afterall, she was calling him a Horse Thief, and we all know there is nothing lower than a Horse Thief!

She chose the wrong word to use and I don't think she meant anything at all by it, and to want her fired for it is too much. She has apologized for it and it should be left at that. But it was a stupid thing to say and while Al and his crew do love to blow things like this up more than it should be, if someone out there WAS honestly offended and upset by what she said that is their right.

I can guaranfuckingtee you that more white people were lynched in the USA then black people. Since it was common practice in in the Wild West.

I still don't understand why it was so stupid to say the word lynch. The definition of the word doesn't involve the race of the victim. Should she have said crucify perhaps? Since crucifixion wasn't very popular in American history, would that have been alright to say? What about flog to death? Some mention of yardarms, perhaps? Is there a word or phrase that is better than the alternatives to get her meant-as-a-joke meaning across? If you're talking about a mob (or group) of people taking someone out and eliminating him, can you use a more appropriate word than "lynch"?

That's it, no joking on TV. Think of the children!

I can guaranfuckingtee you that no one was lynched in the US for just being white.

This thread exposes the need for a better education system in the United States.

No, the definition of the word doesn't involve race, but the meaning of the word can, and, apparently, does for some folks.

A better word would have been "mug" maybe? Or "jump"? "Take him out"?

The more you beat kids over the head with stuff long past the point it's necessary, the more backlash there will be once they can think for themselves. (I don't think my school taught ANY history except the holocaust from grade 6-8. Apparently, nothing else ever happened in the world. By the end of it, no one cared anymore)

Everyone "gets it". Everyone knows about lynching and it's role in US history. Not all of us agree in this constant villianization of people who mispeak. It's tiring.

Probably not...you also had to be a Republican. Or a Tory...or seen as a Tory sympathizer....

Luckily, whenever we say "lynch" in the werewolf forum, it doesn't count. Turns out, all this time, SkyDog was just covering our asses on that one.

I wonder if John Lynch ever feels uncomfortable in the Broncos' locker room.

Why can't you just say, "mug", or jump", or "Take him out". Surely, more people play WW than watch the golf network.

Actually I don't believe that. But it's unfortunate that because of idiots in the past the entire white public has to be blamed. I wasn't there I didn't do it and I feel no guilt for what people did in history.

Or sanction. Worked for me.

I'm sure if the ratio of a certain race to whites that "mug" people is higher then someone would find offense to that as well...:(

Who says she didn't try? She apologised. She mispoke. If she says it again next week maybe it's worthy of a thread.

The list of "banned" words grows every year - sometimes it's difficult to keep track.

They're just words for gods sake - all these kind of discussions do is add more hate and bigotry throughout the English language. It's getting easier and easier to be offensive if that's what one WANTS to do, because they have a huge vocabulary now to utilize. But this lady clearly didn't mean ANYTHING by her comment.

Please provide a list for insensitive words or groups of words, I'll get right on passing that list out to the entire US public, all 260+ million of them. Please make sure you include all regional references that could also be considered insensitive as well as those that may be only insensitive to one person.

Thanks.

How come no one has ever been suspend for saying " he abused him on that play"

I think domestic violence is a far bigger issue in this country then some people who got hanged centuries ago.

At least the commentator didn't say something about the rest of the pros taking Tiger out for fried chicken and collar'd greens, and then lynching him in the back alley.

;)


Really poor choice of words by the commentator however. Especially since there were so many other words that would have worked.

If she had just said "they should dismember Tiger Woods" instead of lynch none of this would have happened. Hope she's learned something.

That's not really what I meant. I think that if people respected each other more and respected the fact that we not just came from different pasts and different paths to get here; but that we're in the same boat now and need to make it flat or we'll sink collectively, would be a lot better.

But between the diversity police, the people who want to act like nothing in the past and that it "doesn't matter anymore" and the folks who are bitter and want people to redress the "effects" of the past by "giving them" something there is more than enough blame and silliness to go around.

I don't think schools would fix it, to be honest. But the one thing I was saying that if people were taught a more complete version of history, these sorts of things wouldn't come up, because they're understand and appreciate the facts behind it.

But the problem with that is that not everyone knows what YOU consider offensive. Would I use the word lynch? Probably not, but it's not because I would think someone would consider it offensive, it just wouldn't be my choice of word, it's not a normal word in my vocabulary.

You mean like Sharpton raising hell about this when even Woods himself wasn't bothered by it?