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DanGarion 10-28-2009 11:44 AM

Official 2009-2010 MLB Offseason Thread
 
No one West of the Mississippi will be watching the World Series so let's talk off season baseball! Well since the season is over for anyone not in Philly or NY, it's offseason time!

Dodgers have retained Colletti and Ng, so that takes care of the management, of course our CEO was fired... But that's another story.

tucker rocky 10-28-2009 12:22 PM

Brad Mills -new Astros mgr.
Manny Acta -new Indians mgr.

DaddyTorgo 10-28-2009 12:38 PM

no one east of the mississippi will be watching either (with the exception of the Philly/NY corridor). Baseball's done for the year...on to the offseason and other sports.

Logan 10-28-2009 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion (Post 2155435)
No one West of the Mississippi will be watching the World Series so let's talk off season baseball! Well since the season is over for anyone not in Philly or NY, it's offseason time!


Ha...couldn't decide on which hook to use, so you went with both? :)

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2155467)
no one east of the mississippi will be watching either (with the exception of the Philly/NY corridor).


I just don't get this though. Would people really not watch just because it's isolated to a 100-mile stretch of the country? This is a great matchup and I don't see how any other option would be more entertaining.

DanGarion 10-28-2009 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan (Post 2155479)
Ha...couldn't decide on which hook to use, so you went with both? :)


Hah, yeah and by the time I noticed I needed to fix it I just said screw it.

DanGarion 10-28-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan (Post 2155479)
Ha...couldn't decide on which hook to use, so you went with both? :)



I just don't get this though. Would people really not watch just because it's isolated to a 100-mile stretch of the country? This is a great matchup and I don't see how any other option would be more entertaining.


I just don't find much interest in either team. Not really any players I like on either of them as well, just nothing compels me to watch.

ISiddiqui 10-28-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan (Post 2155479)
I just don't get this though. Would people really not watch just because it's isolated to a 100-mile stretch of the country? This is a great matchup and I don't see how any other option would be more entertaining.


Not just that, but its the defending champions vs. the Yankees. Ratings bonanza here. I mean this isn't Dodgers vs. Angels or anything...

Logan 10-28-2009 01:17 PM

Fair enough, but I think you're selling the Phillies short. As a Met fan, I might not like them collectively but on an individual level a lot of those guys are just awesome to watch.

You'd really rather see Andre Ethier and James Loney than Chase Utley and Ryan Howard?

Mr. Sparkle 10-28-2009 01:33 PM

The Giants will do something stupid, and I will be aggravated.

RomaGoth 10-28-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle (Post 2155527)
The Giants will do something stupid, and I will be aggravated.


Bonds says he can still play. :D

Logan 10-28-2009 01:46 PM

Back on topic...no idea what the Mets will do. Supposedly they're ready to spend again. Having everyone come in healthy and having David Wright locate his power would be good first steps.

MikeVic 10-28-2009 01:50 PM

No idea what the Jays will do, but probably nothing good.

DanGarion 10-28-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan (Post 2155511)
Fair enough, but I think you're selling the Phillies short. As a Met fan, I might not like them collectively but on an individual level a lot of those guys are just awesome to watch.

You'd really rather see Andre Ethier and James Loney than Chase Utley and Ryan Howard?


I'd rather see Matt Kemp and Either then Utley and Howard, even though I can respect Utley and Howard because I do like them, but they aren't on my list of favorite players to watch.

Philliesfan980 10-28-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan (Post 2155479)
Ha...couldn't decide on which hook to use, so you went with both? :)



I just don't get this though. Would people really not watch just because it's isolated to a 100-mile stretch of the country? This is a great matchup and I don't see how any other option would be more entertaining.


It's mainly just sour grapes by Boston and LA fans. I totally understand though, if the Phillies lost in the NLCS, I probably wouldn't have much interest in the series just because I was too stubborn and hurt to watch.

Very similar situation to when the Eagles lost to the Cards in the NFC championship game. I had 0 interest in the Super Bowl, but if the Eagles didn't make the playoffs at all, I'd probably would have had a lot more interest in the game.

DanGarion 10-28-2009 02:03 PM

Anyway, I'd really like to see the Dodgers do nothing, since I thought we had the team to win it all this year. But I would like to see some SP depth, I don't think Padilla is then answer.

JonInMiddleGA 10-28-2009 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion (Post 2155544)
I'd rather see Matt Kemp and Either then Utley and Howard, even though I can respect Utley and Howard because I do like them, but they aren't on my list of favorite players to watch.


+1

Philliesfan980 10-28-2009 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion (Post 2155546)
Anyway, I'd really like to see the Dodgers do nothing, since I thought we had the team to win it all this year. But I would like to see some SP depth, I don't think Padilla is then answer.


As a Phillies fan, I can say with certainty that Padilla is not the answer. He's fooled us many times with 5-10 game stretches like he did for you guys, but then he'll go in the tank, act surly, generally be a horrible teammate.

I'd personally let him go - he'll goat someone into giving him 7-8M a year.

JonInMiddleGA 10-28-2009 02:13 PM

Braves are reportedly discussing a 3 yr deal w/ Hudson, with a hometown discount on the price.

RedKingGold 10-28-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Philliesfan980 (Post 2155549)
As a Phillies fan, I can say with certainty that Padilla is not the answer. He's fooled us many times with 5-10 game stretches like he did for you guys, but then he'll go in the tank, act surly, generally be a horrible teammate.

I'd personally let him go - he'll goat someone into giving him 7-8M a year.


Yes, yes. Wasn't too long ago that Padilla, Randy Wolf, and Brett Myers were our future Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz.

Funny looking back at that.

Philliesfan980 10-28-2009 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2155551)
Braves are reportedly discussing a 3 yr deal w/ Hudson, with a hometown discount on the price.


That would be a good deal for you guys. A consumate professional who always puts up around a sub 4 ERA and is a good teammate.

Crapshoot 10-28-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle (Post 2155527)
The Giants will do something stupid, and I will be aggravated.


This is an off-season prediction? I call it an every day prediction with the Brian "pornstache" Bochy.

RomaGoth 10-28-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic (Post 2155539)
No idea what the Jays will do, but probably nothing good.


They already did something good when they fired the GM.

JS19 10-28-2009 02:56 PM

What's the word on Lackey? I'm fairly certain I remember hearing he would be asking for Burnett type money, possibly more. I think I heard it on a sports radio talk show, and the fact that the season isn't even over yet, I'm sure it's far too early to tell. But, like Logan said, rumor has it the Mets are willing to spend, and I would assume they would look his way. For whatever reason I just never got on the whole "Lackey is an ace" bus, but the guy has posted some pretty solid numbers the past few seasons, should be interesting. Not sure if this belongs in this thread, but Wilpon apparently made a profit of 48M, contrary to reports he lost a shit ton of money. I also heard he is being sued over this, so I wonder if this whole Madoff scandal will be a factor in the Mets spending plan.

Big Fo 10-28-2009 02:58 PM

I don't get the sentiment in the OP. I'd watch the World Series even if two dull West coast teams were playing. It's the World Series.

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2155551)
Braves are reportedly discussing a 3 yr deal w/ Hudson, with a hometown discount on the price.


It better be a hefty discount. Get someone that can hit homeruns ffs.

RomaGoth 10-28-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JS19 (Post 2155577)
What's the word on Lackey? I'm fairly certain I remember hearing he would be asking for Burnett type money, possibly more. I think I heard it on a sports radio talk show, and the fact that the season isn't even over yet, I'm sure it's far too early to tell. But, like Logan said, rumor has it the Mets are willing to spend, and I would assume they would look his way. For whatever reason I just never got on the whole "Lackey is an ace" bus, but the guy has posted some pretty solid numbers the past few seasons, should be interesting. Not sure if this belongs in this thread, but Wilpon apparently made a profit of 48M, contrary to reports he lost a shit ton of money. I also heard he is being sued over this, so I wonder if this whole Madoff scandal will be a factor in the Mets spending plan.


Lackey is a solid #2, and he has admitted as much. With that being said, I would be surprised if he goes anywhere besides back to the Angels. He is a west coast guy and has no interest in moving east.

CR, can you validate this? I am just going on what I have heard from various sources.

Logan 10-28-2009 03:07 PM

Not exactly true. The court documents said that the Mets Partnership (or whatever it's legally called) made a $48 million profit at some point. That money could have been redeemed years ago for all we know. It's believed that the Wilpons had a lot of their family money invested with Madoff. It would be very curious if they were able to pull out their sole investment right before he went bust, and he would deserve to be sued. I think the current lawsuit is pretty standard.

Mr. Sparkle 10-28-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot (Post 2155560)
This is an off-season prediction? I call it an every day prediction with the Brian "pornstache" Bochy.


This is a regular season prediction that has migrated to the offseason thread.

Ronnie Dobbs2 10-28-2009 03:10 PM

I'm probably as excited for this world series as any I can't remember that the Sox weren't in. I'm a fan of baseball, I always watch the World Series.

DanGarion 11-05-2009 05:01 PM

The offseason is officially upon us!

DanGarion 11-05-2009 05:02 PM

Angels resigned Abreu for 2 years.

JetsIn06 11-05-2009 05:23 PM

Rays pick up the $4M option (Might have to check my facts on that figure) on 2B Iwamura and send him to Pittsburgh for reliever Jesse Chavez.

I like the deal simply for the fact that it gets rid of some payroll and they also don't have to buy him out. It allows them to have a three-man platoon of Ben Zobrist, Matt Joyce, and Sean Rodriguez at 2B/RF.

I don't know much about Chavez other than the fact that he throws pretty hard (averages 94 MPH, tops at 96-97 I believe), but the Rays definitely need some bullpen help.

JetsIn06 11-05-2009 05:25 PM

Red sox get Jeremy Hermida from the Marlins for two minor league pitchers, Hunter Jones and Jose Alverez.

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stevew 11-05-2009 05:47 PM

Chavez is okay. He throws hard. But doesn't strike out enough guys. I think he is reasonably effective vs lefties. You could do a lot worse than having him as your 5th or 6th best BP guy.

Iwramura is now our highest paid player.

Coffee Warlord 11-05-2009 05:55 PM

Attention GM's: Milton Bradley is on the market! Take him! Please!

JPhillips 11-05-2009 06:08 PM

Willy Tavares is looking to bounce back in a big way. The right GM might be getting a .300 hitter, with a .380 OPB who will steal 100 bases while playing GG centerfield. You pay his salary, you can have him!

lungs 11-05-2009 06:19 PM

So who wants JJ Hardy and what kind of pitching could he net? (value is obviously down)

JPhillips 11-05-2009 06:21 PM

You want CoCo Cordero back?

Swaggs 11-05-2009 06:25 PM

Hermida is a good pick up. At worst, he is a solid corner OF reserve with a good bat. At his age, he could still turn into an above average starter. I would have liked to see the Pirates add his bat.

Vince, Pt. II 11-05-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2162078)
Attention GM's: Milton Bradley is on the market! Take him! Please!


Bradley for Rowand, straight up.

lungs 11-05-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2162091)
You want CoCo Cordero back?


Nope, we re-signed Trevor Hoffman already.... Need starters. A couple names I've heard are Glen Perkins from Minnesota and Brandon Morrow from Seattle. Perkins doesn't excite me all that much, but then again I can't see too many teams getting excited over Hardy after the year he had.

I'd take Morrow in a heartbeat for Hardy whch tells me that perhaps the Mariners would want more.

RedKingGold 11-05-2009 06:42 PM

Looks like another firesale in Marlin-land. Thanks for the new stadium!

Chief Rum 11-05-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2155581)
two dull West coast teams


No such thing

lungs 11-05-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold (Post 2162107)
Looks like another firesale in Marlin-land. Thanks for the new stadium!

I wouldn't call trading Hermida a fire sale. Now if it was Hanley Ramirez and/or Josh Johnson.....

JPhillips 11-05-2009 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs (Post 2162098)
Nope, we re-signed Trevor Hoffman already.... Need starters. A couple names I've heard are Glen Perkins from Minnesota and Brandon Morrow from Seattle. Perkins doesn't excite me all that much, but then again I can't see too many teams getting excited over Hardy after the year he had.

I'd take Morrow in a heartbeat for Hardy whch tells me that perhaps the Mariners would want more.


I'd give you Arroyo for Hardy.

DeToxRox 11-05-2009 06:50 PM

Seems like the Tigers are showing a lot more interest in international FA's then ever before, but that doesn't mean it'll translate to signing them.

Otherwise I am not sure what they'll end up doing.

lungs 11-05-2009 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2162114)
I'd give you Arroyo for Hardy.


I wouldn't complain about that deal.

Chief Rum 11-05-2009 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2155587)
Lackey is a solid #2, and he has admitted as much. With that being said, I would be surprised if he goes anywhere besides back to the Angels. He is a west coast guy and has no interest in moving east.

CR, can you validate this? I am just going on what I have heard from various sources.


Oops, sorry, Romagoth, I was avoiding this thread until the World Series was over.

I describe Lackey as a high #2. He can be considered a #1, as he has been here in Anaheim, but I have never felt he really had the pitch to pitch dominance to be a true #1 a la a Sabathia, Greinke, Lincecum, etc. Also, he gets too emotional, and not in the "channel your anger into dominance" sorta way, but more the "blind rage I can't throw a bleeping strike to Jeter" sorta way.

I have never actually heard how Lackey describes himself, although he is generally self-effacing to the media (when he isn't riled up) and wouldn't say he's a #1, no matter what he actually thought. He's a "just one of the guys" sorta guy.

He has stated he is looking for a Burnett style contract, and I actually don't expect a hometown discount. He'll go to the highest bidder, is my guess.

He is actually not a coast guy (either coast), period. He's all Texas. Always made a big deal about idolizing Nolan Ryan. If anyone gets a discount, it will be the Rangers, but they'll still have to be in the ballpark of the other offers. If all offers are close and there is no Ranger offer of note, I think Lackey will go back to the Angels. But my guess is that the Angels will set a ceiling, and it will be a good few million short of what Boston or the Mets might be inclined to give him.

My prediction is, in April, Lackey will be an overpaid starter for one of the bigger money clubs (Top 5-7), but most fans of those clubs won't mind, because he won't be #1 and he will produce.

Chief Rum 11-05-2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion (Post 2162045)
Angels resigned Abreu for 2 years.


Hmm...not too often I get big Angels news from this board first. In fact, usually I am breaking it.

Fantastic. I was hoping we would bring him back and not let him hit free agency. About the length of the deal I thought was good, too. I still have to see what he signed for, but my guess is between $9-10 M per.

Chief Rum 11-05-2009 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06 (Post 2162060)
Rays pick up the $4M option (Might have to check my facts on that figure) on 2B Iwamura and send him to Pittsburgh for reliever Jesse Chavez.

I like the deal simply for the fact that it gets rid of some payroll and they also don't have to buy him out. It allows them to have a three-man platoon of Ben Zobrist, Matt Joyce, and Sean Rodriguez at 2B/RF.

I don't know much about Chavez other than the fact that he throws pretty hard (averages 94 MPH, tops at 96-97 I believe), but the Rays definitely need some bullpen help.


Hey Jets, you have any idea why the Rays didn't call Rodriguez up in September? I was pretty surprised he wasn't with the big squad for the final month. Not that he would play everyday (the Rays were still in contention, after all), but he's ready for the bigs and I would think they would want to know just what they got in him.

I am looking forward to seeing how he does.

stevew 11-05-2009 07:01 PM

Hopefully Matt Capps gets traded. I wouldn't mind seeing Ankiel get signed to play right field either. I would assume we trade a catcher as well.

The 2010 pirates will invariably suck. But hopefully will get closer to .500.

No return of Jack Wilson either plz k thx.


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