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Who from your favorite team will be on the Mitchell Report?
Reds...
Not sure if they'll show up but I definitely think Boone used and I think Larkin did for at least one season. I don't think he did but I wouldn't be shocked if Griffey's name showed up. |
Worst thread ever
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The Mitchell Report is about as fraudulent as Bud Selig.
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Don't know, Don't care.
And "". to what Dark Cloud said. |
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Selig isn't fraudulent. He's exactly the dumb, self-serving jerk he appears to be. |
That only took 4 posts for Dark Cloud and Crapshoot to come out with their heads-up-their-ass stance. So predictable
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About as long as it took you to come with the "I'm an old self-righteous fart" bit. :rolleyes: |
Astros=Everyone
Crapshoots team=Everyone MLB=Everyone |
Who knows who did it, but a couple of things are clear.
The good guys who did it only did because of injuries. The bad guys who did it only did it to cheat the game. |
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your forgeting, the good guys are the ones the press take turns blowing. the "bad guys" are the ones that dont get along with the press much |
As a Cubs fan, I'll just say Sosa and let anyone else be a suprise :P
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Depends on how far back this goes, but some names I would suspect to see are Brian Giles, Kevin Young, Jay Bell, and Jeff King.
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Is this actually getting released?
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Gagne probably juiced
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I don't expect to see many names. My guess is six to eight total. Just enough to show that baseball is "serious".
I'd guess Brett Boone and probably Aaron as well. I disagree about Larkin. I really doubt it with Griffey. If any of the pitchers were, they didn't get their money's worth. |
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It's been stated that every team will be affected in some way. I have no doubt Larkin used in '96 but I think the whole league was at that point. |
I am going to go out on a limb and say none of the current Marlins will be on the list.
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Burrell, Abreu, Lieberthal, Randy Wolf, David Bell, Jose Fucking Mesa, Lidle(rip)
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Bite me! It was only Caminiti, dammit! I'm gonna throw myself off a bridge when it comes out that Bags juiced :( |
Mike Piazza and Ivan Rodriguez for sure.
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Steve Balboni
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Ronnie Gant
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I don't know if he'll be in the report or not, but I know for a fact that a certain former rookie of the year did one cycle of steroids. A family member of mine went to high school with him and is good friends with him to this day. Let's just say he'll be set for life, but won't be getting a big contract anytime soon.
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Damn you, Jerome Walton and Chris Sabo! SI |
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But I doubt they'll name a lot of players. The liability for doing so would be extreme. If they don't ave a confession or iron clad evidence they would be foolish to list one-hundred names of "probable" users. It would take about a day to get a few billion dollars worth of defamation lawsuits. Of course I also have a hard time believing that baseball will really come clean. It seems so against their nature. |
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haha, nope. think last decade or so. |
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And the winner is Ben Grieve. |
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Hinske? |
Both are logical guesses and one is correct.
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One of my employees went to school with both of the Sweeney brothers and said they were on the juice
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Scott Williamson!?
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<-----Cardinals fan
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Mark McGwire might show up on the list. |
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Fixed. He was my favourite player for awhile because of his stance, OBP, SB, HR power, etc. I really hope he's clean. :(:( |
Giants: Bonds, Santiago, Felix Rodriguez wouldn't shock me, Galaragga, maybe Kent (though he doesn't have the body).
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Galaragga? No way. Not unless you think the entire Rockies organization 'roided up (which I suppose is entirely possible)...
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Bobby Estalella. Not that it did any good. |
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After his cancer with the Giants. He comes to the Giants with all these old guys who are having resurrections (Santiago, for instance) one year and he starts doing well again. Just seems odd. |
Each of the Blake Street Bombers, from what I have heard (which went back to 1995).
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It's interesting to see some names of guys who I might not have thought about. Bagwell will be very interesting to me. I really hope he's not on there but I have a feeling he might very well be.
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BTW, I don't know how anything else can explain when Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in a season.
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That season is either the year it was at it's worst or they were playing with a bouncy-ball that season. The homerun numbers for so many guys were just so far off of their career highs prior to that. |
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His first year back was in 2000 with the Braves where he had a better than expected season with a 122 OPS+. His highest OPS with the Giants was 127. If any year sticks out for Andres, it's the stunning 1998 season with the Braves, when he put together the highest OPS+ of his career at age 37. |
Andruw Jones.
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A couple things here - I have no idea if Brady Anderson was on the juice. I'll assume he was, and I'll assume the majority of ballplayers were in the time period. FWIW, Brady Anderson was always a guy who spent a lot of time in the gym and still does. Now, that could either provide more "evidence" or not based on what you believe. To get back to the point of my original comment - I always find the mention of his hitting 50+ homeruns as evidence of steroid use to be bas-ackwards. He went from 16 HRs to 50 and then back to 18 in 1997. Are we to assume then he took steroids in 1996 but then stopped in '97 when there was absolutely no change in baseball's policy on testing? While the 50 HRs is an eye opener, to use it as proof-positive of steroid use makes no sense. |
Maybe he realized he was killing himself and his girl was pissed that he couldn't get his dick up and he figured it wasn't worth it anymore?
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It seems pretty clear based on statistical analysis that Rafael Belliard was juicing. I mean, his HR/AB jumped from 1 per 2,210 over his first 15 seasons in the league all the way up to 1 per 91 his last 2 seasons. Fuckin' juicer. :mad:
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If it helps, I think the same thing about Larkin. 20 homeruns in 1991 at the age of 27 was his high before. Makes total sense. Then in 1996, at the age of 32, after hitting 15 the year before, he ups it to 33. Probably would have hit 10 the next year had he not been hurt. It's quite possible something was in the ball in 1996. The bottom line for me is that the players, managers, owners, front offices, Selig, and the rest knew they had to get butts back in the seats after the strike in 1994 and 1996 is when the balls started leaving the yards in ridiculous amounts so maybe everyone and their brother was in on it. |
Forgot about the juiced ball being an explanation.
Another guy who we might suspect did it was Luis Gonzales. I remember one day on the sports radio show here they were kind of just going over a list of guys they thought might or might not have done steroids. They get to Luis Gonzales think yes, but call the afternoon host, Jim Trabor, who did color commentary the year before for the D-Backs. He answers about the other guys, then hmmms and haws over Gonzales saying something like "I don't know whether he did or not, but he's such a family man, trying to do the best thing for his family and if he could get a big contract that would set them for life." Not an exact quote, but it was along those lines. |
Clemens
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Dola- What about pitchers? Kevin Brown for some reason comes to my mind.
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Maybe because Kevin Brown is ripped?
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And I guess because he goes from being decent to being a sub 2.00 ERA guy in 1996 when he joins the Marlins featuring Gary Sheffield in the year baseball blew up. |
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Bell? Stupid MoFo must have been doing the wrong stuff... |
How far back are we going?
Dykstra, Hollins, Daulton... |
Oh yeah.....
Lance Parrish |
You could pretty much look at the entire Rangers roster during the Jose Canseco era and be pretty much right on the money. Other rangers of note... Raffy, Ivan Rodriguez, Juan Gonzales, Gabe Kapler, Big Cat, Ken Caminiti, Lance Nix, Gary Mathews Jr., John Wetteland, Jeff Zimmerman, Roberto Kelly, Hank Blalock, Kevin Elster, Dean Palmer, Lee Stevens
All speculation on my part of course. |
Reds: I know this is probably before the report's time, but Rob Dibble juiced like a motherfucker.
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Otis Nixon?
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I predict that only a minority of the players named in the Mitchell report will be power hitters. I think it will skew towards power pitchers and position players who rely on speed over power.
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Like I said. :D |
Mario Mendoza. Everyone knows the TRUE Mendoza line is .100, not .200.
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Dave Kingman ;)
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The Mitchell report apparently going to be released at 2pm tomorrow according to ESPN.com. I've read that its going to be very critical of Selig and the front offices of teams and since Selig will not be at Mitchell's press conference to announce the findings it seems like there's some truth to that.
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Phil Andrews
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Sounds like his name is there. |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153129
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doh!
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LOL That is probably because the entire current Marlins roster was still in diapers when the steroid issue first came into the public eye. Perhaps that is why they traded Cabrera, mmmmmm? ;) |
Sheffield, Pudge, and for some reason I think Kenny Rogers might have.
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Yeah, I am sure that Selig will agree with everything in the report except for the part where they say he and the owners are partly to blame... |
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That is true. Selig is a douchebag. :mad: |
Let's see.....
Bonds (obviously) McGuire (obviously) Juan Gonzalez Kenny Rogers Eric Gagne Roger Clemens Andy Pettite (good friends with Clemens, do the math) Jeff Bagwell Ivan Rodriguez Shawn Green Many others I won't name. Either way, MLB is a joke. Bud Selig is a moron. C'MON BASEBALL, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!!! |
Clemens apparently IS mentioned in the report, from multiple sources, no less.
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Clemens AND Pettitte!
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Haven't seen anything on pettite yet.. but one of the people implicating Clemens was also Pettite's personal trainer..
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I have felt that Clemens was using the juice since his last season or two with the Red Sox. No way does this guy still over power people the way he was without taking SOMETHING. Does not surprise me much. Too bad about Pettite though. Of course, being a Yankee fan I detested Petitte after he left for Houston anyway. :mad: |
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How so? Full disclosure: I interned for Mitchell when he was Senate Majority Leader, so I may have a biased opinion. However, in my opinion, for George Mitchell, see Patrick Fitzgerald, although it's more likely the other way around. I have tremendous respect for Mitchell. I have seen first hand exactly how hard of a worker he is, and he is also very diligent and thoughtful. If Selig wanted a whitewash, he definitely picked the wrong guy. Quote:
I would expect nothing less. Look back on his time in the Senate, and you'll see a guy who was universally respected by his colleagues. Plus, let's not forget that he's the one who finally brokered a real peace agreement in Northern Ireland. I know a lot of people are going to try and discredit the report, but they'll be trying to discredit the wrong person. |
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Not saying anything about him personally or about what he's done (I plead ignorance), but isn't it true that his "investigation" really was more about getting reports from people on what they had seen/heard? There were some stories about trainers/clubhouse guys who felt that they were being bullied to name names, so I'm questioning where there is any EVIDENCE of wrongdoing. Of course, I could be proven wrong when the report comes out. I just don't really understand how an investigative team with absolutely no subpoena power and no real legal ground to stand on can come up with solid evidence. Not saying solid evidence is needed for people to believe what they want to believe... |
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The assumption from a lot of those that have been bashing the investigation since they announced it is that Mitchell is a lap dog for Selig and the sole pupose of this is to throw out a bit of info on steroid use in baseball in a one-sided manner to appease fans and congress. I think anyone that actually has knows anything about Mitchell knows that couldn't be further from the truth. I had no doubt he would put out the best and fairest report he possibly could. Selig would have been an idiot to get someone that would do anything less since this report is going to be heavily scrutinized by fans, and most importantly congress. What I've found ammusing is Mitchell refused to give the MLBPA an advanced copy of the report since they refused to cooperate in the investigation. The guy earned bonus points with me there. |
I've seen an apparent list on a couple websites, (won't post it all), but yes, the Yanks and Sox do get several names of past and former players on the list. (Including Jason Varitek, which I really feel disappointed about).
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Another assumption in the report was that since he works for the Red Sox he'd hold back names from that organization.... |
Here's the list that I've seen: Take with a grain of salt, as I said, it's all from "sources" from different boards:
Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Pior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts,Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood. |
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Varitek? ESPN has said that there are no names from the Red Sox and Mets. Hmmmmm..........:confused: :confused: |
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El Guapo deserves some sort of special achievement award for getting fat on steroids. |
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Agreed. Mitchell is an honest broker. If they continue to distance themselves from the report, Selig and the owners will lose a lot of respect. Their reaction will be very telling. |
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See also Andruw Jones As long as there's no Smoltz or Chipper, I'll be happy |
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Some of these names are mildly surprising to me, but I guess if I really think about it they make sense. Garciaparra probably with all his injuries. Johnny Damon is a HUGE disappointment to me if it is true. Probably the biggest disappointment on here though is Pujols. It seems to me that he is too young and talented to need performance enhancers. Maybe he took stuff to get through an injury. I dunno, but it goes to show that we can't trust any of these guys anymore. In addition, how do we really know what to believe anymore anyway? All I know is that Selig really screwed up this great game for many generations, past, present, and future. :mad: :( |
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There was no chance Schoenweis wasn't on the list since he's already been busted. Fernando Tatis will be named apparently and he's in AAA for us. |
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Perhaps it was from when Varitek was on the Mariners? That said, it'd be very disappointing for me as well if Tek was on the list. |
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Many of the owners have not reacted at all to any of this, so I seriously doubt they will say anything after the report comes out either. Selig is in a position where he is forced to react to it due to the nature of his job. Regardless of how he reacts to this, his legacy is etched in stone as an incompetent moron. :mad: |
Here is hoping for more creativity when the players deny or give excuses for their PED use. The major ones (Did not know what I was taking, injuries, etc.) are played out.
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God bless Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey Jr...the true baseball heroes of the 1990's...
Don't forget, Mitchell probably only had a few sources that squeeled, many players will be thanking their lucky stars tommorow... |
Deadspin posted the list with a story, and then later updated the list with the following.
(UPDATE: A source inside baseball says this list is "not entirely accurate." Emphasis ours.) |
When I saw Tejada had been traded I figured it was cause he was going to show up on the report.
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Don't see any current Royals, but I'm not sure that's all that surprising. We're obviously not cheating well enough because we're not winning enough. :)
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The Braves look to be pretty clean. Time for MLB to do the right thing and retroactively award us the last 3-5 World Series titles.
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I thought pretty much the same thing when I saw Mark Prior's name on that list, since the Cubs decided last night not to offer him a contract for next year.... Also, disappointed and actually pretty surprised to see Kerry Wood's name show up (although it makes sense w/ all the injuries I guess..) |
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I bet Rocker did enough roids to cover the rest of the roster. |
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At least now I know that if I want to hate blacks and gays, I just need to do lots of roids. |
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