OT: The FOFC Music Draft
 

Hell yeah!

Welcome to the FOFC Music Draft.

How to play:
If you want to play, PM me. If there's a lot of interest, I'll randomly select ten players. By "randomly" I mean that after a day or so, I'll "randomly" pick whichever ten people I want.

The draft will be conducted via the forum, in this thread. When it's your turn to draft, you post, ideally with a brief note about the reason for your choice. If you won't be around, you PM someone else your picks in advance to keep things moving. You will agree to this, and then not do it. This will slow up the draft and annoy everyone. You won't care, you selfish prick.

The draft is a serpentine draft -- that the order reverses each round. Draft order will be determined before we start.

You will be drafting songs from popular music. This includes rock, pop, country, rap, etc. It does not include classical music, national anthems, ring tones, or anything else. Don't get tricky.

How to win:
The fun here comes more from the draft itself than from actually winning, but just in case it matters: Once the draft is done, we'll hold a vote and let FOFC choose the winner. FOFC will pick someone shitty. They always do.

The rosters
You will draft a "team" of ten songs. The idea is to assemble the best possible roster, using your awesome knowledge of music as well as your crafty drafting skills. Trades are allowed, as long as they don't slow down the action (the idea is to keep things moving as quickly as possible).

Your team will consist of ten songs, at the following positions:

- The Classic. This song has stood the test of time.
- The Epic. This is a sprawling masterpiece that makes you reach for your lighter.
- The Arena Rocker. The kind of song that kicks the most ass when performed in front of 20,000 or so drunk people.
- The Trendsetter. A song that helped shaped the music to come after it. Tread carefully -- go too obscure and the voters will punish you.
- The Love Song. Self-explanatory.
- The One-Hit Wonder. Admit it, most of them are good. Oh yes they are!
- The Party Song. A song that celebrates sex, drugs, booze, or some combination.
- The Crossover Hit. This is a song that mixes and matches musical genres.
- The Cover. A song that covers something that came before (not the original)
- The Anti-Establishment Song. The best music is the kind that gives the big F.U. to authority.

Obviously many songs will fit into multiple categories. Finding the right spot for each pick is part of the strategy. Once you've drafted a song, you can't re-assign it later.

Additional rules thrown in to make it needlessly complicated

- No artist can be used more than once. Once somebody has chosen a song from a singer/band, all their work is off the board.

We will be pretty general here. A singer and his/her band are the same artist (Bruce Springsteen is the same as Bruce Springsteen and the E-Street Band). A band is the same band even if some members change (Genesis with Peter Gabriel is the same as Genesis with Phil Collins). An artist can appear multiple times only if they were in separate and distinct bands (The Beatles and Wings are separate artists).

The only exception will be songs that are done by a collection of different artists. "We are the world" does not wipe half the artists from the 80s off the board.

When in doubt, check with the commish (that's me, genius) before you pick.

- No song can be chosen more than once, even if it was done by multiple artists. (This applies to songs in the Cover category too.)

- At least two of your songs must be sung by a female

A few notes:
The draft is open to everyone -- observers are welcome. Discussion of picks is encouraged.

In general, it's considered very poor form to suggest picks during the draft -- the equivalent of being the guy who doesn't play poker but sits at the rail and shouts out to get attention. However, it will happen. If you're the sort of person who thinks you'd be really, really bothered by this, do yourself a favor and don't play.

A final note:
If the idea of doing a just-for-fun draft strikes as you as stupid and/or pathetic, but you're the type of person who likes to post about text sims on an internet forum... well, you may want to give this a miss until your sense of irony develops a little more.

If you want to play, PM me now. If I have enough entries by tomorrow, the draft will start then. In your PM, you must include your top three picks so that if you forget to check back we don't all have to wait for you (although your picks won't be used unless there's a delay).

What about best performance by a video game character?

This might be the best draft FOFC history!

Brilliant idea!

I would love to do this but I'm going to have spotty access Friday and the weekend. Damn.

I would love to join, but I think I will pass based on my lack of music knowledge compared to what I think some people around here have.

Keep in mind, the winner is voted on by the general public. Too much music knowledge may actually hurt here.

I'd love to be in as well. ML, weren't you the original guy who set up the TV show draft?

I'm in...

Oooooo... :D

Reminder:
If you've PMed me but didn't send your top three, please re-send.

I'm going to follow this, but not participate because I know I'm going to be very busy over the next week or two.

Can I get some clarification on The Crossover?

Is this a song that mixes genres, or a song that crosses genre lines on the music charts?

I think either would apply, although I was mainly thinking of a genre-mixer.

I didn't really put any thought into this.

Sounds good. :) I have a lot of positions that have a clear #1 for me, but fall off to either lameness or nothingness after that.

I'll follow along, but won't participate. I think this is the first "OT" thread I've seen started here in a long time.

I am voting for the person with the most pink floyd songs

So given the rules first person to 1 gets your vote?

This should be very interesting.

I'm voting for the person with the most posts.

Do you have 10 yet?

I don't think mailing in 3 picks is a good idea since one of the values of a FOFC draft is to see how others are picking and play off of them. But I understand drafts getting hung up too.

I have about 20, counting people who didn't follow the instructions about sending picks.

Will probably choose ten tomorrow morning.

Picks will only be used if someone is not around and it causes a delay. Everyone will get an hour or two at least to make their own picks

they just won't be considered w/o a pink floyd song

Last call for entries... I'll post the ten players in about a half hour or so and we'll get started.

I will be be watching if not participating in this. Looking forward to seeing the draft picks.

I'm not participating, but I'll be watching, too. Great idea.

Would someone be kind enough to go to http://random.org/sform.html, generate a random sequence of numbers 1-10, and post it here?

2
4
6
7
1
9
5
3
8
10

someone load up on billy joel songs

Thanks JPhillips...

Here are the ten players, in order of signup:
Maple Leafs
Subby
lordscarlet
Lathum
vtbub
NoMyths
Butter_of_69
Buccaneer
ntndeacon
Oilers9911

And here's the randomly chosen draft order:
1 -Subby
2 - Lathum
3 - NoMyths
4 - Butter_of_69
5 - Maple Leafs
6 - ntndeacon
7 - vtbub
8 - lordscarlet
9 - Buccaneer
10 - Oilers9911

I'm going to post a couple of guidelines for picks, and then we'll get started.

I'm sure Lathum is a wolf.

Oh. God. The. Pressure.

Represent the Green and Gold.

w0rd.

There is zero doubt that this idea was conceived while tanked on Molson.

There is also zero doubt that it's brilliant. Will eagerly be following...

How to make your picks:

Please cut and paste the following each time you make a pick:

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Then fill in your pick in this format:
Anti-Establishment - 1.1 It's Not Easy Being Green, Kermit the Frog

Make sure to include the artist. Keep cutting and pasting your own chart so it fills up as you go through the draft.

Of course you're encouraged to also include a few words about your pick and why you made it.

If you won't be around to make a choice, please PM me a pick or two in advance. I generally won't use your pick for you until a few hours has gone by, unless you let me know you definitely won't be around. If you don't want to PM me because you think I'll steal your picks (and I probably will) find someone else to help you. One of the people who expressed interest in this thread but didn't get to play would be a good candidate.

This isn't a speed challenge, but please don't be the one who causes delays. I reserve the right to replace anyone who takes to long with one of the other people who wanted to play.

You're responsible for making sure your picks are valid (i.e. artist or song hasn't already been picked). If you make an invalid pick and then leave the forum, we reserve the right to invoke the Minnesota Vikings rule and keep going without you (in which case you'll get to repick whenever you get back).

Trading of songs and/or future picks is allowed. If you make a trade, have both people post it in this thread. Please do not hold up the draft to negotiate a deal.

The draft has begun... Subby is on the clock with pick #1.1.

SUBBY YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG!

I think he's going with Jeff George.

I think his post is a hint to take Under Pressure.

Do I get to represent half the colors? If so, I pick gold.

Vegas has just set the final over/under on bannings resulting from this thread at 1.5

I'm not sure if that gpa over 2 years even earns you one full color ;).

I think a lot of the fun will come in the judging. For example, do we give more credit for the "level" of One-Hit Wonder? How about bonus points for actually being good and lasting the test of time? Bonus points for completely sucking? Bring it on.

SUBBY, I AM WAITING WITH BAIT ON MY BREATH.

Woot! Should be a good time. :)

Some of the categories, particularly one-hit wonder, have a lot of potential for comedic poinits - but that could lose as many, if not more, voters than it gains.

We'll come out of the gate with a sure thing, Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven. I just played it backwards to make sure it was still urging me to worship SATAN and since it still is, I HAVE TO HAVE IT.

This probably could have been EPIC in addition to CLASSIC but there are just so many other great EPICS, that I want to save that slot for later (much like the CHANCE slot in Yahtzee).

Classic -Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin 1-1
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Didn't you read the sign. Clearly says NO STAIRWAY.

I think this was a great pick of song, but I have to disagree on category.. I think this is clearly the best Epic song and would have been my #1 choice... as classics go, I think it's merely one of a lot of other good choices.

Without naming other songs, I can think of at least 5 others that I would consider way more epic.

Whenever classic rock format XL-102 in Richmond had their "Top 500 songs of all time" Stairway was always #1. This is how I was raised. :)

I had another #1.

Stairway was my #1A

I'm interested to see what you thought were better epics... I'm by no means a music expert, far from it...

I would however, think of at least 5 or 10 songs that to me are better values for Classics.. anyway... interested to see how it plays out...

I am not unhappy to see Stairway off the board. I'm not sure I would have made it my #1 classic. And maybe not even my #1 from Zeppelin.

*OMINOUS PIANO CHORD!*

Yeah yeah - we know you will pick like five Elliott Smith and two Tom Waits songs just to show us HOW AWESOME YOU ARE!! :mad::mad::mad:

Stairway is probably a worthy top pick.

Lathum is on the clock with pick #1.2. I'll give him an hour to make a pick, otherwise I'll use the one he originally sent.

DOH! Quit giving away my draft list!!!1 :mad:

dola...

And Lathum better not steal Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music from me...

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana- 1.2
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

I can't think of a song that changed a generation of music more. I almost went with the thong song, it was a tough choice.

Dang, sorta. On the other hand...

:mad:

I knew that one wouldn't last long

Agreed, but it was not on my list as #1 trendsetter.

NoMyths, you know you're up, right?

I love this thread. I wish I was participating

A hard, hard thing to choose between by top picks. At the end of the day, I had to go with the American iconoclast, who probably stands as the most important musician the country has produced. This is his greatest achievement.

Classic - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - 1.3
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Damn, give a brotha half an hour! ;)

I'm at work. :mad:

Butter_of_69 is on the clock at 1.4.

I'll give him a little while to make a pick. However, the pick he sent is so strong that I don't mind making it for him if he's not around soon.

I have to say that I think you put Dylan on a much higher pedestal than many others.

I'm unbothered by where I put Dylan in any discussion with folks who know much about music. ;)

Not that you shouldn't, but you probably could've held that pick for a couple rounds.

My #1 is now starting to fidget a bit in its suit in the green room.

This is where Maple Leafs comment about "knowing too much" about music could hurt you in this game comes into play.

Incidentally, I think Stairway to Heaven was in over half of the "top three" submissions I got.

I'm curious how the scoring will work. Will you do 10 points for Top votes in a category followed by 9 for 2nd, ect... or will it just be a contest to see who can get the most Top vote categories?

It's just a straight-up poll thread. The lists are shown and then the masses get to decide who has the best "team".

In the past we just did a poll. But I suspect that when the draft is over I'll consider various scoring methods, and go with whichever one gives me the best chance to win.

In English:

Whoever picks G'N'R.

Mel how do you feel about the first three picks so far.




1 and 2 went right where I felt they could go. These songs are solid choices in their categories and if a team has a need at that position they are clear selections. Pick 3 for Like a Rolling Stone really blows me away. I had this one in the mid to late rounds and I'm baffelled. This pick will not sit well with the mainstream fans.

I have to agree, you can hear those Giants fans booing already.

I'll make Butter's pick at noon EST (20 minutes).

Up next, as of now:
1.4 Butter
1.5 Leafs
1.6 Deacon
1.7 vtbub

I'm surprised that folks are shocked by Like a Rolling Stone. I suppose I'll pick Chumbawumba's "Tubthumper" next. :P

Me too, actually. I wouldn't have it ranked at #1.3 but I think the odds of it still being there for your second round pick was less than 50/50.

My problem is that Stairway is already a better selection for that category. There are 8 categories that haven't been opened yet, you should have gone for the best in that category first.

Well after butter picks it looks like we will get through the others quickly as Leafs, deacon and vtbub are all online right now

My thought process was also along the lines of defining songs...while there are plenty of bands who have a ton of great songs still on the board, I can see the vote being split over folks who feel the choice of Great Band's Song X over Song Y is terrible. Taking Dylan off the board with LARS -- aside from it is being of the greatest songs ever written and a trendsetter -- avoids that argument somewhat.

No risks = no rewards. Though I'm truly baffled that this pick is seen as risky. I'd have not been surprised to see the song go #1 overall, and would have taken it there myself.

Here's Butter's selection.... I love this pick.

Classic -
Epic - 1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Strategerie, my friend. I have other controversial picks for those categories lined up. ;)

Trade alert

vtbub and I have swapped picks in the first and second rounds. He gets picks 1.5 and 2.6, I get picks 1.7 and 2.4.

vtbub is on the clock at 1.5

Butter's pick would have been my #1 if I was in this thing.

GOLD!

unbeatable...

Interesting... not even my top Queen pick... I think I would have thrown "We are the Champions or "We Will Rock You" as Arena rock over this one here.

I almost picked that one

Picks like these can win these drafts.

The more I think about this, the more I think Butter was smarter with Queen than I would have been ;).

That was my 1-1 pick (if I had one). Good choice. :D

Classic - Yesterday- The Beatles 1.5
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -


The most covered song in the world is my classic pick.

There are tons of Arena songs to chose from, I can think of many many songs out there that would be ahead of either of those.

You're kidding, right? Dylan is probably the greatest artist in American music (hell, music) of the last 50 years.

Bob Dylan appears to be the Vince Young of this draft.

Perhaps for music buffs.

For the general public, I don't think that you'd get a strong vote for Dylan. That's all I'm sayin'.