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The Jackal 05-10-2011 09:14 PM

Cube D2 Splitter Thread (Day 2 ends Wednesday, 10 PM EST)
 
muahahahaha

If you are not on this list YOU DO NOT BELONG IN THIS THREAD:


Telle
Abe
Autumn
dwardzala
mauboy1
mckerney
mrbug708
ntndeacon
schmidty

mckerney 05-10-2011 09:15 PM

Hi guys!

mauchow 05-10-2011 09:16 PM

Huh?

The Jackal 05-10-2011 09:19 PM

Now, here's the fun part!

For the day two voting, you are not allowed to vote for someone in this thread. You may only vote for someone who has been split.

mckerney 05-10-2011 09:20 PM

Are we allowed to read the new posts in the other thread?

The Jackal 05-10-2011 09:20 PM

Room choices to come shortly.

The Jackal 05-10-2011 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 2468285)
Are we allowed to read the new posts in the other thread?


No, please stay in this thread only for today.

mauchow 05-10-2011 09:23 PM

That's wild ass shit dude.

Umm ... I want my mommy!

The Jackal 05-10-2011 09:23 PM

Before any questions are asked, you will be getting the same room options as the other thread.

The Jackal 05-10-2011 09:26 PM

There are three door options.

The first is yellow, has the letter Z and a number sequence: 1 5 4 2 4 4 1 4 6 1

The second is brown, has the letter F and a number sequence: 5 7 5 5 2 2 9 7 8 7

The third is maroon, has the letter T and a number sequence: 6 1 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 9

The Jackal 05-10-2011 09:27 PM

(I understand this has taken a crazy confusing turn, feel free to ask questions via PM or in the thread. The game is the same for day two except you can only vote to lynch someone in the opposite thread, and you are not allowed to read that thread today)

mckerney 05-10-2011 09:27 PM

I'm going to guess we're in here with one team of wolves while the other team is in the next thread. Any wolves want to let us know if that theory is right or wrong?

mauchow 05-10-2011 09:32 PM

I wonder if it has to do with the way we voted for door..

I am headed to bed and will catch up in the morning..,

Telle 05-10-2011 09:33 PM

Well this is... different.

Telle 05-10-2011 09:34 PM

Btw, Jackal, could you be so kind as to provide us with a list of who we're allowed to vote for?

The Jackal 05-10-2011 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 2468305)
Btw, Jackal, could you be so kind as to provide us with a list of who we're allowed to vote for?


Bhlloy
PackerFanatic
CrimsonFox
Tyrith
Narcizo
Danny
hoopsguy
Zinto
J23

dwardzala 05-10-2011 09:36 PM

Um, yeah. . .

I don't remember who is in the other thread.. jackal can you post a list of possible lynch candidates for us so we won't go peeking?

dwardzala 05-10-2011 09:37 PM

dola, nevermind telle beat me too it.

dwardzala 05-10-2011 09:40 PM

We are at a slight disadvantage without the benefit of the Day 1 vote history.

Abe Sargent 05-10-2011 09:42 PM

Hola

mckerney 05-10-2011 09:42 PM

Day One

1. Green, A - 3 8 1 8 8 2 4 7 8 3
2. Blue, B - 5 2 7 8 7 3 3 8 1 7
3. Orange, C - 8 4 5 6 7 9 8 6 9 4

0 - 0 (0,0,0)
1 - 2 (1,1,0)
2 - 2 (1,1,0)
3 - 4 (2,2,0)
4 - 3 (1,0,2)
5 - 2 (0,1,1)
6 - 2 (0,0,2)
7 - 5 (1,3,1)
8 - 8 (4,2,2)
9 - 2 (0,0,2)

Day Two
1. Yellow, Z - 1 5 4 2 4 4 1 4 6 1
2. Brown, F - 5 7 5 5 2 2 9 7 8 7
3. Maroon, T - 6 1 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 9

0 - 0 (0,0,0)
1 - 4 (3,0,1)
2 - 3 (1,2,0)
3 - 1 (0,0,1)
4 - 5 (4,0,1)
5 - 5 (1,3,1)
6 - 4 (1,0,3)
7 - 3 (0,3,0)
8 - 3 (0,1,2)
9 - 2 (0,1,1)

Abe Sargent 05-10-2011 09:43 PM

I just wanna say taht I enjoy this mechanic

The Jackal 05-10-2011 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwardzala (Post 2468314)
We are at a slight disadvantage without the benefit of the Day 1 vote history.


Do you mean because you can't access the other thread?

7 - Darth Vilus - mckerney (86), dwardzala (130), J23 (193), CrimsonFox (194), Zinto (201), hoopsguy (209), Telle (214)
5 - CrimsonFox - Autumn (82), bhlloy (182), Tyrith (192), mauboy1 (200), MrBug (202)
4 - Zinto - Narcizo (84), ntndeacon (100), Schmidty (181), Abe Sargent (199)
1 - Autumn - PackerFanatic (97)
1 - J23 - Darth Vilus (177)

Abe Sargent 05-10-2011 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2468299)
There are three door options.

The first is yellow, has the letter Z and a number sequence: 1 5 4 2 4 4 1 4 6 1

The second is brown, has the letter F and a number sequence: 5 7 5 5 2 2 9 7 8 7

The third is maroon, has the letter T and a number sequence: 6 1 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 9


Brown is New Mexico which includes Roswell.

Maroon is Illinois

The first, yellow, is not an area code. However, 154 numbers have been reported to the database as numbers which have called for business reasons.

Looks like my Phone # theory may not hold up. That is sad, i was hoping I had nailed it on day 1.

Abe Sargent 05-10-2011 09:51 PM

The Jackal question:

Who gets voted off today,the person with the most votes, OVERALL, or the person with the most votes in each thread?

Abe Sargent 05-10-2011 09:53 PM

154 reports, despite it not being either US or Canada area code.


Access Denied

The Jackal 05-10-2011 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2468338)
The Jackal question:

Who gets voted off today,the person with the most votes, OVERALL, or the person with the most votes in each thread?


Error. Unknown variable.

Abe Sargent 05-10-2011 09:57 PM

Okay, I think it behooves us to have a consensus candidate that we all vote for, rather than splitting our votes. Just in case the top candidate among both threads is the one that is offed.

Abe Sargent 05-10-2011 09:59 PM

One thing that sucks is that I can;t look back at the old thread to see if anyone lied about which door they would choose. That's pretty interesting if they did. I would want to push them and see if I can find someone tripping up.

MrBug708 05-10-2011 09:59 PM

Ok...wow...what?

Abe Sargent 05-10-2011 09:59 PM

Alright, time for a manbath, and thn watching Dr. Who. See you folkses laters.

MrBug708 05-10-2011 10:01 PM

Is it worth talking about the room we picked?

Abe Sargent 05-10-2011 10:01 PM

B4 I go, the Jackal, can you repost the rules of the game in this thread, so we can look back at them?

The Jackal 05-10-2011 10:05 PM

here you go Abe, the first post from the other thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2466633)
Cube (1997) - IMDb

Game will be based around this movie. Each day will take place in a different room of the Cube, and starting N1, everyone will have the chance to vote on which direction to move in. Some rooms may be tame, other may be infused with bull moose specials! But each room will have a specific way of destroying the lynch victim. Irrelevant to roles, simply flavor.

Single deadline will either be 9 or 10 PM EST, can be voted on or I'll just decide. Lynch votes and night actions due at that time.

No lynch is an option, but I wouldn't recommend it. The Cube doesn't like no victims. Go ahead and piss off the Cube. See what happens.

In the case of tie votes, no one will know how the Cube will react. It may depend on how that particular room of the Cube is feeling.

----------

This game is going to be a little different than normal. There is not going to be a seer, or a regular night kill mechanism. There will be three factions, one village team and two separate wolf teams that do not know each other.

Victory conditions:
Village: Minor - Outlast both wolf teams, Major - Outlast both wolf teams and escape the Cube
Wolves: Minor - Outlast other wolf team, Major - Outlast other wolf team, achieve 1-1 ratio with other cube members

All three factions will have the opportunity to commit one night kill each, more on that later.

Vanilla PM:

You are a vanilla cube rat. You are a normal person who has awoken in a strange experiment with no knowledge of how they got there.

Village Roles:

Bodyguard - May protect one person each night from attack, including himself. May not protect the same person twice in a row. If the person the bodyguard is protecting is attacked, the bodyguard and assailant will both die.

Duke - May once during the game change the lynch target.

Commando - May once during the game attempt to kill another player at night. This will only be active after one correct room has been entered.

Neutral Roles:

Jester's Mole - Tiebreaker on all movement and in-room decisions. May have unknown skills. Achieves major victory if he survives until the end of the game. Counts as a villager in the overall role count.

Inferno Hunter - May each day scan for the inferno device. If the hunter locates the device, they have the option of detonating it or deactivating it. Counts as a villager in the overall vote count.

Wolf Teams:

Scientists: This group of people were scientists who worked on the mechanisms and theories behind the Cube. They are led by the Physicist, and while he is alive this wolf team may learn whether one exit each day is the correct or incorrect route.

Construction Workers: This group of people were involved in the physical creation of the Cube. They are led by the foreman and volunteered to be in this experiment out of a mixture of bloodlust and greed. While the foreman is alive, this wolf team may learn whether one exit each day is the correct or incorrect route.

Items:

Inferno device - The device starts in a random person on the first day and moves randomly to another every night. Once three incorrect rooms have been entered, the device will explode.


Abe Sargent 05-10-2011 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 2468359)
Is it worth talking about the room we picked?


It is if they lied in the thread:

Scientists: This group of people were scientists who worked on the mechanisms and theories behind the Cube. They are led by the Physicist, and while he is alive this wolf team may learn whether one exit each day is the correct or incorrect route.

Construction Workers: This group of people were involved in the physical creation of the Cube. They are led by the foreman and volunteered to be in this experiment out of a mixture of bloodlust and greed. While the foreman is alive, this wolf team may learn whether one exit each day is the correct or incorrect route.


So, let's suppose that they said, in thread, that they wanted Door Blue, but they chose Orange. To me, that says they changed their mind. Why? Look at the rules The Jackal posted so nicely for us. One possible reason could be that they found out about the door with a wolf role. I would find that suspicious, wouldn;t you?

Pushing people is never bad play. Getting the wolves to talk more and more helps to trip them up. The more we can get them to say, the more we have to have them later, so pushing is ideal. Pushing on door choice is just one of the few tools we actually have at this point, no?

The Jackal 05-10-2011 11:01 PM

(This was asked in the other thread and I wanted to let you know - if/when the groups recombine, the people from the other thread will be allowed to read over this thread while the game is still going on)

The Jackal 05-11-2011 12:06 AM

Because it's relevant:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 2468458)
Jackal, er I mean, Jester, how does the bodyguard work in this situation? Is the BG allowed to protect players in a different room? Similar questions for the other roles that scan/target people.


For the purposes of any roles/abilities that can target people, you are all technically still in the same room.

MrBug708 05-11-2011 12:50 AM

That would be either one lucky guess or someone would have been reading the wrong thread?

MrBug708 05-11-2011 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2468404)
It is if they lied in the thread:

Scientists: This group of people were scientists who worked on the mechanisms and theories behind the Cube. They are led by the Physicist, and while he is alive this wolf team may learn whether one exit each day is the correct or incorrect route.

Construction Workers: This group of people were involved in the physical creation of the Cube. They are led by the foreman and volunteered to be in this experiment out of a mixture of bloodlust and greed. While the foreman is alive, this wolf team may learn whether one exit each day is the correct or incorrect route.


So, let's suppose that they said, in thread, that they wanted Door Blue, but they chose Orange. To me, that says they changed their mind. Why? Look at the rules The Jackal posted so nicely for us. One possible reason could be that they found out about the door with a wolf role. I would find that suspicious, wouldn;t you?

Pushing people is never bad play. Getting the wolves to talk more and more helps to trip them up. The more we can get them to say, the more we have to have them later, so pushing is ideal. Pushing on door choice is just one of the few tools we actually have at this point, no?


I need to read better, I had no idea any of that was even posted to be able to read.

Nobody switched their votes right?

I wonder if we have two players on the same side in this room or if they were divided one in each room?

For a second I thought each number represented a person, but there are ten numbers per split and not as many people to represent one solely.

MrBug708 05-11-2011 12:55 AM

Jackal - On the inferno device, I'm assuming that we don't know if it is inside of us? Once it's explodes, is it gone? Lastly, is it three wrong rooms in order? Or just the third wrong door entered?

dwardzala 05-11-2011 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2468352)
Okay, I think it behooves us to have a consensus candidate that we all vote for, rather than splitting our votes. Just in case the top candidate among both threads is the one that is offed.


I agree with this approach, that way we have a better chance of surviving.

dwardzala 05-11-2011 06:40 AM

Looking at the vote from yesterday, later in the day, every time CF got a vote, someone put a vote on DV to push back ahead.

I am leaning toward CF at this point.

The Jackal 05-11-2011 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 2468488)
Jackal - On the inferno device, I'm assuming that we don't know if it is inside of us? Once it's explodes, is it gone? Lastly, is it three wrong rooms in order? Or just the third wrong door entered?


You do not know if the device is inside you except for the split second before you are obliterated, correct.

As to the mechanics of the wrong rooms, it's a secret!

mauchow 05-11-2011 08:59 AM

vote cf

I voted there yesterday may as well do again today. We literally have nothing to go on so we are shooting in the dark here unfortunately. If someone has a better candidate and we want a unanimous decision I will switch no problem.

Autumn 05-11-2011 09:10 AM

Okay, I was out all of yesterday and have only now caught up. A wild day.

I read quickly through the other thread, and obviously can't be hanging out there rereading, so I'm going to have to rely somewhat on you guys and your impressions of people. The only thing that stuck out at me was CF's response to my vote on him, which was completely random and the first vote of the game. He seemed more outraged than the situation warranted, but hey that's werewolf.

I don't have a guess at the moment as to the door thing but I'll look at them this morning and see what I can think of. Do we think it's more likely that there are two bad choices and one good or vice versa? Did this split come about explicitly because we "chose wrong"?

Autumn 05-11-2011 09:54 AM

So here is the sum of the number sequences, as well as the sequences of odds and evens:

Green A 52 o e o e e e e o e o
Blue B 51 o e o e o o o e o o
Orange C 66 e e o e o o e e o e

Yellow Z 32 o o e e e e o e e o
Brown F 57 o o o o e e o o e o
Maroon T 56 e o e e e o e o e o

Of note is that there is one odd sum and two even on both days. We know that one of the even sums from day one was the wrong door.

Also of note is that all of the "even sum" doors have 4 odd numbers in the sequences. Only the "Odd sum" options have a different number than four (eight and seven respectively).

All these things point at the middle doors being different in each set. I would think it would be worth picking Brown at this point to see if there's anything to that.

Abe Sargent 05-11-2011 10:56 AM

Morning All.

Schmidty 05-11-2011 12:53 PM

Hello. Not sure what to do at this point.

Abe Sargent 05-11-2011 01:04 PM

I want there to be as much of a consensus as we can get, and pushing either Zinto or CF from yesterday seems a smart choice. Getting more info is always good, and since CF already has a vote.

Vote CrimsonFox

mckerney 05-11-2011 01:58 PM

I'll agree to that. CF is as good a candidate as anyone and not knowing if there is one or two will be lynched we may as well protect ourselves.

Vote CrimsonFox

mckerney 05-11-2011 01:58 PM

I'll agree to that. CF is as good a candidate as anyone and not knowing if there is one or two will be lynched we may as well protect ourselves.

Vote CrimsonFox

MrBug708 05-11-2011 01:59 PM

I didn't want to vote CF on the second day, but since this twist has happened, there really isn't much we can do without possibly just repeating the first day vote.

The question is, what happens if we have a tie?

Autumn 05-11-2011 02:56 PM

I guess I agree with the idea of having a consensus. Since we can't hear back from the people we're voting, we don't get any of the interplay that normally helps guide votes. There's also no way for a target to reveal their role. This splitting is definitely a bad result for us. Not knowing how the wolves might be split between the threads, we can't really tell is they're manipulating the vote. Oh and there's two groups of wolves, I keep forgetting that. That really complicates it.

Has anyone figured out how we got divided up? Is there any reason to that?

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

The Jackal 05-11-2011 02:57 PM

4 - CrimsonFox - mauboy1 (44), Abe Sargent (49), mckerney (50), Autumn (53)

Schmidty 05-11-2011 03:25 PM

I think I'll actually add a second candidate again:

Vote Zinto

MrBug708 05-11-2011 03:40 PM

Vote CF

I doubt we see much else accomplished today

ntndeacon 05-11-2011 04:50 PM

I do not like te idea of only one target for our votes. It does little to help figure out possible wolves. so...
Vote Zinto

MrBug708 05-11-2011 05:26 PM

I'll tell you this much, it's a pain having to click the individual forum rather than the top thread in the forum

dwardzala 05-11-2011 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 2468832)
I do not like te idea of only one target for our votes. It does little to help figure out possible wolves. so...
Vote Zinto


I disagree, since we are split, our voting records will be somewhat contrived anyway. I would probably not vote for CF today if I could chose from everybody, but if the other team decides to pool most or all votes on one candidate, one of us will get lynched if our votes are split. I don't know how long we are going to be divided, but I like our chances of getting out if we have more people to figure this thing out as opposed to less.

Vote CF

ntndeacon 05-11-2011 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwardzala (Post 2468865)
I disagree, since we are split, our voting records will be somewhat contrived anyway. I would probably not vote for CF today if I could chose from everybody, but if the other team decides to pool most or all votes on one candidate, one of us will get lynched if our votes are split. I don't know how long we are going to be divided, but I like our chances of getting out if we have more people to figure this thing out as opposed to less.

Vote CF


They may be contrived, but in putting our votes in one basket, we are pretty much guaranteeing a villager death. I would rather risk one of us than let that happen.

Autumn 05-11-2011 07:00 PM

I guess no matter what we do we're screwed. Particularly being stuck in this thread, without the postings to look back through, and without the targets to speak to, there's not really much of anything to base a vote on. You're probably right NTN that debating a vote would be better for us in the long run, if we had anything to debate based on.

I don't have any reason to vote Zinto, but I'll switch to him just to at least make the vote interesting. Maybe one of these guys is a wolf and there's another wolf or two around to worry about it.

UNVOTE CRIMSON FOX
VOTE ZINTO

The Jackal 05-11-2011 07:08 PM

5 - CrimsonFox - mauboy1 (44), Abe Sargent (49), mckerney (50), MrBug708 (56), dwardzala (59)
3 - Zinto - Schmidty (55), ntndeacon (57), Autumn (61)

Autumn 05-11-2011 07:29 PM

Here's anohter thought with doors. Did we end up in different rooms than the other group? If so, we may not join back up unless we both choose doors to the same room. I guess without a sense of the geography of the rooms I can't think of a way to do that, but just a thought that occurred to me.

Telle 05-11-2011 07:30 PM

Hey guys... I have had a REALLY rough day in the real world. So please forgive me for this vote-and-run. I should be able to be more active tomorrow.

vote Crimson Fox

Autumn 05-11-2011 08:30 PM

You guys are snoozing me to death.

I'm worried we'll end up with a tie with the other side or something. But I don't really know how to avoid that.

What did people do about doors? I voted for the middle one.

mauchow 05-11-2011 08:31 PM

yellow

Abe Sargent 05-11-2011 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 2468905)
I guess no matter what we do we're screwed. Particularly being stuck in this thread, without the postings to look back through, and without the targets to speak to, there's not really much of anything to base a vote on. You're probably right NTN that debating a vote would be better for us in the long run, if we had anything to debate based on.

I don't have any reason to vote Zinto, but I'll switch to him just to at least make the vote interesting. Maybe one of these guys is a wolf and there's another wolf or two around to worry about it.

UNVOTE CRIMSON FOX
VOTE ZINTO



I find this suspicious Autumn.

We have votes on Day One to investigate. We have two other candidates that were close, Zinto and CF, so we should look at them today. We are the only group that can vote for either Zinto or CF, because they are both in the other room. We are the ONLY group's vote which will help the cause easily. Vote analysis for today will be rough because of the split room. That means, voting off CF or Zinto is very important to us. It's not necessary, if we've got other info from reveals or clues or whatever, we can go there, but this seems to be the main idea today.

We don;t know if each thread will have someone voted out, or if just the oerall top candidate will. That means we should back either CF or Zinto with as much unaniminity as possible, and instead of doing that, you switch from one to the other? Really? I find that strategy totally flawed.

If both groups vote off their top vote, then who cares if the final vote is close here, but what if they don't? Then we head into Day 3 with very little vote information to go by, since only half of the group voted for one candidate and we have no new info on Day 1 votes, all because you made what I consider to be a very bad decision for the village at this point.

mauchow 05-11-2011 08:44 PM

I agree Abe, I am looking at this day with a grain of salt mostly. Honestly, I'd rather have us all put our votes in the way we want them. Take note of those votes then switch them all to the majority (unanimous) to ensure if it's just one person getting killed tonight then let it not be us.

The Jackal 05-11-2011 08:45 PM

Going to be a bit late in the posting tonight, fyi.

dwardzala 05-11-2011 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2468958)
I find this suspicious Autumn.

We have votes on Day One to investigate. We have two other candidates that were close, Zinto and CF, so we should look at them today. We are the only group that can vote for either Zinto or CF, because they are both in the other room. We are the ONLY group's vote which will help the cause easily. Vote analysis for today will be rough because of the split room. That means, voting off CF or Zinto is very important to us. It's not necessary, if we've got other info from reveals or clues or whatever, we can go there, but this seems to be the main idea today.

We don;t know if each thread will have someone voted out, or if just the oerall top candidate will. That means we should back either CF or Zinto with as much unaniminity as possible, and instead of doing that, you switch from one to the other? Really? I find that strategy totally flawed.

If both groups vote off their top vote, then who cares if the final vote is close here, but what if they don't? Then we head into Day 3 with very little vote information to go by, since only half of the group voted for one candidate and we have no new info on Day 1 votes, all because you made what I consider to be a very bad decision for the village at this point.


I agree with Abe - gotta save ourselves first.

Autumn 05-11-2011 08:55 PM

As I've tried to say Abe, I missed all of day one and only got to give it a cursory scan before I hit the split. I wasn't sure why Zinto was getting any votes, so I was not aware of what you point out, taht we have the best two candidates. Frankly I was just voting CF because he had snapped at me rather oddly yesterday, and 'cause he already had votes here.

I'm helping make a closer vote between the two candidates you say are best, so I'm not sure why you're suggesting that's bad. That's how we normally do it.

Autumn 05-11-2011 08:56 PM

I'm also not sure why you're focusing on me rather than the several people who added Zinto as a candidate before me. As I've said a few times, I don't think there's a good way to handle today. If we all just voted CF we'd have no vote record to go off, and could pretty much be sure he wasn't a wolf as well.

Autumn 05-11-2011 08:57 PM

Anyway, I have to go. I'm fine with moving my vote back if you think it's more important to have a sure thing. I'm sure that will get me in trouble as well, but that's the way it goes.

UNVOTE ZINTO
VOTE CRIMSON FOX

Autumn 05-11-2011 08:58 PM

I'll be back later, when teh laundry's done.

The Jackal 05-11-2011 09:20 PM

7 - CrimsonFox - mauboy1 (44), Abe Sargent (49), mckerney (50), MrBug708 (56), dwardzala (59), Telle (64), Autumn (73)
2 - Zinto - Schmidty (55), ntndeacon (57)

The Jackal 05-11-2011 09:26 PM

The wall in the middle of the room lifts, and you are rejoined prior to the room decision.

There will be no more relevant posts in this thread by me, you are free to return to the other one for updated information.


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