July console sales numbers, Volume 2........
 

Console sales numbers for the United States as reported by NPD...

Wii - 425,000
DS - 405,000
PS2 - 222,000
PSP - 214,000
360 - 170,000
PS3 - 159,000
GBA - 87,000

More news out of Leipzig.......

Haze is no longer a timed console exclusive. It will now be released solely on the PS3 and PC with no 360 version planned. (I'd post the article, but it's in German.)

Also, here's the combined July sales numbers for the U.S. and Japan (Europe numbers not out yet).........

Sony response to North American sales numbers......

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/0...efeats-truman/

Bioware responds to display problem complaints from 360 owners that play on SDTV's.

I am one of the 170,000 XBOX360s!!

I'm one of the 13,000 in Canada.

i don't believe those DS and PS2 numbers are accurate. there is no way that many people are still buying a console that is over a decade old. what kid is asking for a PS2 - they want the latest and greatest.

The DS numbers are probably accurate. That thing flies off the shelves, especially in certain colors. Someday you will have a little HA and will learn the joy of Pokemon.

Hell, they're still selling 87,000 GBA's. That's some serious sales for a system that's been replaced by an even more popular DS system.

Sure, nobody's buying a PS2 for their teenager. Hell, those kids probably already have PS2. Maybe a parent will buy one for a 6-year-old kid or something, though. The parent sees a PS2 for $150 or whatever it costs and this metric buttload of games at $20 apiece. On top of that, not only does the kid have games to play, but the parent will probably find some cheap games to play on it, too.

For anyone who finally wants to get into playing video games, the PS2 is a perfect place to start if they're on a budget. Even if someone can afford to spend hundreds of dollars on a next-gen console, many Wii games are $50, and new 360/PS3 games are generally $60. I'd think that a lot of people want to build up a library of cheaper games that'll provide just as much entertainment.

I can't speak for the 200k+ people who bought a PS2 in August or July or whenever this was, but if my wife didn't already have a PS2, I probably would've bought one within the past few months, just because there are so many games out there.

We've just never seen anything like the PS2 before. Games are still coming out for it, and I hear that they're really good games, too. If somebody loves video games and can afford to put money toward that hobby, is there any reason not to have a PS2 in your home at this point?

Dola

Yeah, it's the GBA sales that I really don't understand. Why are people still buying them? I have a good friend who programs homebrew stuff for the GBA, but there aren't that many people out there who want it for that purpose.

There are thousands of GBA titles, it's really no suprise how many units still sell. I believe the new Micro one is around 50-60 bucks, for parents who want to get their kids something cheap, it's great. Of course the DS is a ton better, but not everyone wants to drop 130 bucks so their kids can play some games.

A lot of parents are very uninformed too. I recall a conversation between a mom and kid at EB once going something like this:

Kid: "But mom, if I get this one (DS) I can play Mario (some GBA game he was holding) and these other games too (referring to DS games)."

Mom: "That one costs more money. You can play your Mario game on this one (GBA), so you're getting this one."

425k Wii's sold this past month and I STILL can't find one on my store shelves?
Glad I've had my pink DSL for awhile. ;)

Next console purchases will likely be a PS3 and a PSP2000. Probably the latter first, there need to be some games worth playing on the PS3 for me to buy that.

/tk

I work with lots of poor families that can't afford a PS3/360/Wii who have told me that they are buying/have bought a PS2 this year.

Also, I see plenty of people at work whose "fat" PS2's have either given up the ghost, or have one or two fingers still holding on. They come in looking at a PS3, see the $499 price tag, look at the slim PS2 at $129 and go "Y'know...that'll tide us over for a couple years."

Happens every day.

I've STILL got my 'fat' PS2 from the release day. Just keeps running. I use it for GH games right now.

My release model died after 3 years. I'm on my 3rd one (bought earlier this year.) I'm sure that accounts for some of the PS2 sales as well.

My fat PS2 still works fine, too. Got it a couple of months after release. I play GT3 on it from time to time.

My release day fat PS2 still works fine too...

Mine conked out in early 2002, but the fat I got in January '02 is still workin' like a champ. And, yeah, I use it mostly for Guitar Hero and Disgaea.

You know, though, speaking of Disgaea, I think I finally played a PSP game I'd *like* to see ported to the PS2 last night. Jeanne d'Arc. It's sort of a manga-style reimagining of the Hundred Years' War. turn-based Strategy/RPG, but with a time component - you have a fixed number of turns each battle to achieve victory.

I mean, I'd like to see the port mainly for volume reasons. The manga part of the game isn't subtitled, and the volume can only go so high on the PSP, so I feel like I'm missing part of the story when I play.

Count me in on release fatty PS2's that are still running strong.

Ditto.

/tk

Mine's been going since February '02 as well. I'm one that would probably replace it instead of looking at a 360 or PS3.

My release PS2 would freeze during the GoW cutscenes, so I bought a new silver one and traded the fat into EB.

I wanted to bring this fun conversation over to this thread because the July thread is dead...

Mizzou said this:


About this quote:


I think my definition of "complimenting it quite extensively" is different than yours. Especially when these are your other posts about it:












So we're talking about the best reviewed game in recent memory (maybe ever) and your only comments about it have been either:

• This game is being reviewed way too early (aka-don't believe the hype).
• This is TOTALLY coming out on the PS3! (no need to buy a 360 to play it)
• Widesreen is nerfed.

I am now convinced that you are a paid Sony messageboard marketer.

BioWare?

Methinks somebody's a wee bit confused there.

Bioshock is many things, but an RPG ain't one of 'em.

Whatchoo talkin bout Willis?

BioWare isn't the maker of BioShock.. BioWare is, on the other hand, makers of Mass Effect, a highly anticipated title coming this fall if I'm not completely mistaken without checking my notes.

Actually I disagree with this wholeheartedly, DS's are really popular with kids and indeed a fair few adults.

The PS-2 is still very much in demand for kids, my kids (13, 8, 4 years old) would prefer me to get him a PS-2 rather than a PS-3 simply because they doesn't like many of the next gen console games (that goes for a 360 also incidentally).

This is I'd expect often the case, factor in that kids can get a lot more games for their pocket money with a PS-2 and you'll see why they're still popular choices imho ...

*I've been trying to persuade myself to get another 360 since I emigrated but apart from the LiveArcade stuff there is only one game which truly appealed to me on the platform ... and I got Overlord on PC ...

Gotta run so I can't elaborate, but look at your final Mizzou quote, then read Coder's (accurate) post. That should clear it up.

It was Mizzou BB Fan who referred to it as a Bioware title in one of the quotes of his that you posted. Also, I agree with your conclusion.

That would be a great assumption if anything you just said in the above quote were what I said.

My comments on being reviewed early were not Bioshock specific. I specifically went out of my way to state that I wasn't implying that the Bioshock review was inaccurate in any way, only that the review of games far before release was a troubling trend, which several people agreed with.

I never stated that people should not buy a 360. I'm not sure why being excited about a game coming out on all systems now qualifies as a knock on the 360. All PS3 owners would love to have Bioshock right now, but that's not happening. With that said, I'm not sure why there's such angst toward PS3 owners being excited to get it in a few months.

I posted the situation about Bioshock's widescreen issue because I know there are some people on this forum that have a 360 on a SDTV. I fail to see how letting them know about the situation is a problem. I'm personally glad that people posted information about the slow frame rates in the EA Sports games because it saved me from the possibility of purchasing an inferior game. You can be sure that I didn't bitch that they were Microsoft paid marketers.

I suppose that posting the comments from the SCEA president this morning with his weak response about the sales figures was another shameless Sony promotion. You don't have to like the stuff I post. If you see stuff that causes concerns or gives information about Sony or MS products, you should post it as well. It adds to the discussion.

Yes, I obviously mismatched companies. My mistake.

All in all, there has been nothing wrong with the individual items that you have posted about Bioshock. It's just the one-sidedness of it all. You can point to a post here or there where you don't bash the 360 or its games, but they're the .01% of your posts about the console war. It's just so transparent that it's hysterical. I honestly think you're a paid shill.

Ah. Gotcha. I never noticed that.

This is why I pretty much quit reading these threads about a month ago. Mizzou's posts are predictable and people seem to bite at each one of them. The threads went from decent discussion to an endless cylce of fanboyisms and contradictions.

Yeah. I am in the market for a new console, so I'm interested in the news, but he's turned me off the PS3 pretty much single-handedly.

Hey I just bought my PS2 a month or two ago.

I'll buy a WII, probably within the next year, but I'm simply not going to throw down serious cash for a game console any time soon. The PS2 numbers show that I'm not alone.

I was in line at Best Buy the other night, and the guy in front of me plunked down a thousand dollars on a PS3 and some games. He then loaded his wife and two young kids into a faded 15 year old Buick, and drove home. My reaction "What the hell is he thinking throwing down a grand on a video console? He has clearly got better things he could be spending his money on" I'm in reasonably good financial position, but no way I can justify that kind of expense.

LOL......if you seriously had your decision changed by a guy posting a bunch of news/discussion about consoles, you seriously need to reevaluate your decision-making processes. I can honestly say that I enjoy reading all of the point/counterpoints, but making that kind of a decision based on this kind of a thread is borderline nutty.

The only decisions I would use this thread for are game decisions where you find out there are major glitches in a game.

Very interesting that you didn't say a thing about the fact that I've posted a lot of things that were just as critical of Sony, their PR and some of their games. Your criticisms are just as transparently biased. If you're going to make a tally list, at least do it well.

Methinks Sony would toss my ass to the curb because I'm the worst paid shill ever given the criticism I've handed out against them. I don't think either side is doing a very good job right now over. MS should have put a dagger in this console war already given Sony's slow start. Sony had one of the worst console launches since Neo-Geo (and that's saying something). It's a Dumb and Dumber war.

Seriously?

Well, thanks for the advice, but I can use whatever I want in my buying decisions. One of my main turn-offs toward Sony is their marketing strategy - which up until this point has included lies, lies, and more lies from official Sony executives, fake blogs, offensive YouTube videos, dead goat carcasses, and I suspect, paid messageboard fanbois.

My continued loss of respect for Sony has definitely contributed to my decision-making process.

Really? I use this board for a lot of things and one of them is getting advice from everyone regarding the advantages and disadvantages of certain products. All input helps.

It almost sounds like you doth protest too much regarding Kwhit's assertion about you being a paid fanboi. Just an observation.

Oh, c'mon. As much as I know you guys love hitting the Mizzou BB Fan pinata, this is just borderline stupid. Before KWhit clarified his statement, claiming that "I base my buying decisions on the fact that I don't like one person on a message board" is just ludicrous.

SI

It's an assertion (at least the Sony fanboy part of it) that a lot of people here have made. And every time they do, he comes back with the same "but I've been critical of Sony too!" response. He doesn't get that we are not buying his act. He posts the occasional bad thing about Sony or the occasional good thing about Microsoft to try and appear unbiased, but 9 times out of 10, his posts easily fall under "good spin for Sony" and/or "bad spin for MS".

He hasn't single-handedly made it so that I don't want a PS3 (I will once it has some good games), but he has single-handedly made it pretty much impossible to discuss consoles on this forum.

I stopped buying Sterling Ice Cream products because I hate you, so it does happen. :p

:(

(wait, there's such a thing as "Sterling Ice Cream"?)

SI

VOTE MIZZOU B-BALL FAN

Sorry, I'm staying out of these threads now but couldn't resist. :)

Agreed, If a person on a messageboard is going to prevent you from using a product you're going to live a helluva sheltered life cause if you think Mizzou is bad, there are thousands of forums out there with millions of people who are much worse.

As much as everyone would like to blame one person, these threads are train-wrecks because everyone cries they're unbiased while making completely biased statements (or enough statements about a particular side that it's obvious they're biased).

A company called Sterling makes ice cream stuff, like freezers. Or at least used to. Dunno if they are still around.

Found this on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23627728@N00/170215546/