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RomaGoth 09-28-2009 09:58 AM

The OFFICIAL 2009-10 NHL Regular Season Thread
 
The regular season begins October 1. I am excited, been looking forward to seeing what the Wings can do this season without some of last year's players.

Are you all ready?
:popcorn:

johnnyshaka 09-28-2009 10:16 AM

Went to the Oilers' final preseason game last night and they actually looked pretty good. Top line scored a few PP markers (although I think they really need to revamp what they do on the PP) and the 2nd line scored a few beauties as well. A couple of fights including a "junior-style" tilt where Brule...yes, former #6 overall...squaring off at center ice and removing their lids and actually having a nice little dance. And then Brule actually had a hand in the OT winner as he won the draw and went to the net as Gilbert ripped a blast from the point.

From all accounts...and appearances...Quinn and company looks like he's going to try and have 3 scoring lines with two "skill" guys per line with that third guy being a big guy...whether it be Moreau, Penner, Jacques, S or even Stortini...to either create a little space or else make sure the "little" guys don't get run over. I like the concept, and from what I saw, but we'll see how it works out.

RomaGoth 09-28-2009 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka (Post 2128429)
Went to the Oilers' final preseason game last night and they actually looked pretty good. Top line scored a few PP markers (although I think they really need to revamp what they do on the PP) and the 2nd line scored a few beauties as well. A couple of fights including a "junior-style" tilt where Brule...yes, former #6 overall...squaring off at center ice and removing their lids and actually having a nice little dance. And then Brule actually had a hand in the OT winner as he won the draw and went to the net as Gilbert ripped a blast from the point.

From all accounts...and appearances...Quinn and company looks like he's going to try and have 3 scoring lines with two "skill" guys per line with that third guy being a big guy...whether it be Moreau, Penner, Jacques, S or even Stortini...to either create a little space or else make sure the "little" guys don't get run over. I like the concept, and from what I saw, but we'll see how it works out.


I watched a preseason game a few nights ago between the Oilers and Lightning. Is Penner considered an official "bust" if he is now a physical/tough guy on a line with 2 other "skill" guys?

johnnyshaka 09-28-2009 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2128436)
I watched a preseason game a few nights ago between the Oilers and Lightning. Is Penner considered an official "bust" if he is now a physical/tough guy on a line with 2 other "skill" guys?


Is Penner what we thought (or hoped) he'd be after two years...probably not. So, I guess in those terms, he's definitely a bust but has two years and a fresh start (new coaching staff) to turn that around.

I guess that "physical/tough" guy could also be called "power forward" and I think that's what we all want Penner to be and he has shown that he can be that guy on a few occasions. I think Jacques (the guy who's going to start the season next to Horcoff and Hemsky) is going to be facing the same expectations...so, these two guys are going to be the keys to success, I think, and their contributions both in the physical and offensive departments are going to be under a microscope for the first month or two of the season.

RomaGoth 09-28-2009 10:53 AM

The NHL is better when Canadian teams are successful. Especially Edmonton, Toronto, and Montreal.

johnnyshaka 09-28-2009 11:01 AM

LOL...glad you didn't say Calgary!!

Lathum 09-28-2009 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka (Post 2128458)
LOL...glad you didn't say Calgary!!


That's his other favorite team.

Lathum 09-28-2009 11:51 AM

Looking forward to the Devils having another solid year, than giving up 2 goals in the final minute of game 7 to lose in the first round.

I wonder if Brandon Jacobs plays hockey?

RomaGoth 09-28-2009 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2128494)
Looking forward to the Devils having another solid year, than giving up 2 goals in the final minute of game 7 to lose in the first round.

I wonder if Brandon Jacobs plays hockey?


Wouldn't he play for the Rangers?

Lathum 09-28-2009 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2128543)
Wouldn't he play for the Rangers?


No, Giants play in New Jersey.

RomaGoth 09-28-2009 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2128586)
No, Giants play in New Jersey.


Yeah, and I still find it funny that they are called the NY Giants (just like the NY Jets).

Lathum 09-28-2009 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2128587)
Yeah, and I still find it funny that they are called the NY Giants (just like the NY Jets).


Statue of Liberty is also in Jersey, but yet again, we get shafted.

RomaGoth 09-28-2009 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2128603)
Statue of Liberty is also in Jersey, but yet again, we get shafted.


I blame it on the French.

claphamsa 09-28-2009 02:41 PM

GO AVS!!!!!

Pumpy Tudors 09-28-2009 04:55 PM

The Devils and Ducks play against each other on my birthday this year (November 11). The Niedermayer brothers will be competing against each other for the first time in years. I'm looking forward to it, as I was always used to cheering for Scott.

Then again, Rob may get waived by the Devils long before November comes around. I don't really expect a whole lot out of him.

RomaGoth 09-28-2009 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2128792)
The Devils and Ducks play against each other on my birthday this year (November 11). The Niedermayer brothers will be competing against each other for the first time in years. I'm looking forward to it, as I was always used to cheering for Scott.

Then again, Rob may get waived by the Devils long before November comes around. I don't really expect a whole lot out of him.


Meh, maybe Colin White will get hurt and Rob will have to fill in for him on the blueline. :D

Pumpy Tudors 09-28-2009 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2128796)
Meh, maybe Colin White will get hurt and Rob will have to fill in for him on the blueline. :D

Wow, it's like going from drinking battery acid to drinking slightly diluted battery acid.

RomaGoth 09-28-2009 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2128801)
Wow, it's like going from drinking battery acid to drinking slightly diluted battery acid.


There's a difference?

TurnerONU22 09-28-2009 06:10 PM

Jackets make a trade, acquiring D Anton Stralman from Calgary for a 3rd Rd Pick.

Anybody know much about him? All I've read is that he's still young and has a right handed shot, something the Jackets sorely need.

Suburban Rhythm 09-28-2009 07:17 PM

Season hasn't started yet...and Ticketmaster (with an assist from the Pens) pissing me off!

I've always had 2 seats. The row I am in, begins with seat 2. I was sold seats 3 and 4 from the beginning, in 2004. It worked out pretty well, once we started taking our daughter to games. Usually that single wasn't sold, I'd slide down, she sat in the middle.

Fast forward a couple years, to where she needed her own ticket (3 and under free). I'd buy that seat separate as needed, my son was young enough to not need his own seat.

Now this season-- several factors: both kids needing their own seats, promotion at work, new bldg opening next year, I got 4 seats.
Seats 2 - 5.

Last week all the tickets arrive. Great.

I assume most other teams also have this Ticketmaster Exchange program, where you can sell your tickets via the web, TM credits your account, as well as charges a fee to the buyer.

I go in to check out my seats, and they are listed as follows:

Seat 2
___________________

Seat 3
Seat 4
___________________

Seat 5

Basically, I can not sell all 4 together. I can sell 3 and 4 together. And 2 as a single. And 5 as a single.

So I spent about an hour on the phone with someone from the Pens ticket office trying to get this fixed. They are saying that since I bought 2 and 5 separate, they are listed separate.

Yet, somehow, I received all 4 sets in the same package via Fed Ex last week. So I asked them to send me each of those two seats, 2 and 5, separately, in their own envelopes. They questioned why, since I already had the tickets. My reasoning is I am being told they are separate. She says "But they are all going to the same address"

FUCKING EXACTLY!!!!

I know it's not this woman's fault...it's the way TM coded them. But, Jesus Christ, FIX IT!

[/rant off]

Anyway...once I get past that, I am excited to see a Cup title defense. Lineup is pretty much set:

Kunitz - Crosby - Guerin
Fedotenko - Malkin - Kennedy
Cooke - Staal - Dupuis/Conner
Rupp - Adams - Godard/Conner/Dupuis

Orpik - Gonchar
Letang - Eaton
Goligoski - McKee

Fleury
Johnson

Tyler Kennedy pretty much wrapped up the job opposite Fedotenko on Malkin's line. Talbout is out thru November, and none of the 1st year guys grabbed the spot.

They signed Chris Conner from Dallas in the summer, and he's played really well in the preseason. He and Dupuis might split time, or both dress games that Godard doesn't.

Suburban Rhythm 09-29-2009 07:27 PM

Penguins make a pair of minor moves yesterday and today, but it makes tons of sense.

Martin Skoula signed for 1 year, $575K. He'll be the #7 guy. Shero has always made sure to have enough depth on the blue line to make it through the season.

Skoula had been in Florida and Columbus on tryouts during camps, cut last week by the Jackets.

With guys like Mark Eaton and Jay McKee who have some injury history, they have a solid cheap veteran in place now.

Also, they signed Ryan Bayda to a 1 year deal, 2 way, $500K. He'll probably stick around as the 13th forward for now, and gives them another guy to fit into the bottom 6, especially when Godard sits.

JetsIn06 09-29-2009 07:36 PM

I just signed up for the NHL GameCenter thing and will now get all of the regular season games.

This is literally my first time following hockey. I've always liked it, but it's never on TV so I never got a chance to follow. This should really help a lot.

My biggest issue: I think I'm a Coyotes fan. :banghead:

This always happens...I get a sports game, pick a shitty team to play as, learn all of their players, and then become a fan.

Me and the Coyotes go back to NHL98.

Suburban Rhythm 09-29-2009 07:51 PM

Handful of other moves today

Some serviceable guys waived-

Brad Lukowich
Randy Jones (Dr Sak should be pleased)
Adam Hall
Chris Bourque
Possibly Matt Lashoff from Tampa

Rob Schremp waived by Oilers, already claimed by the Isles

Also, Robert Lang signs with Phoenix (there you go Jets a reason to, er, cheer) pending a physical.
Atlanta signs Max Afinogenov.

lynchjm24 09-29-2009 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetsIn06 (Post 2129876)
I just signed up for the NHL GameCenter thing and will now get all of the regular season games.

This is literally my first time following hockey. I've always liked it, but it's never on TV so I never got a chance to follow. This should really help a lot.

My biggest issue: I think I'm a Coyotes fan. :banghead:

This always happens...I get a sports game, pick a shitty team to play as, learn all of their players, and then become a fan.

Me and the Coyotes go back to NHL98.


Your name is Jetsin06. It only makes sense that you like the Coyotes.

The NHL starts on Oct 1st? Yikes. Someone send me a PM if they ever move the southern teams back north.

RomaGoth 09-29-2009 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetsIn06 (Post 2129876)
I just signed up for the NHL GameCenter thing and will now get all of the regular season games.

This is literally my first time following hockey. I've always liked it, but it's never on TV so I never got a chance to follow. This should really help a lot.

My biggest issue: I think I'm a Coyotes fan. :banghead:

This always happens...I get a sports game, pick a shitty team to play as, learn all of their players, and then become a fan.

Me and the Coyotes go back to NHL98.


Here, let me help you with that. ;)


Galaxy 09-29-2009 08:43 PM

Go Sabres!

They have three guys to let go by tomorrow (could be less depending on how they handle the injuries to Adam Mair and Toni Lydman). The big questions will be if they keep rookies Tim Kennedy, who was one of the best players in the last two or three pre-season games, and defensemen Tyler Myers, who either has to return to the WHL or stay with the Sabres. Myers is certainly causing a lot of talk due to his sheer potential (6'7.5'' frame, extremely physical, and stellar performance last year in the WHL and world juniors).

JetsIn06 09-29-2009 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynchjm24 (Post 2129886)
Your name is Jetsin06. It only makes sense that you like the Coyotes.


Heh...I thought the same thing!

Honolulu_Blue 09-29-2009 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm (Post 2129879)
Handful of other moves today

Some serviceable guys waived-

Randy Jones (Dr Sak should be pleased)


I had no idea Randy Jones was making something like $3 million a year. That's crazy. That goes back to our earlier conversation in the off-season thread about a pay structure for your defense. Now, granted, at the time I imagine the Flyers thought Jones would be a 3rd/4th defensemen, but you can't be paying your 5th or 6th guy $3 million, not even close.

Suburban Rhythm 09-29-2009 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2129967)
I had no idea Randy Jones was making something like $3 million a year. That's crazy. That goes back to our earlier conversation in the off-season thread about a pay structure for your defense. Now, granted, at the time I imagine the Flyers thought Jones would be a 3rd/4th defensemen, but you can't be paying your 5th or 6th guy $3 million, not even close.


Yeah...I think most would agree Carle is a better player than Jones, but offer a similar skill set. So they were paying Carle like $3.5 and Jones $2.75-- and heading into the year, they would be together on the 3rd pair (Sak can correct me on that, I am assuming Parent, Coburn, Timonen and Pronger were set in the top 4).

Dr. Sak 09-29-2009 10:09 PM

Yeah Randy Jones was basically going to be a 3rd pairing guy. He had hip surgery last year and hasn't really recovered since. He thought the offseason rest was going to help but he had a really bad preseason and with JVR and Mika Pyorala stepping up, Jones became expendable.

bbor 09-29-2009 10:17 PM

I have great news!!

My wife is working late on Thursday......that means a full night of NHL hockey for me!!!!!!!!!!

O happy day

Dr. Sak 09-30-2009 10:18 AM

Sundin retries...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=293154

RomaGoth 09-30-2009 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2130369)


I like how he waits until a day before the season starts. Guess nobody wants to pay him this time around.

Travis 09-30-2009 01:22 PM

So when Pat Quinn was brought in as the Oilers coach, I think a lot of the fans were hoping for change. Now I never hid the fact that I thought MacT's time here was done quite a while ago, but I do appreciate the poetic justice that leaves Quinn with largely the same player group to utilize this season so that there may be some insight gained into how much of the blame should fall on the (former) coach, the players and/or the front office.

That said, back to the changes. I had hoped we might start the season with Horcoff on the 3rd line in 5 on 5 situations, plugged into a defensive role, logging a ton of PK time and taking important defensive zone face offs, never to be heard of on the PP. Now how he'll be used on special teams is still up for debate, but he'll start the season as the #1 center skating on a line with Hemsky and JF Jacques who has excelled as a scorer in the minors but failed miserably as a 4th line banger any time MacT brought him up.

Instead, we see another MacT favorite demoted from the 2nd line to the 4th (at least to start the season) in Sam Gagner. Obviously things can change by the time the puck is dropped but he is currently slated to skate on a line with Zach "the fighter formerly known as Huggybear" Stortini and the captain, Ethan Moreau. How he'll take to this demotion and how he'll evolve his game given that his line mates aren't exactly known for the offensive prowess, who knows.

Other changes, well, Gilbert Brule cracks the lineup as does Ryan Stone. Robert Nilsson is on the outside looking in while Fernando Pisani is likely going to be on the IR for quite some time. Andrew Cogliano has been ousted from the center position and will roam on the wing while the one real new addition up front, Mike Comrie, will play on a line with Dustin Penner and Patrick O'Sullivan.

It's going to be an interesting start to the season in Edmonton. I'm assuming there'll be some line blending and adjusting of roles depending on who starts hot, but given such a common player base to what MacT had, the combinations and roles players are being asked to play already show a very different flavor. This was a team widely regarded as a challenger to the NW Division title prior to last season, be interesting to see if they can deliver on those aspirations this season.

bhlloy 09-30-2009 01:28 PM

SR - I read that Carle was going to be on the top pairing with Pronger. I hope that's the case seeing as I just drafted him in the Fantasy thread for that very reason.

Dr. Sak 09-30-2009 01:46 PM

Carle as been playing along side Pronger all preseason.

RomaGoth 09-30-2009 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis (Post 2130534)
So when Pat Quinn was brought in as the Oilers coach, I think a lot of the fans were hoping for change. Now I never hid the fact that I thought MacT's time here was done quite a while ago, but I do appreciate the poetic justice that leaves Quinn with largely the same player group to utilize this season so that there may be some insight gained into how much of the blame should fall on the (former) coach, the players and/or the front office.

That said, back to the changes. I had hoped we might start the season with Horcoff on the 3rd line in 5 on 5 situations, plugged into a defensive role, logging a ton of PK time and taking important defensive zone face offs, never to be heard of on the PP. Now how he'll be used on special teams is still up for debate, but he'll start the season as the #1 center skating on a line with Hemsky and JF Jacques who has excelled as a scorer in the minors but failed miserably as a 4th line banger any time MacT brought him up.

Instead, we see another MacT favorite demoted from the 2nd line to the 4th (at least to start the season) in Sam Gagner. Obviously things can change by the time the puck is dropped but he is currently slated to skate on a line with Zach "the fighter formerly known as Huggybear" Stortini and the captain, Ethan Moreau. How he'll take to this demotion and how he'll evolve his game given that his line mates aren't exactly known for the offensive prowess, who knows.

Other changes, well, Gilbert Brule cracks the lineup as does Ryan Stone. Robert Nilsson is on the outside looking in while Fernando Pisani is likely going to be on the IR for quite some time. Andrew Cogliano has been ousted from the center position and will roam on the wing while the one real new addition up front, Mike Comrie, will play on a line with Dustin Penner and Patrick O'Sullivan.

It's going to be an interesting start to the season in Edmonton. I'm assuming there'll be some line blending and adjusting of roles depending on who starts hot, but given such a common player base to what MacT had, the combinations and roles players are being asked to play already show a very different flavor. This was a team widely regarded as a challenger to the NW Division title prior to last season, be interesting to see if they can deliver on those aspirations this season.


Gagne could have a breakout season, assuming he gets off that 4th line.

Travis 09-30-2009 02:09 PM

A lot of people have been high on Gagner since he came in, I'm just waiting to see it myself. I'm just as reserved about Eberle (at least in regards to his label as a sniper, not his skating/ability to create plays) right now.

I really do hope that Gagner flourishes and it will hopefully help that while there is pressure on the team, he's not necessarily being as pressured to be the catalyst that he seemed to be a season or two ago. He's had some good stretches but right now still is a perimeter player and really needs to learn how to cut to the middle of the offensive zone a lot better and be willing to do so. He also needs to trust his abilities a bit more as one of his big down falls seems to be second guessing/pausing a bit too much with the puck at times before pulling the trigger. Given the other skill options on the team right now, he'll have a chance to work through his issues, and it'll be interesting to see how many PP chances he gets to do that when there are so many other options.

Honolulu_Blue 09-30-2009 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis (Post 2130534)
So when Pat Quinn was brought in as the Oilers coach, I think a lot of the fans were hoping for change. Now I never hid the fact that I thought MacT's time here was done quite a while ago, but I do appreciate the poetic justice that leaves Quinn with largely the same player group to utilize this season so that there may be some insight gained into how much of the blame should fall on the (former) coach, the players and/or the front office.

That said, back to the changes. I had hoped we might start the season with Horcoff on the 3rd line in 5 on 5 situations, plugged into a defensive role, logging a ton of PK time and taking important defensive zone face offs, never to be heard of on the PP. Now how he'll be used on special teams is still up for debate, but he'll start the season as the #1 center skating on a line with Hemsky and JF Jacques who has excelled as a scorer in the minors but failed miserably as a 4th line banger any time MacT brought him up.

Instead, we see another MacT favorite demoted from the 2nd line to the 4th (at least to start the season) in Sam Gagner. Obviously things can change by the time the puck is dropped but he is currently slated to skate on a line with Zach "the fighter formerly known as Huggybear" Stortini and the captain, Ethan Moreau. How he'll take to this demotion and how he'll evolve his game given that his line mates aren't exactly known for the offensive prowess, who knows.

Other changes, well, Gilbert Brule cracks the lineup as does Ryan Stone. Robert Nilsson is on the outside looking in while Fernando Pisani is likely going to be on the IR for quite some time. Andrew Cogliano has been ousted from the center position and will roam on the wing while the one real new addition up front, Mike Comrie, will play on a line with Dustin Penner and Patrick O'Sullivan.

It's going to be an interesting start to the season in Edmonton. I'm assuming there'll be some line blending and adjusting of roles depending on who starts hot, but given such a common player base to what MacT had, the combinations and roles players are being asked to play already show a very different flavor. This was a team widely regarded as a challenger to the NW Division title prior to last season, be interesting to see if they can deliver on those aspirations this season.


The strength of the Oilers will have to be their defense and goaltending. I think Khabibuhlin will have to play very well for the team to be successful. Based on past experience, that is a risky proposition.

While the forward ranks are pretty solid and balance, there's really no line or even player that would really scare me if I was the opposition. I can see the wisdom in spreading the talent over all four lines, since there is no one line to shut down, but the flipside of that is that other than a line getting hot here and there there is no line that really looks like it can generate goals on a consistent basis. After Hemsky is there any forward who would be considered a first line forward on any of last year's playoff teams? I'm not sure. I really haven't seen too much out of most of these guys, so it will be interesting to see how it all comes to together, especially under the new coaching regime.

johnnyshaka 09-30-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2130592)
After Hemsky is there any forward who would be considered a first line forward on any of last year's playoff teams? I'm not sure. I really haven't seen too much out of most of these guys, so it will be interesting to see how it all comes to together, especially under the new coaching regime.


I think that's why Quinn has taken the approach he's taken..."we don't have a real first line but we've got three 2nd lines, instead." A little unorthodox but I guess he's just trying to make his brand of lemonade out of the lemons he's been given. We'll see how it tastes.

Honolulu_Blue 09-30-2009 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka (Post 2130600)
I think that's why Quinn has taken the approach he's taken..."we don't have a real first line but we've got three 2nd lines, instead." A little unorthodox but I guess he's just trying to make his brand of lemonade out of the lemons he's been given. We'll see how it tastes.


Yeah, I guess you have to do something. The Oilers lack a truly deadly offensive forward and don't really seem to have that many really good defensive forwards either. So, they can't form a potent scoring line or a good shutdown line, so they are making 4 lines that can kinda-sorta do a little bit of both.

I guess the plan is to try and nibble teams to death. Interesting...

RomaGoth 09-30-2009 02:54 PM

It seems like the Oilers have had this type of team for a long, long time now. A lot of young talent, most of which doesn't really turn into what they were hoping for, and subsequently they are a perennial middle of the pack team. I think they need a different approach, just not sure Quinn is the answer.

Travis 09-30-2009 03:03 PM

I think the plan is to play an up tempo style to wear teams down and force mistakes. There is a ton of skill in the lineup (Hemsky, Gagner, Comrie, O'Sullivan, Brule, Penner, Cogliano) up front and as I've discussed with John, I really believe the biggest thing they need up front this year is to out skate the opposition. Draw penalties instead of taking the lazy one's that have plagued them over the past few years (slashes and hooking calls). Their PP has the players to be top 10, may not end up there, but the potential is there. Not sure if you can say the same about the PK so just best to avoid having that unit out there as much as possible.

They need to turn every game into a 60 minute battle for puck possession and just not give their opposition a chance to breath. There are a lot of young guys fighting for promotions (Cogs, Gagner, Brule), guys a bit older who are fighting to prove them belong in the NHL (Brule again, Stone, Jacques) and hopefully a few out to prove that last season wasn't a true reflection of their abilities (Penner, Moreau, Gagner). If Quinn can cultivate that hunger and find some guys who work well together, a true top line will emerge by the end of the season.

And HB, I fully agree with your diagnosis above in regards to the Oilers pushing for 8th place and a playoff spot. If they want to contend for home ice and the NW title, they absolutely need some of these forwards to take that next step and for very few of them to experience any form of regression. That said, I do like the insurance policy they have for Khabibulin. Deslauriers looked great early last season when he was getting something closer to regular playing time. Hopefully this year he won't get forgotten about for months at a time again.

Suburban Rhythm 09-30-2009 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 2130538)
SR - I read that Carle was going to be on the top pairing with Pronger. I hope that's the case seeing as I just drafted him in the Fantasy thread for that very reason.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2130566)
Carle as been playing along side Pronger all preseason.


I'll defer to the Dr on this one.

But, to me...doesn't make very much sense. Is Parent the guy on the 3rd pair now? With Timo and Coburn the other pair?

Seems to me like they are trying to spread these guys out to have a solid player on every pair, rather than two really good pairs and a 3rd pairing that will only get 12-14 mins a game.

Why not pair Parent with Pronger, Timo and Coburn, Carle and ??? (Tollefson? Syvret?), and those top two pairs play 22-24 mins a piece, Carle sees time on the PP, and the 3rd pair takes about 10 shifts together the entire game.

bhlloy 09-30-2009 06:51 PM

Because then I'd have completely wasted a fantasy pick on a defenseman that I didn't really need?

Seriously, has Carle really fallen off so much that he's considered a third pairing guy now? There was a time with SJ when he was really highly regarded IIRC and he's the perfect type of player to pair with Pronger.

Pyser 09-30-2009 07:45 PM

i guess this is just for directv people, but i read a tip that they were giving good deal to anyone calling to complain about the lack of versus this year

its true. they gave me center ice for free this year. i spoke to the retention department.

boberot 09-30-2009 07:46 PM

Sabres pretty much stand pat after two disappointing seasons.

Gotta hope the young'uns step up and some of the vets stay healthy and return to the form many of them had three years ago.

Fans will be calling for somebody's head if they don't hit the postseason this year.

RomaGoth 09-30-2009 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyser (Post 2130841)
i guess this is just for directv people, but i read a tip that they were giving good deal to anyone calling to complain about the lack of versus this year

its true. they gave me center ice for free this year. i spoke to the retention department.


Wow, nice. Way to step up DirectTv!

Balldog 09-30-2009 07:52 PM

Might have to give these bozos a call.

Dr. Sak 09-30-2009 10:03 PM

I see Sbisa made the Ducks roster. He's gonna be a good one.

NoSkillz 09-30-2009 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boberot (Post 2130842)
Sabres pretty much stand pat after two disappointing seasons.

Gotta hope the young'uns step up and some of the vets stay healthy and return to the form many of them had three years ago.

Fans will be calling for somebody's head if they don't hit the postseason this year.


I just hope Tyler Myers gets a real shot at sticking with the club. Gosh, outside of Brian Campbell (who was a mid-round pick), the Sabres haven't had a defenseman they drafted this highly-touted since Phil Housley. And that's over 25 years ago!

I think the Sabres will surprise some pundits this year, many of whom seem to think that inactivity in free agency equals doom in the regular season. As we've seen over the years from teams like the Rangers and the Leafs, overpaying players past their prime isn't a recipe for success. I mean *really*, is Jeff Finger that much better than Ian White?

I see them once again fighting for one of the last three playoff spots. I think they have a ceiling of second in the division, with Boston seemingly the class of the Northeast. Toronto is much improved and scare me much more than the Montreal midgets and the Sens but only if the Leafs brass finally admit that Toskala is just another in the long line of goaltending busts for the club.

That all said, an injury to Ryan Miller would be catastrophic...Patick Lalime is not an NHL quality keeper anymore. I very much worry about the backup goaltending situation. Keeping Tim Connolly healthy is also of utmost importance, although the emergence of Buffalo native Tim Kennedy is a positive development. Kennedy made the team out of camp but will have to score points early and often if he intends to stick.

The Sabres have the makings of two quality scoring lines with Thomas Vanek, Derek Roy, Drew Stafford, Connolly and Jason Pominville in the top six. Clarke MacArthur is currently the second line left winger after a great training camp but he'll need to be much more consistent if he intends to maintain that lofty status. Kennedy or mighty midget Nathan Gerbe, who was just sent down to the AHL after winning the rookie of the year in that league last year, can step into top six roles if necessary.

The checking line is excellent: Jochen Hecht (who had a horrific year last year but is in a much better role as a third liner in 09/10), Paul Gaustad and Mike 'Stonehands' Grier should be a great shutdown trio although I'm sure I'll be screaming at Grier all year for missing empty net after empty net.

The fourth line is full of energy and pests, with overacheiver Matt Ellis centering Adam Mair (when healthy) and Patrick Kaleta (perhaps one of the most hated players in the league).

The defense is a question mark - who will quarterback the powerplay after the departure of Jaro Spacek? Likely sophomore Chris Butler, who impressed in a half season as a rookie. Craig Rivet, newcomer Steve Montador and Myers will likely get time as well early in the season. Henrik Tallinder, who two years ago likely was the best d-man on the team, will have to fight to keep a spot in the lineup...he had a rotten camp and is coming off a bad season.

If I were a betting man, and I am, I'd bet on the Sabres finishing around 8th and making the postseason but again, they need to keep Miller healthy AND get wins out of Lalime when he plays, especially in an Olympic year when Miller will need a bit of rest.

boberot 10-01-2009 07:58 AM

Great summary, 'Skillz.

I really see the second line and the D being all important this year. This is the first time in a long time I've come into a season not really having much idea of what to expect out of the blueliners. The second line guys -- Staff, Timmy, Mac -- all have something to prove this year. If they all live up to their upside [and stay healthy], then we can be pretty dangerous.

I like the extra grit and leadership this year -- that alone might pay dividends.

Elsewhere in the division, I totally agree that Toronto is becoming a more scary prospect than Montreal and that we're all looking up at Boston, but I wouldn't be shocked if Ottawa has a bounce-back year. I think Leclair has the skills to be a very solid G.

Honolulu_Blue 10-01-2009 10:35 AM

I am looking forward to the Toronto/Montreal game tonight. Not only do I enjoy the rivalry, but the match up between the big, truculent Leafs and the wee, little Canadiens is something that I've really been interested in watching. Montreal's big, vegan-yogi tough guy could really have his hands full.

Sublime 2 10-01-2009 10:38 AM

Go Go Black & Gold!

I'm wicked excited for the season. I don't see the B's ending the season first in the east again, but no lower than fourth either. I think Thomas will fall a little back to Earth, and the offense will sputter a bit. But overall I think this team is better suited for the playoffs than lat year's version.

Dr. Sak 10-01-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm (Post 2130776)
I'll defer to the Dr on this one.

But, to me...doesn't make very much sense. Is Parent the guy on the 3rd pair now? With Timo and Coburn the other pair?

Seems to me like they are trying to spread these guys out to have a solid player on every pair, rather than two really good pairs and a 3rd pairing that will only get 12-14 mins a game.

Why not pair Parent with Pronger, Timo and Coburn, Carle and ??? (Tollefson? Syvret?), and those top two pairs play 22-24 mins a piece, Carle sees time on the PP, and the 3rd pair takes about 10 shifts together the entire game.


When have the Flyers done anything that has made sense?

Pumpy Tudors 10-01-2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NoSkillz (Post 2130998)
The fourth line is full of energy and pests, with overacheiver Matt Ellis centering Adam Mair (when healthy) and Patrick Kaleta (perhaps one of the most hated players in the league).

No real comment about the Sabres, but this makes me think of how Patrick Kaleta's NHL career started. His very first game was that comic experience against Ottawa a couple of years ago, the game where the Senators sent out Spezza, Comrie, and Heatley, and then Lindy Ruff countered with his tough guys. Kaleta is the guy who was matched up with Heatley at the faceoff, right before Heatley ran like a girl. That's what I'll always remember about Patrick Kaleta.

Draft Dodger 10-01-2009 10:52 AM

the Avs are retiring Joe Sakic's jersey tonight.

NoSkillz 10-01-2009 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2131289)
No real comment about the Sabres, but this makes me think of how Patrick Kaleta's NHL career started. His very first game was that comic experience against Ottawa a couple of years ago, the game where the Senators sent out Spezza, Comrie, and Heatley, and then Lindy Ruff countered with his tough guys. Kaleta is the guy who was matched up with Heatley at the faceoff, right before Heatley ran like a girl. That's what I'll always remember about Patrick Kaleta.


Ahhh, that brings back fond memories! I was at that game and it was right after Chris Neil knocked the crap out of Chris Drury with a cheapshot hit. Drew Stafford (a rookie that year) went after Neil then Ruff sent out Peters, Mair and Kaleta against the Spezza line.

Heatley was skating for his life as Spezza took a beating from Mair then of course, the goalies got into it before Peters and Ray Emery went toe to toe.

I think the Sabres finished the game with 13 skaters but won the game 6-5 or something. One of the greatest games I've seen in person...that building was ROCKING that night.

Chief Rum 10-01-2009 11:23 AM

Is that the one where Emery was wierdly smiling as he got into the fight?

Whatever fight that was, that's when I knew Emery wasn't all there. :)

Dr. Sak 10-01-2009 11:41 AM

Here are the Flyers Line combos to start the season:

Gagne-Richards-Pyorala
Hartnell-Carter-Briere
JVR-Powe-Giroux
Dan Carcillo-Blair Betts-IIan Laperriere.

Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Coburn
Parent-Syvret

bbor 10-01-2009 11:44 AM

Woohoo Briere on RW....that helps my pool team big time :)

NoSkillz 10-01-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2131305)
Is that the one where Emery was wierdly smiling as he got into the fight?

Whatever fight that was, that's when I knew Emery wasn't all there. :)


Yup, that was the one. He dispatched poor Marty Biron in about three seconds then Peters said "how about you try someone your own size?". Emery, who likes to box on the side, was more than willing to accommodate. :)

Dr. Sak 10-01-2009 01:09 PM

I'm hearing that Shanny has left the Devils and will retire.

RomaGoth 10-01-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2131374)
I'm hearing that Shanny has left the Devils and will retire.


He just signed with them less than a month ago, didn't he? I wonder if he has a problem with Lemaire....

Dr. Sak 10-01-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2131377)
He just signed with them less than a month ago, didn't he? I wonder if he has a problem with Lemaire....


They had an agreement before the season that if he wasn't on the top 3 lines, he would walk away.

JPhillips 10-01-2009 02:03 PM

Love this Nylander cartoon.


bbor 10-01-2009 02:26 PM

4.5 hours till puck drop...woohoo!

samifan24 10-01-2009 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime 2 (Post 2131276)
Go Go Black & Gold!

I'm wicked excited for the season. I don't see the B's ending the season first in the east again, but no lower than fourth either. I think Thomas will fall a little back to Earth, and the offense will sputter a bit. But overall I think this team is better suited for the playoffs than lat year's version.


Really? I'm not sure I agree. As much as I didn't like his attitude Kessel was still a very good goal scorer and, although Sturm is a good player he is injury prone and is hardly a sure thing. I think in order for the Bruins to really step it up they will need guys like Sturm and Derek Morris to play very well and Wheeler to put in a full season's worth of production. I think this year's team will experience an inevitable dropoff from last year's team, especially in the scoring department, and so I'm not sure I see them as being better suited for a playoff run. Still I hope they prove the ESPN analysts wrong: every analyst chose Boston to win their division but not even advance to the Eastern Conference finals.

DeToxRox 10-01-2009 07:50 PM

Halfway through the first in Toronto and there have been 2 fights.

And Gionta just buries one seconds after a Komisarek penalty.

DeToxRox 10-01-2009 07:55 PM

And Toronto ties it up on a nice forecheck from Hagman. He gets it out to Ponikarovsky who buries it from the slot.

bbor 10-01-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2131853)
Halfway through the first in Montreal and there have been 2 fights.

And Gionta just buries one seconds after a Komisarek penalty.


You mean in Toronto :)

DeToxRox 10-01-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2131861)
You mean in Toronto :)


Ha yes. I have to edit. I blame it on Brian Burke though.

bbor 10-01-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2131864)
Ha yes. I have to edit. I blame it on Brian Burke though.


Don't make him get truculant on your ass.

DeToxRox 10-01-2009 09:46 PM

Another dumb Komisarek penalty leads to a Montreal PPG to tie it up with 4 minutes left.

RomaGoth 10-01-2009 11:40 PM

After watching parts of three games tonight (haven't watched the Calgary/Vancouver game), I have a few thoughts.

1. Toronto looked rather slow and out of sync, and Montreal was all over the ice, yet the Leafs severely outshot them. Not sure how that happened exactly.

2. Nabakov looks terrible for the Sharks. Just terrible.

3. Tim Thomas also did not look very good.

4. Ovechkin leads the league in goals and probably will all season.

So far, the goaltending has looked quite ordinary, even outright bad in some instances. I am looking for it to stabilize as the season wears on. Hopefully.

bbor 10-01-2009 11:49 PM

So far, the goaltending has looked quite ordinary, even outright bad in some instances. I am looking for it to stabilize as the season wears on. Hopefully

And Osgood has'nt even played yet :D

RomaGoth 10-01-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2132032)
So far, the goaltending has looked quite ordinary, even outright bad in some instances. I am looking for it to stabilize as the season wears on. Hopefully

And Osgood has'nt even played yet :D


Yeah, I was thinking about that as I typed it. Nabakov, Luongo, Kiprusoff, all look awful. Maybe this is Osgood's year to win the Vezina. :D

Draft Dodger 10-01-2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2132032)
So far, the goaltending has looked quite ordinary, even outright bad in some instances. I am looking for it to stabilize as the season wears on. Hopefully

And Osgood has'nt even played yet :D


Emery either

bbor 10-02-2009 12:23 PM

I get the award for teh first major injury to my fantasy team as Andrei Markov is out for 2 to 3 months......I knew i should never have drafted an f'n Hab.

RomaGoth 10-02-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2132443)
I get the award for teh first major injury to my fantasy team as Andrei Markov is out for 2 to 3 months......I knew i should never have drafted an f'n Hab.


That sucks. Kessel is out for me until November, but that pales in comparison to your situation.

Dr. Sak 10-02-2009 12:29 PM

I gotta admit the crowd singing O' Canada at the start of the Toronto/Montreal game gave me goose bumps. Really cool!

Pumpy Tudors 10-02-2009 12:36 PM

So I didn't get to watch a LOT of hockey last night, but what's the deal with this Gionta guy for Montreal? He actually scored a goal? It seems like ages since I saw a guy named Gionta score a goal. So confusing.

In other news, I hear that Lemaire flipped a coin to decide who'd play wing on the second line in New Jersey. My wife won the coin toss, so Shanahan left. Wifey will be wearing #44 in honor of Mike Peluso's hair tomorrow night. I predict that she'll score 3 goals this season, which should put her third on the team behind Parise and Brodeur.

Go Devils.

RomaGoth 10-02-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2132462)
So I didn't get to watch a LOT of hockey last night, but what's the deal with this Gionta guy for Montreal? He actually scored a goal? It seems like ages since I saw a guy named Gionta score a goal. So confusing.

In other news, I hear that Lemaire flipped a coin to decide who'd play wing on the second line in New Jersey. My wife won the coin toss, so Shanahan left. Wifey will be wearing #44 in honor of Mike Peluso's hair tomorrow night. I predict that she'll score 3 goals this season, which should put her third on the team behind Parise and Brodeur.

Go Devils.


You never disappoint, Pumpy.

Pumpy Tudors 10-02-2009 12:42 PM

While I'm in this thread, I'd like to borrow bbor's toothbrush for about an hour.

bbor 10-02-2009 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2132462)
So I didn't get to watch a LOT of hockey last night, but what's the deal with this Gionta guy for Montreal? He actually scored a goal? It seems like ages since I saw a guy named Gionta score a goal. So confusing.

In other news, I hear that Lemaire flipped a coin to decide who'd play wing on the second line in New Jersey. My wife won the coin toss, so Shanahan left. Wifey will be wearing #44 in honor of Mike Peluso's hair tomorrow night. I predict that she'll score 3 goals this season, which should put her third on the team behind Parise and Brodeur.

Go Devils.


LOL

bbor 10-02-2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2132471)
While I'm in this thread, I'd like to borrow bbor's toothbrush for about an hour.


hmmm.....
It is a 'Reach" toothbrush:D

Pumpy Tudors 10-02-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2132475)
hmmm.....
It is a 'Reach" toothbrush:D

I've got the Nerf football ready to go.

DeToxRox 10-02-2009 03:05 PM

Bad news for the Hab. Andrei Markov is out 4 months with a lacerated tendon in his ankle.

RomaGoth 10-02-2009 03:06 PM

Blackhawks lose their first game in a shootout to Florida. I would be lying if I didn't admit that I like this.

DeToxRox 10-02-2009 04:37 PM

Osgood is pretty miserable, yeesh. Not all his fault as the D didn't do much to help him out so far but he has looked all out of sorts since the first preseason game.

RomaGoth 10-02-2009 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2132757)
Osgood is pretty miserable, yeesh. Not all his fault as the D didn't do much to help him out so far but he has looked all out of sorts since the first preseason game.


4 goals already, and they blew a 3-1 lead. Yikes. :(

Wolfpack 10-02-2009 10:28 PM

Carolina couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in a 2-0 loss at home to Philly tonight. Emery made some good saves for Philly, but we had so many badly-off-target shots it was laughable. 0-for-8 on the PP, too. At least that picked up where it left off in the playoffs.

RomaGoth 10-03-2009 03:20 PM

Cleary scores just 2 minutes in....hopefully today will have a better outcome.

DeToxRox 10-03-2009 03:26 PM

Cleary scores again, and it's 3-0.

EDIT: No goal.

RomaGoth 10-03-2009 04:27 PM

I know it's early, but this team just doesn't look like they have the same drive as in past seasons. Goaltending could be a problem too. *shrug*

JetsIn06 10-03-2009 05:57 PM

Pumped about the Coyotes-Kings game tonight!

Young Drachma 10-03-2009 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06 (Post 2133556)
Pumped about the Coyotes-Kings game tonight!


Are you a Yotes fan because they "used" to be the Jets? ;)

JetsIn06 10-03-2009 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 2133657)
Are you a Yotes fan because they "used" to be the Jets? ;)


Haha....that does reinforce my fan-hood, but it's mostly because I randomly decided to play as them way back in NHL98 for the PC. I kept playing as them each year because I knew the players.

To be completely honest though, this year is my first real attempt to follow the NHL. I've always loved hockey. I played it as a kid, but I've never really followed a team before and I thought I'd start now.

bbor 10-03-2009 08:09 PM

Monster in for the Leafs....Toskula pulled.

JonInMiddleGA 10-03-2009 08:32 PM

4-1 Thrashers over Tampa late in the 2nd period. 10 different players with at least 1 point for Atlanta, including goals from two D-men.


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