Submarine exploring the titanic goes missing
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...sing-rcna90032

Lost communication and hour and 45 minutes in to expedition. Doesn't look great

A @USCG C-130 crew is searching for an overdue Canadian research submarine approximately 900 miles off #CapeCod.

For more info and inquiries, please email [email protected]

— USCGNortheast (@USCGNortheast) June 19, 2023

When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
"Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
At seven PM, a main hatchway caved in, he said
"Fellas, it's been good to know ya"

This is interesting

This is the company's video that promotes the experience.

https://youtu.be/Wi60tvRwRlE

Part of the deal is that you're trained and get some kind of job. You spend 8 days overall on the surface ship, and then go down to the Titanic a couple of times, which takes a few hours. And the tourists "may assist the pilot with coms and tracking" (but it sounds like they mostly take pointless notes). Hopefully some dummy customer didn't screw anything up. Seems like a plot of a Pauly Shore movie.

Also, some guy posted this on the Titanic subreddit 3 months ago about these missions:

"Those 'submarines' that they use during the Oceangate Expeditions aren't legally certified to carry passengers. In order to even get in one you have to sign a waiver acknowledging that they don't get even close to meeting a safety code for deep sea submersibles. They are pieced together from makeshift, largely off the shelf parts and are piloted by a Nintendo Gamecube controller (im not even kidding. look it up)."

This is one of those crazy news stories it's easy to go down rabbit holes about. A couple of other interesting little tidbits: The vessel they go down in is bolted from the outside and there's no way to get out without outside help. So even if it managed to re-surface somewhere, they'd have to be found to not suffocate to death - and it would be hard to find them because the vessel is white with blue decals. But most of the smart people talking about this think it's most likely that there was some kind of structural damage, which would have caused the vessel to implode and crumple instantly like a soda can from the ocean pressure and sink to the bottom.

I saw another video of a guy describing the experience - I would not be interested if I had the money. You're in a tin can the size of a minivan for about 8 hours, just sitting against the wall, 5 people. They can only shit and piss in a ziplock bag. There's a "pilot" but he has no idea where he is, he relies on short text messages sent from the surface ship that stay stuff like, "turn right for 10 minutes, then go straight". And there's one tiny portal window you can look out and maybe get a glimpse, one at at a time, at some Titanic wreckage.

That's scary shit molson. :(

I can't even fathom (no pun intended) how those expeditions don't have a million cameras inside and out with people on the boat constantly monitoring them! I was confused at the part where it said it was a tourist submarine yet there were five CREW members. So what you're saying is they just call the tourists "Crew". It's good that they are actually training them before they go. But that makes it make sense they called them that when it's not really true. That billionaire was a tourist. Other than that I wonder how many others were.

Ya, I saw a tidbit about that - there is a guy from the U.S. Coast Guard who is running the search operation. He said that there was one pilot on board, “And there were four mission specialists, is the term that the operator uses. You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.” (those are the tourists). And apparently from the tone he wasn't impressed.

But, it's not like these people didn't know what they were getting into. This is the only currently-existing manned vessel that can go down there. It all sounds crazy now, but, that's part of the adventure of it. They were specifically informed and waived liability about every possible thing that could go wrong, and there was a lot.

It's at the bottom of the freakin ocean! It's not finding Nemo!

I love going on adventures. I also love to always get to do one more after.

This whole operation seems insane.

Y’all please watch this. It’s a CBS story that aired a while back about that submarine that is now missing. The creators of that missing submarine are DEEPLY unserious. pic.twitter.com/B6JriITyZj

— Marie, MSN, APRN, FNP-C (@FnpMarieOH) June 19, 2023

Watched some guy saying that the sub has 7 failsafes to get the sub back to the surface including one that said it will automatically go to the surface after 24 hours.

It is unclear/speculation as to when that 24 hours would start and when it's up. something something 24 hours after it receives no prders or something.

The coast guard is sending all kinds of shit there. I wonder if all this would get this press and searches if a billionaire wasn't on board

What to know about the missing vessel, 'Titan'
The U.S. Coast Guard is searching for the missing research submersible that disappeared Sunday.
The wreckage of the Titanic, the iconic ocean liner that sank more than a century ago, is located 900 nautical miles east of Cape Cod, Massachusetts.
The sub had up to 96 hours of oxygen supply, the U.S. Coast Guard said.
The price of a spot on the submersible was $250,000. It was only on its third trip since OceanGate Expeditions began offering them in 2021.

If there wasn't a billionaire on board then voyage probably wouldn't have occurred. I mean, who else spends $250k for this?

I think a better question might be whether if this was somewhere area other than the Titanic whether it'd be getting the media coverage.

The thought of being in that tin can absolutely makes my skin crawl. I can’t even imagine being locked in there.

One of the best movies of all-time.....

*ahem*

PRINGLES can!

Another theory that's been floated.....

Colossal squid

uh oh a despair squid!
They'll all end up looking like this!

If we needed any more evidence that having massive amounts of money does not equal being life smart… adventure is going up Everest or swimming the English Channel. The more info that comes out about this the more it looks like planned suicide.

I personally think they found Bioshock's Rapture

To be fair, going up Everest is suicide for about 98% of people.

The worst thing about this is that a script for a TV movie of the week is already being written about this probably.

And I agree bron. Going up everest is bad even for pros.
Heck when I lived in seattle I would constantly hear about the casualties on the cascades and other smaller mountains.

There has been banging heard by the Sonar deployed. They say in half hour intervals. This has gotten people's hopes up.

Another interview just now echoes my sentiments. That if they ARE on the bottom of the sea, there is really no way to get another sub or anything down there in time. The best way is for it to float to the surface. He was actually surprised it's not already done that and said that it isn't really built for being on the bottom, it's supposed to float when weights are released. So getting those weights released is the key.

*shakes head*

They really needed to get Sig, Keith, Jonathan, WIld Bill, Josh, and Casey on the case. I bet they could find them.

I'd rather have Jonas Taylor come rescue me.

Maybe it got stuck on something, like Titanic wreck debris.

I really am freaked out about this. It's sad that such stupidity leads to this.

It's possible...that if they sank . I was thinking about sinking theories. Like Okay it sinks for some reason. So if it hurtles downward and crashes on the bottom it could really wedge itself into the ground.

However...the other thing. It takes 2 and a half hours to reach the titanic on the bottom. And they lost contact at 1:45 I think. So if they never got there, they might be on ann underwaterplateau...but worse thought if they plummeted below some shelves...and even if the thing floats it just is stuck on the "ceiling" . oh it's such a big ocean

i'm freaking out.

oh more stupidity. A british vessel that has a remote control underwater vehicle that contains a winch...was held up in US and forbidden to leave to help them.

Welllll ... that's the claim from a guy who just happened to have been supposed to be on board but pulled out at the last minute.

Aaaaand the ship is in Newfoundland not the US.
Aaaaand the equipment in question is on planes on the Guernsey Islands (also not the U.S.)

Aaaaand the company itself allegedly waited 8 hours to report a problem.

So it seems reasonable that we miiiiight not be hearing the whole story on that just yet

I saw an interview with a guy familiar with the sub and said he knew 3 of the people on board. He explained that the most likely outcome was a hull issue and the sub likely imploded at 6000+ feet underwater.

If thats the case, what an awful way to go.

Edit: although sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 4 days waiting for oxygen to run out is probably worse.

How long until they set up a multi-stop submersible tourist exploration of both sites?

hahahahahahahahahaha

There will be documentaries first :(
then biopic

I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.

I would take virtually instant death over agonizing in total darkness with 4 other people in a run can waiting for my air to run out. I’m claustrophobic AF so I wouldn’t ever be in that thing but I can not imagine the horror.

The pressure that deep under the sea is immense. If there was a structural failure with the vessel because of the pressure it would be crushed instantly and everyone on board killed in literally a millisecond. The human body would be liquified.

Yeah. This stuff is nightmare fuel. I would take instant death over helplessly sitting in the dark waiting to suffocate.

This image puts into perspective how deep and how much water is between rescuers and the Titanic:

Image link doesn't work, but from this article: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...sub-rescue-spt

This is a company spokesman. You know, the one who made the decision to mock any government regulations and the idea of safety being important. Now this libertarian free thinker is demanding the government save the idiots from themselves.

Somebody simply has to write the ultimate catch-all essay on disruptive, libertarian, private-sector-touting entrepreneurs simply begging and demanding for state intervention at the end of their journeys. (This is the Titan sub company's adviser.) pic.twitter.com/dsB9YLln8w

— Eve Fairbanks (@evefairbanks) June 21, 2023

Think of it as a reverse explosion.

Suppose he will count himself among those that "did not do their job"?

Implosion-

think mass volumes of loose styrofoam being pressed into a cube.

I hope the company is going to get billed for the immense amount of money that is going into this rescue operation. Can't fathom the government would put these kind of resources for a non-billionaire who likely imploded on a submarine.

It's just taxpayer money, who cares.

So is the best hope that they somehow were able to open the inflatables and are waiting on the surface to be rescued before air runs out? Like I just don't see any scenario where these folks aren't dead. And even if they found it deep down in the ocean, it doesn't seem like there is any technology we have that can get them up from that level.

Because this story needs more weirdness. This kid seems like a real peach.

Titanic Submarine Billionaire's Son Went To Blink-182 Show

From what I understand, the sub can only be opened from the outside. So even if the sub is bobbing on the surface, they are doomed if they aren't found before the oxygen runs out.

Company behind missing Titan sub allegedly fired a director for raising concerns about the vessel and its potential to expose passengers to ‘extreme danger’

Apparently they were using a porthole certified to 1500m for dives beyond 3000m. What could possibly go wrong there?

So the can opener they have on the surface is going to be of no use now?

they keep hearing banging. which suggests that if it is them, there was no implosion.

how can there be no technology in existence that can detect where the banging is coming from? and why the f*** was there no sonar or other things ON the vessel...



as for your implosion answers, thanks.except for quikshot. Whose answer was completely unhelpful.

So I was thinking more of...if there is a hull breach meaning there's a hole formed in the outer and inner walls, it would just start flooding with water. But you guys seem to be saying that if a hole forms, then the aluminum can is just crushed instantly. the walls and floor and ceiling all just crush together

because water transmits sound very weirdly. you can hear intermittent banging but there's nowhere enough info to get a direction nor a distance beyond vague "maybe that way?"

That's why sonar pings are so powerful, because they have to be to find something and reflect back

It could be that they grounded themselves iin the shelf near the Titanic.

The banging is not them, it's a whale garage band practicing.

WHALES DON'T HAVE GARAGES!

That's basically what (is believed to have happened) to the USS Thresher. The estimate is that the 279 foot nuclear sub ceased to exist in roughly 0.1 seconds.

A 22 foot container with far more questionable construction would fare no better, not against pressure of 6,000 pounds per square inch.

but they have bands


lets be real, these people are dead

I’m just gonna go ahead and call it now. They are all dead and everyone can go home.

This event has not diswayed me from staying inside and playing computer games :(

I guess it's a quick death but not a pleasant thought.

K. Sorry my oversimplification stumbled you.

Squeeze a lemon in your hand and it’s the same thing only do it in like a millisecond.

Best analogy yet <3 YOU WIN!

maybe when it's found we can have submarine tourists visiting the submarine tourists of the Titanic.

that's not even a joke because that's GOING to HAPPEN

Some debris field found. Sounds ominous but if I had to pick, I'd rather go quickly in an implosion than run out of air.

i tell ya man I've been really stressing about this. The fact that we don't know anything has made it worse. I've been really praying for them. I think what has made it far worse is that the press picked up on that "they heard banging every half hour" story. And when no new news developments happen they just repeat that and even worse, make crap up around that that give us false hope about it. That has made mje think how horrible it is to be in a can for 5 days just waiting for help.

Which will begin to beg the question of "then what were those banging sounds they supposedly heard?"

I mean, an implosion since then surely would have been picked up by the search vessels overhead.

It reminds me of this:

https://dai.ly/x2n46wc

For the love of.. please find a way to resize that or delete it CF, it's way too huge.

is it? perfectly fits for me. ARe you on your phone?

And fyi this site has always been horrible with graphics. It's really the only forum I"ve ever been that doesn't resize things automatically

there

Maybe it imploded early, on descent e.g. before any search vessels

Firefox on PC

Yeah, that's kinda what I'm thinking ... but then what was all the "banging" noises we heard about?

You mentioned the Thresher last night and I ended up reading a fairly long article on it. They actually heard banging too and had the same hope but it actually ended up being found out that the banging was coming from the ship picking up the banging.

I guess I'm hoping that the tech has improved in the past 50 years, but it's certainly possible

What always bugged me about the reports of hearing banging was that the hull of the thing was carbon fiber. I wouldn't think it would generate much of a sound like hitting metal would.

Sounds like they’ve found a debris field containing bits of the sub.

I read the banging was quite possibly other bits of the Titanic wreckage in the water, I don’t think it was never clarified how regular or much of a cadence it was. Also that the carbon fiber the sub was made of probably wasn’t the most conducive to sending these kinds of messages as first thought.

It bugged me that there was sound happening and people are saying there isn't technology available to detect where it is coming from. That makes no sense.

also that sound was detected by the planes.

same i went down that rabbit hole too

Well, the tin can crunched.

:(

It was always the most likely outcome.

And of course they asked James Cameron to weigh in :P

At least the schroedinger's Cat situation is over since we've "looked inside the box"

Ya know the last time I was this engaged in a rescue effort was Baby Jessica that fell down the well...

He's got some credentials, he's been to the Titanic wreckage many times, piloted questionably-designed deep ocean subs himself on solo missions, and directed documentaries about the Titanic wreckage.

If there's a guy who can understand the appeal of reckless adventure and discovery to the wealthy, it's him.

Dude, I'm old enough to remember balloon boy.

I remember that epic FOFC thread

what better child stuck in well or child stuck on balloon? - Front Office Football Central

That kid is 20 now.

Seeing reports the kid was terrified and didn’t want to go but did it for his dad on Father’s Day.

It's weird they've been dead pretty much the entire time but they didn't really say they were until the official time had passed.

I don't know how accurate the "banging" stories are. And it seems like when you get that low, the technology is just not there to be that accurate.



It does seem like the Navy figured early on that they were dead.

NEWS: A top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission. https://t.co/PFuUWuXTzz

— Ben Pershing (@benpershing) June 22, 2023

Also cool to spend like a hundred million dollars searching for people who we knew were vaporized a few days ago. Could use of resources by everyone involved.

They spend that on the average training exercise, which is basically what this was.

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Seems the billionaire also got a half a million dollar PPP loan for his death capsule too.

Yeah, read the wikipedia article about the process to develop the sub for his Challenger Deep mission. Completely different from this. They designed multiple redundant systems, including for the failsafes, and the tested every component relentlessly to destruction multiple times. They had a whole series of trial runs and pulled out of several when they encountered unexpected problems, and then spent time diagnosing those problems, developing solutions, and testing those solutions also to destruction.

By all accounts a completely thorough and professional operation, unlike this one. Now, not all of it was done by Cameron, but at the very least he supported all of that described above, if not actively demanded it.

that's quite an epic thread. I don't even remember that.

that's not very old.

This was always the mostly likely outcome. Quick and incredibly violent.

But only today did I realize that the hoaxing parents of Balloon boy were pardoned a few years ago

'Balloon Boy' Parents Pardoned By Colorado Governor for 2009 Hoax : NPR

WOW! Just watched ANderson Cooper interviewing him! He's a genius about this stuff. He even told another sub company to stop what they were doing because they were going to die if they got in their sub. Didn't with this one. But he said carbgon fiber can't sustain that kind of pressure after multiple dives. That each pressure wave creates stress and weakened the structure so that you may have a couple successful dives and then it will fail. WHich is what happened.

What is the attraction to make a SUB lightweight anyway?
That's silly. It's not like it's a plane. I would think that underwater it's the design not the material that makes things go faster...but you're dealing with underwater...and that whole can of worms...i don't think speed is a good thing.

Oh one last thing cameron said. He criticized that there was an "alarm" for a failing structure because just NEEDING that speaks that it isn't safe and not a good design.

I hereby nominate Stockton Rush for the Darwin Award.

That's one thing I've wondered. Did they know there were issues before the implosion? Would there have been a warning or signal that things were not good? Or were they just hanging out one minute, and then poof?

The implosion itself would have been faster than the human brain can process, so they wouldn't have been aware, but we'll probably never know what signs, if any, they had before the catastrophe.

Not the headline we wanted, but the headline we needed.

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