OT- Relationship problems
 

I've been seeing this woman for 6 months now, and i think its going fairly well.. my schedule doesn't really give me much free time during the week, so weekends is really all i have.

Over the past 3 weekends(including this long fri-mon weekend for me) she has stood me up on plans without as much as a call.. But this weekend really takes the cake.. Had planned to take her for a nice weekend retreat to the lake.. But she instead jetted off to be with her Friend in San Diego without telling me.. and She knew and agreed to go with me to the lake.. Only reason i even know that is her roommate told me.

I value my time off too much to continue wasting it on someone who doesn't have the courtesy to even call... What do you guys think?

And no, being cocky and funny won't work :P

If weekends are all you have and she knows this, then it sounds like the end of the relationship IMO. 3 weekends in a row is alot if that is all the available time you have.

If she respected your relationship you would be at the lake. Talk to her ASAP.

Stick a fork in it. Not even sure I'd bother to get in touch with her about the decision either, depending on how long "some time" means.

Yeah, the better side of us always wants these things to work out. I've been in this kind of situation before and it's really not fun. The best advice that I can give to you is to look elsewhere. It's not worth wasting your time on someone who won't give you the respect to honor the time you set aside. Seriously, consider being married to someone who is more concerned with a friend on the other side of the country (or close to home :( ) and decided to jet without notice. Not good.

NoMyths and I agree on something

dola

but try to doink her one last time - and be a pig

Nah...just track down her friends and doink them instead. :D

Yes yes. Much better that way.

There is no crime in doinking both her and her friends.
Be creative!

ditch the bitch.

Get out. She's been trying to break up with you for three weeks and you didn't pick up on the signs. I wouldn't even bother with a phone call.

Good luck, no matter what you decide.

TroyF

I think we are all in agreement on this point, we are now just debating who he needs to tag on the way out.

Gosh I HATE it when girls just hope that you "get the hint." :mad:

and be a pig

I agree with the other guys here. She is not only breaking up with you. She is being an asshole. I'm usually not so petty. But it won't hurt your self esteem to do something moderately spiteful nd destructive to her.

If you can bag any of her friends while getting your revenge...

Well, that's two birds with one stone ( pun intended ).

I'd disagree with oykib. Yeah, it may feel good in the heat of the moment to do something in spite, but for one, word might get around (reputation) and two, you don't want to do something you can't take back (regret). She is being inconsiderate, but the best thing is probably to just walk away. The greater revenge is to have her live with the fact that she didn't know what a good thing she had until it was gone.

What's her number? :)

Try and have some breakup sex on her room-mates homework. Either that or on their PS 2 controller, and we'll see if a thread pops up on here at the same time...

She is being more than incosiderate. Come on, three weekends in a row... And sher knows he only haas free times on weekends. She must have been talking to him to agree to these dates. That she stood him up three weeks in a row without even a call.

I'll just say that she'd make a good mother for a litter of puppies.

As to the revenge factor. It's up to him. But some people feel better after getting back at a hurtful person. I, personally, don't go in for it much. But feeling like a chump after getting stomped on doesn't always sit well.

Sometimes, a guy's gotta wash the chump out of his mouth.

I guess it is perogitave. My perogitive is to turn the other cheek and to kill with kindness.

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You are right on, my friend. C&F won't work now, but if you had been a man with testosterone, used a little C&F, and generally avoided being a wussy she would not be so bored with you now.

Be honest with me now, okay? Did you try REALLY hard to make her the happiest woman you could?

I thought so, and that is why she is gone now. You have to challenge them, stimulate them, and keep things fresh and exciting if you want to keep them around for the long term. Being a wussy, a doormat, or engaging in any other supplicant's behavior will almost always end up just like this did.

She is not attracted to you anymore and there is nothing you can do to turn her on again. Attraction is not a choice people make and there is nothing that can be done to persuade a woman (or man) in one way or the other. In her mind you are a wussy now and will most likely always be one. You have no choice but to move on to the next one and avoid making the same mistakes next time.

Good luck. :)

HornsManiac

Another Classic HM "I know exactly who you are and how you act even though I never met you, but I will put in my useless 2 cents which I know makes everybody laugh" post.

I dunno Marm.

I think if you add a good hook to it, HM has the makings of a best selling love ballad.

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I wonder how you can say all this stuff with a straight face, especially with everyone laughing at how pathetic it is.

I went out with this girl freshman year of college. We tried dating over the summer (bad idea), and she blew me off for like a month. So me and her best friend at college are from the same town. We hung out all summer, and I fooled around with her to get back at my girl then.

Now, I'm still good friends with the girl from the summer, my ex is good friends with the girl, and she has no idea. Thank god my current girl is cool with all this.

Flip the bird and squeal the tires, my man.

The better part of valor is to run when you have the chance.

I've been through the exact same thing, and just recognize that there are some people in this world (both men and women) who simply don't have the courage to face the consequences of their decisions. This is where all this "get the hint" horsesh** comes from.

If I were you, I'd call her and tell her to kiss your royal ass, then move on.

Best of luck to you

am I the only one in the "be a pig" camp?

Sorry to say it Ragone, but it sounds like this one is indeed on the way out.
At this point, I would simply stop trying. Make no effort to make plans, call, anything. See what she does as her next move. If you have no plans by Thursday, make different ones for Friday and go out and have fun. Don't hang around wondering if she'll call, she won't. Don't plan, and don't smother.....just play it low and get out and have fun. 6 months is a long relationship, but if she cares this little about it, why should you give her the satifaction of fighting for something that isn't there.

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LMAO I don't think I am the one who is pathetic this time. Anyone who thinks the secret to keeping a new relationship strong is kissing her ass and bending over backwards to make her feel like a queen is the one who is pathetic. Hell, all you have to do is ask any beautiful woman and if she is honest she will tell you what I am saying is accurate. Trust me, a fine woman can have some loser buy her a diamond watch and offer her the vacation of a lifetime EVERY day. Knowing that do you think "the royal treatment" means anything to her? It means you are a wussy guy who is below her just like all of the rest. She wants a man to treat her as an equal or less, but never more. If a man acts like he isn't sure if he deserves this beautiful woman I can guarantee you she knows immediately that he doesn't and will not give him a chance.

DISCLAIMER - I reallize EVERY woman in the world doesn't think like this and I know some of you will have wives that laugh and say I am not right when you ask them. However, the majority of women are like I say they are and the smart man focuses his attention on the majority.

I am finished here. I was merely offering a little hope for the future and not wanting to start major drama here in this thread. I will respond to PMs if anyone wants to discuss this further, but not here in this thread. :)

HornsManiac

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Actually, considering the low-self-esteem issues that many, many women have, Horns may have a point--unfortunately. It may apply to much more than just beautiful women though. MANY women do NOT have a clue how to handle being treated like the made-in-the-image-of-God, God's-highest-creation people that they are.

Use the broken-hearted, "hi! I'm mister sensitive! see!" guy approach on one of her hot friends/roommates, and try and get some good sympathy sex from them.

Because as has been said many times before...you be done with her. Tag one of her friends as a parting gift.

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This is why you are dead wrong on these issues, HM. In order to focus on the "majority" of women, most guys will have to change the way they act. And those women very frequently end up being more trouble than they are worth in the end. What is wrong with being yourself and finding someone you can be comfortable with, rather than acting like a jackass in order to attract a bitch?

If you enjoy living your life that way, fine. But don't pretend like it's the only way to find happiness in a relationship. Sometimes things - like relationships - are worth a little effort, even if that means passing by the "majority" of women to find someone compatible with who you are. It may be easy to put on a show once a week at a crowded bar, but you can't successfully pull it off every day. OIr, if you do, you will be one unhappy person. Eventually, you just have to be yourself - so why put on an act you can't possibly continue with, just to get a woman you wouldn't want if she wouldn't like you for who you are?

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That's the best advice yet, and nobody gave it to you.



Not real sure who you've been dating, and I really don't wanna know either so spare me, but if you think being 'cocky and funny' and treating a woman like shit is what any woman wants, your sadly mistaken.

*Most* women don't want someone who is arrogant, they want someone who is straight forward and honest... no BS... no emotional attachment to some past love, and most importantly, not a know it all. plenty of other stuff but most of that is just an added bonus.

As far as Ragone goes, your best off moving on without a word... find someone else an treat her how you want... There is no 'secret' to everyones relationship that everyone is gonna do and is gonna work.... but there are some outlines for what will and won't work.

Best way to get at anyone is move on and don't let it affect you... like it never even happen.

Dola. What's wrong with discussing it in the thread? I think it's useful, even if I disagree with you, HM.

dola....

One last thing I forgot...

Women are not wired like men and they don't think rationally like we do. As men we tend to think like this:

"I gave her everything I had, so how could that not be enough for her?"

"I gave up all of my favorite hobbies and my drinking buddies to make her and her kids as happy as I could, so why doesn't she appreciate it?"

"Damn, my world revolved around her and now she is gone. How in the hell is that possible?"

"All women love roses so sending my girlfriend roses on Valentines Day is guaranteed to make her happy and show her how much she really means to me."

"If I offer to take her to dinner she will think I am a nice guy who is kind and will treat her well. Therefore, doing so is the way to win her attention."

"I love this woman so the bigger the diamond the better. She loves me too, so a REALLY nice diamond is crucial to how likely she is to say, 'Yes.' No amount of money will express how much she means to me, so give me that credit application and let's get her the largest and finest ring in this store."

All of these scenarios sound logical to us men and that is why we think this way so damned often. However, women are COMPLETELY OPPOSITE of men and they do not think logically. That is why so many women are attracted to bad boys, violent men, alcoholics, abusive partners, etc. I am NOT saying you should be one of these guys by any means. I am just saying you have to challenge them with the general attitude that faintly reeks "Sweetie, you need me because I am the catch and not the other way around."

HornsManiac

PS... Now I am finished for good here. :)

And to continue my point above, those are the wrong women, so why focus on them?

because you can make them get on all fours and oink?

Actually, these things you list aren't limited to women's thinking:



In the end, we're not that different. Relationships destroy and gender-specific thinking we might have, and we all turn into stupid, free spending idiots in order to attract/keep people we feel strongly about.

But of course, you bought a mink for your wife, so what does that say about you?

Well, besides that reason - which is a good one. But I'm talking about for a relationship. You can't sustain a relationship built on simulating farm animal sex - it quickly grows tiresome.

I dunno man, it doesn't grow tiresome, unless you do it for 16 straight hours.

You must not be doing it right. ;)

Try to doink her once more before you dump her... I'm with the "be a pig" crowd... do her in the butt and walk out while she's still crying about it.

ok, gay sex isnt the way to go.

Take pictures of her the next time you have sex, then dump her over the phone and post the pics here... i have a website.

Doing a woman in the ass isn't gay, but it's definately brutal if done without warning.

I agree wholeheartedly about the pictures, though. Nothing says "Kiss my ass" like posting nudes of your ex on the internet.

It says a helluva lot. The gift was given to her on my terms which doesn't hint that I am trying to buy her love or attention. My attitude about it and the situation surrounding it made it obvious to her that I was buying it because I wanted to and not because I was trying to impress her and/or hoped to benefit in any way from it. She is already my wife and has been for a long time and not my girlfriend of six months. Huge difference there.



When or where did I ever say or imply that I treat women like shit and that doing so is the way to do it? I've never said that and I happen to treat women very well. Thank you.

Also, when have I said that women like or want arrogant jerks? You are right about that, Bishop, they DON'T like arrogance one bit. However, cockiness/confidence are totally different than arrogance.

EXAMPLE.....

In the old movie Top Gun Cruise drives the hot blonde nuts by being confident, cocky, and making her laugh... a lot. Never - not once - in the movie is he rude to her, treats her like shit, like a piece of meat, or anything else you allude to in your senseless rant. His behavior in that movie is a great example of what I am trying to say here. I know it's only a movie, but what he did works and works very, very well.



Of course they will, but it is worth it. Women read Cosmo to learn all about positive changes they can make in their life. Men read Men's Health for the same reasons, so if you are willing to change your appearance, car, job, physique, etc. what is wrong with being willing to change your attitude as well if it will bring you more success? It is not an act or a game for us men who understand it. It is truly the way we are at all times and not just on weekends when we are at our local nightclub trying to get laid.



When you first decide to start working out five days a week you don't feel like it is really "being yourself" because in the past you have always spent that time playing FOF and CM. However, once you get used to it and start to see results you will grow to love working out and it will become a part of the real you and when you go to the gym it will be you just being yourself.

You are the one that just refered to women as "a bitch". You have never heard me say that about them, so who is being the jackass now?

HornsManiac

not all the animals have to be from the farm. You just as easily mock domesticated pets or "wild" animals. I guess you could use marine life if your imagination was up to it.

I wasn't referring to all women, I was referring to the ones you think we should all change ourselves for to try to attract. From my experiences, those women have usually turned out to be bitches. The problem is, most of those women who need a "challenge" will either tire of the challenge you give them, or not find it to be a challenge anymore, and look elsewhere for a "challenge," regardless of what you do - it's just a matter of time. I've seen this from personal experience, as well as from watching relationships of friends. More often than not, that type of woman simply wants what no one can give them over a long period of time, so they ultimately move on.

And I find it telling that the first example of "changing" that you refer to is appearance. Why should I have to work out to attract a woman, if that's not who I am? Do I need to be Buff, Cocky and Funny now?

You mean a ... squid?

a collosal squid.

Give a "Dirty Sanchez" and then dump her.

Nice... or how about a "Cleveland Steamer"? ;-)

What the heck is a "Dirty Sanchez"?

I thought someone might ask... see my new thread "Dirty Sex Vernacular" for more info... chock full of good ways for Ragone to get back at his ungrateful whore of a girlfriend. ;)

lol...it's funny watching HM do his best Ross Jeffries imitations.

I just keep waiting for him to put "Respect the Cock!" in his signature.

Dirty Sanchez Movie

I never said men need to change their appearance. Go read it again. I said men generally don't mind changing their appearance if they think it will help them get more women. I was also saying that once someone who is out of shape gets hooked on working out it becomes a part of the real them after a while of doing it religiously. Changing your attitude is not any different than that.

To answer your question, no you don't need to change anything except your attitude and way of thinking when communicating with women. Women value physical appearance MUCH less than men do. This is, of course, assuming you are decent looking and not a totally gross looking slob. :)

It is obvious to me that you have no idea what I am trying to say/explain. It simply doesn't register in your mind and that is okay. Confidence, cockiness, and humor clearly are not a part of your personality and you have no desire or intention to make them a part of it. What I am saying works for people who want to change and want to improve their social life. You are not one of those people. Your social life is exactly what you want it to be and you are happy with it, so debating this with you is pointless. It would be like me trying to convince you (with my posts alone) that the Catholic religion is better than the the Baptist. If you have been a Catholic all of your life and believe in your heart of hearts it is your ticket to heaven there is nothing I can say to change your mind. However, if you are not happy with your current religious activities and have questions about how to improve it you would listen to me with a more open mind. *These were examples only and you could substiture any two religions or debatable viewpoints.*

Again, Ksyrup, I am not going to continue this with you, because it accompishes nothing. If you are happy then by all means I am also happy for you. :)

HornsManiac

I think we have been through this before. What I believe is nothing like what Ross teaches and you obviously know nothing about Ross or you would not compare me to him.

For those who don't know, Ross teaches an NLP concept that uses specific word patterns designed to seductively place women in a hypnotic like state where you can gently persuade/trick them into thinking they want and need to have sex with you right now. His concept is NOT reality, but for some people memorizing the word patterns DO work. Again, this is nothing like the way I communicate with women.

HornsManiac

HM - I've noticed at the end of your last three posts, you have the comment "But I am not going to continue this conversation" or something similar. And yet, you continue to post in this thread.

Obviously you are cocky, funny and a tad insecure. :)

I prefer to tkae my love advice from a more enlightened source. I follow the true path of Andrew Dice Clay.

Ragone, destiny is calling you and it's calling you to take a different path.

I believe the signs are all right in front of you now. Sometimes is hard for us to make changes, cuz we don't want any pain from it. But I believe in the end, it makes us better people.

It is time for you to make the change my brother, make it and move on, cause there is obviously someone else better for you just waiting for you to sweep her off her feet.

Good Luck bro!

Quick definition for Tony Robbins, aka hornsmaniac


cock·y [ kókee ] (comparative cock·i·er, superlative cock·i·est)
adjective

overconfident: confident and sure of yourself to the point of being arrogant ( informal )



When you start referring to Top Gun for examples its time to get out more... once you start picking up your women at clubs and not in chat rooms, you'll know what it really takes.

Update: She called my cell phone from the airport asking to be picked up.. hah, i told her i was at the lake, she was speechless at that point... I think i said good luck and hung up..

Horns.. while i appreciate the advice.. i don't think using a movie as a example was the best idea.. lemme do a little diaologue

(Setting:A Bar)
Horns:I'm waiting for Kelly Mcginnis to come in so i can be Cocky and funny.. like Tom Cruise in Top Gun

Rick Pitino:Kelly Mcginnis is not coming through that door.. Meg Ryan is not coming through that door.

Good job Ragone, good job. Let her twist in the wind for a while...

Nicely done!

Of course, you'd have a better chance of bestowing upon her the order of the Dirty Sanchez if you had picked her up at the airport, but otherwise, I approve.

Oh man..... You should have at least told her that you would come to pick her up and then not show up.

You are not wanting to debate anything, you are wanting a flame war. Sorry, I am not interested. Once you have something to say that can be debated I will discuss it with you. If you *think* you have it all figured out then let's hear how and why another method - your method - works better. I provide not only instruction, but also the theory behind why and how it works. You seemingly offer nothing outside of Horns you are an idiot who knows absolutely nothing about what you are talking about.

Considering you were not even posting here when the internet fiasco took place you cannot possibly know what you are talking about when you refer to it. To enlighten you, the internet chat was only an example of how I talk to women in a cocky and funny way. It is not where I meet women or rather used to meet them. I needed a way to post on this board a real life interaction with a real woman to show her positive response. An internet chat was the ONLY way to do that.

What do you have to show that your knowledge is greater than mine? If you don't have something to post, which I know you don't due to all of the time you spend hanging out with supermodels, at least give us some theory and instruction to help us be the Romeo you are. Talk is cheap and anyone can say, "I know how to do this or that better than you do." Again, if you know so much let's hear some of it... otherwise shut up and stop baiting me.

HornsManiac

PS... Ksyrup and I did not agree, but at least he offered something up for discussion. :)

That's cool, I understand your point of view. But mine was not that I am not any of those things that you feel women desire, but that men shouldn't have to change to include one or more of those traits in order to feel worthy of a particular kind of woman. Which it seems to me is at the heart of your point. I am not cocky, but two out of three ain't bad. If I only had HA's charisma...

Why are we doing this again?

DONT FEED THE TROLL!!!!

I think it's a slow day

THAT would have been good.. :D

The only troll in this thread is Bishop, and he does need to stop.

I am not starting anything (trolling) I offered my advice and would have dropped it at that if the real troll hadn't jumped into the thread to bait me into a flame war with him.

HornsManiac

Update: She called my cell phone from the airport asking to be picked up.. hah, i told her i was at the lake, she was speechless at that point... I think i said good luck and hung up.. "

Good form, Ragone, good form!

I don't think HM is trolling, he's just doing what he does best - entertaining us all! Personally, I'd rather discuss his "unique" point of view than rehash the pros and cons of the war.

Good job Ragone!!!

TroyF

for all this controversy and discussion between HM and everyone else.. it goes to show one thing: you'll never be able to figure out women.

KSyrup, this may be a shot in the dark, but I think HM was just giving an example of how you can adapt to change and be happy with it.

Actually, HM is making good points (that most may not agree with :))and not flaming.. he's doing nothing wrong today, just expressing his opinion.

A'ight, I'm a lil' late on the response, but thats what happens when you try to catch up quickly! :)

quadruple dola... No wonder Shorty has 4000+ posts...

Not even the courtesy of one "dola." tsk, tsk...

Hey...the 16 year old agrees with ya HM! :D

Horns,

I actually agree with "some" of your points. My problem with you in this thread is your first post.

***In her mind you are a wussy now and will most likely always be one.***

In case I'm missing something here, you've never met Ragone or his girlfriend. You have no idea what she thinks or how Ragone treated her. I know this will come as a major shock to you, but sometimes women either won't sleep with you or stop sleeping with you because of other reasons than "he's a wimp"

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As for your releationship points, I think you assume that if you're single, you are a doormat and that's the reason. The man you describe, as Easy Mac pointed out with his terrific post, is a pathetic doormat.

Two things come to my mind instantly:

1) a majority of men are not doormats
2) some of the ones who are happen to be that way are HAPPY being a doormat. (it takes all kinds, and your happiness doesn't necessarily equate to anyone elses)

I'm with Ksyrup on this one all the way. I will not change who I am so some women will like me. I think ANY guy should simply be himself. Sooner or later, you are going to have to do that anyway, so why waste time creating a phony image? If you are naturally cocky/funny and it works for you, congrats. That doesn't mean it is the only system that works. In most towns there are thousands of available women. So long as you put yourself in positions to meet these women (ie: church, a rec league, a wine tasting, a pottery class, a monster truck rally---whatever the hell it is you like to do), you'll find one that is right for you.

As for the Tom Cruise/Kelly McGillis analogy. . . that's perfect if you look like Tom Cruise and you have a script to read off of. Even in that context, Tom was playing the role of his character, who just happened to be cocky/funny.

If we are using movies, even the geek in Real Genius got lucky. He certainly didn't do it by being either funny or cocky.

TroyF

17, dick! :D

I will give you that it IS possible she has other reasons. However, standing him up three weekends in a row and the fact that Ragone stated the relationship was going well shows me that her feelings for him are not as strong as his for her.

Why aren't hers just as strong? Women who suddenly start pulling stupid stunts like this are doing so for a reason.... and about 99% of the time it is because they have lost interest. This brings me back to my first post that says he should have done more to stimulate her emotionally and mentally and should have kept the relationship fun and exciting.... obviously he didn't do it enough. If he is honest he will admit to us that he began to take her for granted as a result of feeling "comfortable" in the long term relationship. The fun and excitement generated when two mutually attracted people first meet needs to stay there forever in order to keep it together over the long term.

"Wimp" is the definition of a man who allows the woman to always be in control of the relationship and its destiny. You know your woman has the power when you let her get away with standing you up, when she always decides what the two of you are going to do when you go out, your general attitude shows that you are proud to have a catch like her, the majority of your spare time revolves around seeing her, you ALWAYS choose spending time with her over your own friends, she can call you at any time and have you come running when she snaps her fingers, she freely goes out with her girlfriends and gets upset when you want to do the same, and there are many, many more examples of this kind of behavior.

Women do NOT want to be in control... ever. They will act like they do (especially at the beginning), but it is only a test to see if you will give it to them. They test hoping that you won't let them guide the ship, but most "wimpy" men fail this test and most women will eventually leave the "wimpy" man heartbroken and shaking his head trying to figure out how she could leave when he treated her better than anyone she had ever been with.

Like I said, it doesn't make sense to a man when he gives a woman his all and she shits on him for it, but if she is in control it is bound to happen sooner or later. Think about it, how fun would it be to know that you could always get what you wanted, because you had someone else wrapped around your finger and knew you could control him like a puppet? Where is the challenge, adventure, and excitement in that? It is not there and she will lose interest because of it. One of the sweetest words a woman yearns to hear from her man is "No."



1) This is where you are wrong, TroyF. The majority of men ARE doormats and that is why it is so hard for men to understand women as a whole, because as a whole men don't "get it." The reality is women are not nearly as complicated as men think they are... seriously.

2) True, some men are happy being the doormat that gives their woman everything they have financially, emotionally, physically, etc. Are they happy though when they come home from work to find an empty house and a note that says,

"I am sorry, but I just don't love you like I used to and therefore I must go. You are a wonderful man, Mr. Wussyguy, but I no longer felt the passion and excitement we once shared. I tried over and over to tell you, but you just never seemed to understand what I needed and wanted from you. It was not your money, the dedication to your work and your dream to provide us with a secure future, the vacations around the world, the countless dinners at my favorite restaurants, or anything else that you thought I needed to be happy. What I really wanted from you was some excitement like we shared in our younger days. Don't you remember how much fun it used to be when we would go to the lake, lie on a blanket, count the stars, and then make love right there? Do you remember how you used to tease me and call me your little brat and how I would hit you on the arm, give you my little grin, and swear I wasn't one? Don't you remember how exciting it was going out on a Friday night wondering if we would run into each other? We could have easily went out together, but we both had too much pride to admit we REALLY wanted to see each other, so instead we both went out with our own friends and spent the entire night thinking about each other? See, Mr. Wussyguy you always thought flirting was only used in the beginning, but I really needed even more of it down the road and not less like I got from you."



If you TRULY have freedom of choice when it comes to sexy women just by being yourself I am the first person to admit you don't need to change anything. I don't want to help you and I couldn't help you if I wanted to.

If, though, you are at a point in your life where you wished you could date more women and gain the freedom to choose which ones you see then I can help you. If you know that you will find your soulmate sooner or later, but can't help but wonder how many years it will take I can help you speed up the process by meeting more women and increasing your odds. True, we will all find someone sooner or later that is meant for us if we "just be ourselves," but wouldn't it suck to be an aging viagra patient when she walks into your life?



You finally start going to the gym on a regular basis to work out until you have finally lost the extra 50 lbs. you were never able lose before. Is your new healthy figure just a phony image?

I used to be a wussy who couldn't get laid in a whore house with a million dollars, but after years of frustration and heartache I learned there was a better way. I made changes in my life and now I am naturally attractive to women and just being myself works for me. Again, this isn't the same "self" I used to have.



It was only a movie and Cruise is a good looking man. However, the attitude his character had is not fantasy. In fact, that kind of charm is very real world and obtainable for ANY man willing to work at it. You don't have to be great looking to be charming and once you "get it" you don't have to be great looking to land women with looks like hers. :)

HornsManiac

I thought you were leaving or something? Is this like threaten to leave then keep posting week?

You should do infomercials.

When HM says wussy he really means AFC.
Don't worry about the infomercial bit...go directly to the source of his "cocky & funny" mantra. ;)

Being a wuss and a doormat can get you laid, its what you do later that determines if you're going to have a relationship.

And dear God, too many people on this forum are agreeing with me, I need to debate the war more to reverse that.

Oh, and funny works better than cocky. I'm not a looker, but I've gotten some fine girls because I've been witty. Even dumb hot girls will laugh if they think they should.

Tom Cruise in Magnolia, anyone?

Well, for one.. i never take anything for granted.. I try to live my life to the fullest everyday.. i work my ass off.. Make really good money.. and treat people with the utmost respect, and kindness.. and you know what.. if thats not appealing to someone.. then they obviously just aren't very good people i'd want to be around(speaking of said superbitch)

I don't think i'd be happy with someone who wanted me to treat them like shit..

And another thing, I do not let myself be pushed around... Relationships are give and take.. you only get from them what you put in

Who has said anything about treating them like shit? Why do you people keep saying that? I have NEVER said I (or anyone else) treats or should treat a woman like shit. Ragone, rather than presume I do not know what I am talking about and skipping my posts why don't you go back and read everything I have said very carefully.

HornsManiac

Well you made a assumption i was a pushover, who took my relationship for granted.. see, we all can make assumptions

And i do read everything written.. carefully. I appreciate the advice, but your style just isn't me.. Even if it assured me of dating the hottest women on the planet.. i just couldn't be that way..

god damnit....i thought i was at least older than shorty...even if by a year...now hes my age...crap...back on the bottom of the age ladder...

I mean....hi shorty:D . I think we need to start bustin out on the old guys here...ive heard way too many kid/teen jokes in the recent past, and am barley holding in one gigantic old person troll....ive got sooooo many old person jokes...god...

PLEASE!!!!! Someone give me a reason to start bustin them out!!!

Little kids suck

Hope that is adequate :D

you can go screw yourself....i think HM is the only one who actually knows what their talkin about in here...i practice the same methods as HM, and it works great....im dating the head cheerleader of the national champion cheer squad, shes a model, and i got her by using the same methods horns practices...

I work out every day for at least an hour...i flirt like crazy, not even with just hot girls, as even flirting with mild girls gives needed practice to get hotter ones....Being cocky but not arrogant is the best way to get girls....i vow so much to that, but nothing like treating girls like shit...deep down i am one of the sweetest guys you will meet when it comes to girls, but sweet guys dont get the girls...I usewd to only be sweet, and wondered why they all dated the jerks...im going to post a site in the general disscution that in my mind explains women and how they view relationships(taught me a lot!!!!)....a lot of you might do well to read it....it is sooo true, keeps it funny, but taught me a lot of things...it doesn't say it, but it means the same thing HM is sayin...women put sweet people(intellectual whores as the site calls them) on a friends ladder, and cocky confident guys on the dateable ladder...

Ragone, don't tell me im not a good person because im cocky and confident around girls...your quote about being at the lake was pretty cocky, but almost pushed mean....i bet you she will notice it for the better......read the site and youll know what im talking about, but you sound like one big intellectual whore if you ask me...maybe your not, but im going to offer up my advice anyway...im an attractive guy anyway, won prom king as a junior...i wouldn't be nearly this much with out refining my methods....i would be a nice guy that girls go to talk too about their boyfriends....not their boyfriends....

So, in conclusion, before you bash HM, think about how many gurls your ways have gotten, and how many HM and i have...i am most certain HM and i could top you...i would be willing ti go as far as sayin im 100% sure(unless you date all the fat chicks or ugly ones...they will go for anyone)...Im not saying your way is wrong, and not to be a shithead to girl, but really think...ask any girl that hasn't been badly burned in a past relationship if they like badasses....im almost positive you will get a yes...just a few thoughts im sure will be criticized, and im open to any criticisim, and am quite willing to respond to any you can give, because i know that HM and my ways get the best girls...ok...time to chew me out, but know i will criticize right back tomorrow...and you may call me a troll, and i may be trolling, but i hate when guys who don't know what their talking about criticize the ways that work...

I have asked all my closest friends that are girls...not gfs...and they all agree with my post above...

Now go see my thread, and bookmark that site...it should be every mans must-read list....it should be the last chapter in the bible(maybenot)....get over there and read before you fight back...

GGGGGAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

deep breaths....1...2...3...calm...almost you balding deaf man:D ...almost blew there...glad i didn't do anything rash:cool:

Don't worry, I think there's a fourteen year old running around here somewhere...

^ is 14.

Who?

I practice home-sexuality, but I don't seem to be very good at it. Are their any sites that have some good tips, no pun intended, for being a better homo-sexual?