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Anybody have any ideas on a decent TV station to watch for election coverage? I've been flipping back and forth between Fox and CNN and am getting tired of the Fox all McCain all the time reporting and the CNN all Obama all the time reporting. Does anyone report more from the middle?
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I've been watching msnbc myself. I don't know if they are the most neutral station, but they at least irritate me less than fox (right leaning) and cnn (left leaning) seem to. |
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Seems worth a shot to me. |
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Good lord. |
MSNBC as the moderate station-lofl.
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Anyone know of any sites or blogs that are leaking exit poll results during the day?
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Umm. :confused: Seriously? |
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+1 Just got back from voting. My place was empty, just me and one other guy. I asked and they said it was like that all morning. I guess I live in an area of apathy. |
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Down Goes Brown |
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I go with MSNBC. Fox is a joke, CNN is so afraid of being called biased that they walk on eggshells and just let the surrogates on both sides say anything without being challenged, plus the constant schilling for Hillary during the primaries grew tiresome. |
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I think they must have gotten over that. They have spent the past few hours talking to every black voter they can find asking how wonderful it is that they can vote for Obama. That and they let their Colorado correspondent call the state for Obama already. |
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Agreed. I watched it over lunch and it might as well have been coverage of a coronation. As you mentioned, the interviews at the polling places were making me wonder if a single white person even bothered to vote today. Every single person interviewed was African-American for 45 minutes. |
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+1 They're not unbiased as Alan says, but I can deal with their pundits better than any of the others hands down. I just mute when I get tired of listening. I think it's because unlike the others, they actually have a deep bench of people who are actually trained at journalists and so, they tend to be a bit more evenhanded. FOX and CNN are almost entirely filled with wonks who simply have a showpony journalist as a referee. It's a far cry from the days of Bernard Shaw. |
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Brown Goes Down? I heard about that one on the New York Times website. It has to be good. |
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Well, turnout is reported lighter than expected today in some traditional (R) precincts around Atlanta. If that holds up all day, Chambliss may end up hoping he can even get to a runoff. |
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WOOOOOOT! Not that I like Jim Martin, but a Chambliss loss would at least get things moving in the right direction. |
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In the words of Lee Corso ... Not so fast there my friend. If Chambliss gets to a runoff he'll win, won't be enough turnout from the Obamites to give it to Martin. But at this point turnout may prevent it from going that far. |
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MSNBC as unbiased is a stretch, but I will be tuned into them for analysis tonight when possible. |
I definitely think Martin loses a runoff. Martin just has to hit 50.1 or something. Otherwise, 6 more years of a do-nothing senator.
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Well, I've been flipping between news channels, and although I dislike FoxNews, I thought it was interesting that they found some Black Panthers outside of polling places in Penn. Some guy got a camera phone vid of them with a nightstick, and "intimidating". Weird.
I'm sure the same thing has happened in reverse in the past. |
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That may be true, but remember that 35% of registered voters in Georgia voted before today in early voting. So any projections based exclusively on what is seen today are likely to be misleading. |
I'm pretty sure Alan T didn't call MSNBC unbiased or neutral, just that they didn't annoy him as much as FOX & CNN.
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Reading comprehension, people! :D |
So I have a question, I'm not well versed on politics and if this came up here before I apologize.
The Wall Street Journal had a poll that showed 90% of black people supported Obama. Is there a sentiment that Obama may win the election based solely on the color of his skin and not on the issues at hand. Also, are alot of black people voting who otherwise wouldn't have voted just because there is a black candidate to vote for? |
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Going entirely by recollection (so anyone can feel free to correct me with actual facts): Obama can't win the election solely on the backs of the black vote. However, given that the black vote historically has some low turnout, a successful GOTV operation by Obama for blacks and young people should have a significant overall effect. |
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Nothing is unbiased or neutral. He was suggesting that MS-NBC was less biased which is laughable. |
Excuse me for asking, but... CNN is considered 'left leaning'?
I'm only familiar with their 'International' brand, but I always felt that part is 'right leaning'. |
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What is considered "Left leaning" in the US would be considered crazy conservative right by a couple Canadians and Euros that I talk to consistently :D |
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That's probably true--similar to how many Europeans perceive the US Democratic Party to be fairly conservative, especially when compared to the left-leaning political parties in Europe. For what it's worth, I do enjoy CNN International when I'm abroad since, as opposed to the US version of CNN, there is still actual news content on the international version. |
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Yes, but his statement also indicated that CNN annoyed him due to it's left leaning reporting. CNN is middle ground compared to MSNBC. If CNN's left annoys him, MSNBC's left should drive him to suicide. |
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Or not, at least in terms of turnout & impact. Consider this A Republican-oriented number cruncher offered this look at early voting, which points to the problem the GOP may face tonight: In 2004, white Georgians made up 71 percent of the vote. African-Americans made up 25 percent. That’s a 46 point gap. Even so, the spread between George Bush (58 percent) and John Kerry (41 percent) was only 17 points. In early voting this year, white voters made up 60 percent of the electorate. African-Americans made up 35 percent. The 46 point spread of 2004 has been reduced to 25 points. And that reduction erases 2004 margin between Bush and Kerry. And polling by Public Policy Polling showed Obama leading the early voting 52-47 (with McCain leading remaining likely voters 54-43). If turnout were to be significantly lighter than expected, McCain may not even hold Georgia. |
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In the U.S, CNN jokingly has the nickname 'Clinton News Network' due to its left-leaning reporting. |
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Blacks vote Democrat at those rates even if the candidate is white. Obama's support among blacks and young americans is solely borne out of his own merit of convincing them he's someone worth voting for. Or you know, no more likely to be biased in the same manner that white folks who don't have to answer why they voted McCain might be doing so. |
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LOL. Your point about the percentage of blacks voting (D) is well taken ... but it fails to take into account those who don't normally vote but did this year. |
MSNBC is definitely the most liberal -- and is my station of choice. :) CNN is my fallback position if something uninteresting is on MSNBC.
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Gee, didn't know this was going to be one of my biggest controversial comments of the day. I personally am fairly moderate and it is pretty tough finding a station that has no slant ever. Most of the stations in my mind lean left (as I feel msnbc does somewhat).. but it annoys me far less than CNN or FOX both of which seem to have horrible slants to them. Even though msnbc seems to lean left in my mind, they still have had quite a large amount of positive McCain coverage and comments all day today.. I haven't found a station that is more moderate to my liking yet.. (and no Fox is not it.. they are just as bad as CNN but in the opposite direction) |
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Sounds plausible, guys. Nothing shocking compared to what 'America correspondents' usually claim.
Any ideas when first reasonable results/predictions can be expected? |
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Speaking only about today and not historically...this isn't laughable. I am already seeing more analysis on both candidates and lots of gushing about McCain's recent speech. MSNBC in less than an hour has done more work from the middle than CNN did in the 4ish hours I had them on. |
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Well, isn't that the main purpose of all of this campaigning that's been going on? To mobilize your base and get people who you think will vote for you to the polls? |
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GOTV effort + momentum. All Obama and the work they've done to get those people to come out and vote for them when they haven't/didn't/wouldn't in past races. |
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and I guess thats my question. Is there a signifigantly higher number of blacks voting Obama for no other reason then the color of his skin? Blacks who ordinarily wouldn't have voted at all. And if that is the case, do people find that disturbing. |
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Didn't say there was anything "wrong" with it or whatever. Just saying that a claim that there isn't a significant role played by Obama's race with black voters is so laughable that it boggles the mind. |
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:confused: Hadn't heard that one before. Would that make FOX = Fascists on Xtascy? |
Saying that back people are voting for Obama solely because he's black has about as much truth in it as saying that people are solely voting for McCain because they are racist. I'm sure there are some folks on the fringe who are voting this way, but there are folks on the fringe who do a lot of weird things.
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I'll bite. No more disturbing than say, the legions of whites who'll vote for McCain because he represents all that is great and decent about this country. (read: he's white) |
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Yeah.. I really am scratching my head reading replies from people to my comments. I really have a difficult time trying to understand when people are saying things they actually believe and when they just have an agenda they are pushing. You asked for opinions and I gave mine.. so far I've had MSNBC on for several hours today and haven't been driven to change it because of it driving me crazy. For the most part all day, it has been fairly equal point and counter point with both sides fairly well represented. Maybe some of MSNBC's political commentators that give their opinions on issues are far left, but they haven't been on much at all today and it has mostly been various members of Democrat or Republican sides giving talking points as well as news coverage. |
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Never underestimate the stupidity of an average voter. |
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... is nothing but the unvarnished truth for those who wouldn't have otherwise voted. |
Any ideas about when early voting ballots will be counted? Have they already been counted in most states, and that data will be available after poll closing? Or will they be counted last, or in concert with the other results in most areas? Just wondering how soon we will know exactly how early voting went in those states that have it.
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Seriously? Even my 10 year old knows that monicker and it's not even one I use often enough for him to pick up on it from me. |
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I resent the "I'll bite" comment. I think I was clear I was curious about peoples opinions. I'm not looking to bait anyone into any kind of argument. |
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My wife takes a different approach. She watches Fox to get the right leaning slant and MSNBC to get the left leaning slant so she can see things from both polarized viewpoints (she doesn't care for CNN). |
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Keep to yourself next time....Stupid Mets fan ;) |
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I think the procedure is typically done concurrent or afterwards. And in some cases is determined by whether it's part of "early voting" versus "absentee voting" (both took place here in Georgia for example, not sure about procedures in other states). |
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I've worked elections. People like that aren't exclusive to either party. Trust me. |
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I am not sure how anyone could after 2004... |
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lol, your probably correct. I hope DC forgives me for sticking my nose where he thinks it doesn't belong. |
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That would actually be the opposite of Communist News Network. |
the above was sarcasim
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But that is what I have THIS thread for! :) |
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That would be the best way to do it. The beautiful thing about American TV is that you can get bullshit from all over the spectrum and as long as the 8-1 ratio doesn't affect you, you get a much better picture of what's going on. |
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Come on! Everyone knows that Werewolves are all about biting! |
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Kurt Warner is in trouble, he scrambles and....oh....too slow. :) |
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That's exactly what I was thinking. |
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It was the way it was phrased that made me think it was aimed as a thiny veiled race bait. Of course, you're entitled to your views and everyone is too. Wasn't trying to attack you for asking a question or anything. |
If I was a black guy, I'd definitely be leaning towards black candidates, rooting for black coaches, rooting for black actors to win academy awards, etc.
It's pretty laughable when this kind of thing is denied or questioned, though it's coming out more in the mainstream now. I don't understand the EXTREMES of it, but I appreciate the honestly. Chris Rock said something once about being a fan of the National league and hating the American league only because the former was much faster on integration. That to me, as a white guy, seems like a ridiculous opinion to have in 2008 when anybody who made integration happen or not happen is long gone, but I found his view interesting, and a guy's feelings on something aren't wrong, they're just his feelings. |
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In the past I have been very unimpressed with MSNBC. I like to think of myself as mostly in the middle with a right lean, and I have easily found MSNBC to be least objectionable of the main 3 so far. |
Tucker Carlson with an interesting article on how Romney has set up the ground work for a run in 2012:
Romney's Game Plan - The Daily Beast Seems like he thinks that right now it's going to be Romney vs. Palin as the big matchup in the primaries. But there is always someone you don't expect. |
I'd be shocked if Palin was a real contender.
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get over yourself then. Originaly I was being sarcastic but now I am offended ( as offended as one can be on an internet message board). Go through my 17K posts and find me one that even shows a borderline hint of racisim. That the kind of shit that pisses me off ( as pissed off as you can get on an internet message board). Excuse me for being a white person wanting to have an adult discussion about a black persons motivations. |
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Vermont will probably be the first state called this year shortly after 7 pm EST. I think there's a decent chance that shortly after the polls close in California, Washington, and Oregon at 11 pm EST, Obama could exceed 270 electoral votes called for him. |
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I think the nature of the thread is such that makes it touchy. Not because people can't think what they want. I think more because it so quickly devolves into absurdity rather than say, substantive discussions about very real topics/issues/things. I misread what you said and apologize. |
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(Insert joke about the disturbing number of times the word "lynch" appears in Lathum's 17,000 posts.) |
I didn't tip toe around anything, thats why I got annoyed.
And there was no point. It was a question, not a statement. |
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I actualy laughed out loud. |
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I would be too, as I think she lacks what it takes to stay in that position for four years versus a contrasting Romney & a similar but much more skilled politician in Huckabee. But (relating back to the discussion of her impact earlier), polling released yesterday shows her as being the most popular of the four current candidates (P + VP) here in Georgia with the best margin of "favorable" vs "unfavorable" of the whole group. Palin 49 favorable/39 unfavorable (+10%) Obama 49/40 (+9%) McCain 48/40 (+8%) Biden 44/41 (+3%) For comparison, same poll had McCain/Palin winning today with 50%, Obama/Biden 46%, Barr/Root 1%, Undecided 3% Same group had figures for -- Ohio, where Palin's 47/42 rivaled McCain's 48/44, and Obama's 48/43, -- Florida where she was more popular than McCain 47/41 vs 48/43, -- Pennsylvania Palin 47/40 vs McCain 48/42 -- Wisconsin Palin 48/43 vs McCain 47/45 Like I said, I don't believe she sticks, but I can see why she's considered a contender at least for the time being. |
Awesomeness. |
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(p.s. And the times had it as "Goes Down Brown") |
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Shit I thought it was 2 girls 1 cup...good thing I waited to tell everyone. |
Those numbers don't look good for Saxby. He'll do well to avoid a runoff.
14. Do you approve or disapprove of Senator Saxby Chambliss' overall job performance? Approve 49% Disapprove 40% Undecided 11% 16. If the election for United States Senate were held today, whom would you vote for, Saxby Chambliss, the Republican, Jim Martin, the Democrat, or Allen Buckley, the Libertarian? Saxby Chambliss 48% Jim Martin 44% Allen Buckley 4% Undecided 4% |
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What really gets the right ticked at MSNBC is that they have Olbermann "as their face" who is most decidedly left and delights in taking pot shots at the right. And now they have Rachel Maddow on after him in primetime, and her show is basically a female version of his. The station got in hot water for letting Olbermann on some of the news coverage and he started editorializing so they got rid of him and Chris Matthews, calling them too opinionated for news broadcasts. EDIT: n/m- better to not post the 2 paragraphs I had here after this SI |
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It disturbs me if people are unrealistic about what Obama will be able to do if he wins. All of this talk about how an individual thinks life will be instantly better if he's in office is absolutely nuts. These people are the minority and on the fringe of the voting spectrum, just like the people who say Obama being elected will lead to the US being destroyed, but is still disheartening. |
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Was there anyone still expecting him to avoid a runoff? I thought that had been the foregone conclusion for at least 2-3 weeks. For him though, as discussed earlier, a runoff is almost as good as a win. Thing is, he's got to at least get enough turnout to get the runoff & that's at least looking iffy right now. It may come down to turnout in the rural counties & I don't know if there are enough votes there to make up for a (hypothetical) downturn in metro GOP areas. |
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You make an interesting point, but it is worth noting that Steele was actively campaigning for the African-American vote, certainly moreso than his Republican counterpart. There were two other races that year that featured similar racial breakdowns, but the difference in black support was much smaller... Ohio Blackwell - 20% Black DeWine - 15% Black Pennsylvania Swann - 13% Black Santorum - 10% Black |
The common wisdom is that if Virginia is called within the first hour or so after polls close, that it'll be pretty much over. Same with Pennsylvania.
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Like 4 years for things to drastically change in people's minds :D SI |
I guess I can see why some people got annoyed, although I do believe it wasn't intentional.
Imagine if the question was asked: "So Obama is going to win 90% of the black vote, 70% of the Hispanic vote, and 60% of the female vote. If McCain still wins, will people be annoyed that white males gave him the Presidency?" |
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And that supports my overall point that the effect of "black voters voting for a black candidate just because he's black" is not really that significant compared to "black voters voting for a democrat because democrats are more aligned on issues black voters care about". |
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Keith Olberman? That's the guy that was fired from ESPN right? He bashes Republicans now? Haha! What a loser! |
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As well as a host on NBC's sunday night football show, but who's counting. |
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Oh, and to answer the earlier question about why Obama won the black vote in the primaries, part of it was probably the fact that Hillary (with Bill's help) didn't really endear herself to African-Americans the way she ran her campaign.
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(and keeps beating O'Reilly in the 25-54 demographic for their time slot, but, again, who's counting) SI |
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Yeah, I didn't realize there was a Lib running so "strongly". What I noticed in those polls was the fact that he was only at 49-50%. The Incumbent Rule says undecideds typically break 3 or 4:1 for the challenger. Combined with the high early turnout (hypothetical for Obama) and what you say above, it's not a pretty picture. I wouldn't be so sure about Chambliss winning a runoff either. You'll have Obama literally travelling the state with Martin as well as millions of DNC money coming in, especially if it's the difference in 59 and 60. Odds haven't moved on Intrade yet. Both Obama and Martin in GA are still 30/70 underdogs. I bought into this when it was about 10 points lower a few weeks ago, but like I said in another thread this is good value as the race is a coinflip. |
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